I happened to look up 'energy density' earlier today, in the context of how the best battery/supercap technologies compare with petrol and diesel (not well). There's a quite interesting wiki page for anyone with a bit of time to kill.

Standout fact that's sadly a little/lot off topic...a ham and cheese sandwich has a bit more than half the energy content of a standard lead-acid car battery.

Surprising or what?!

I happened to look up 'energy density' earlier today, in the context of how the best battery/supercap technologies compare with petrol and diesel (not well). There's a quite interesting wiki page for anyone with a bit of time to kill.

Standout fact that's sadly a little/lot off topic...a ham and cheese sandwich has a bit more than half the energy content of a standard lead-acid car battery.

Surprising or what?!

On the basis of setting the sandwich on fire?..)))

The UK should look at manufacturing EV vehicles the way the £ has been going, we might be buyers.

 

We do.   A few weeks ago Nissan-Renault at Sunderland (the first town to signalled the many of the poorer Northern towns were going to vote Leave the EU) produced its 50,000 Leaf EV model.  Nissan-Renault workers at the Sunderland plant are paid in GBP so that element of the cost build up of the car would effectively lower but I believe that would be more than offset by components going in to the car would mainly be priced in Euros.   Euros is the main currency used in car produced in Europe even for those made in the UK so that element will rise with the big fall in the British pound against the Euro.

 

Visiting a Japanese Tier 1 Supplier today and even though they are Japanese they supply to the UK car makers, and other vehicle makers like agricultural/construction vehicle manufacturers in Euros so I expect we will discuss ways of saving money.  Nissan-Renault, as well as all the significant manufacturers, operate customs schemes such as Customs Warehousing and Inward Processing Relief, now combined with Processing under Customs Control too minimise currency shocks but it is more work for the likes of Consultants, International Logistics and UK Customs to administer.

 

The leaf has the new 30 KwAH battery packs and should continue to be a good seller though the styling is not to my liking and I much prefer the Zoe from the Nissan-Renault stable though clearly only the Teslas are currently the EV car capable of proper ranges with its 90 KwAH packs.    http://www.hybridcars.com/why-the-tesla-90d-battery-is-so-much-better/

 

A target of 5% range increase per year is not massively stretching and Mr Musk should get pretty close to that with all the pressure on progressing eco cars and phasing out cars with internal combustion engines, just wish they were cheaper, roll on Model 3.    

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On the basis of setting the sandwich on fire?..)))

 

Perhaps you have to fit a bio digestion system to the car to convert the sandwich chemical energy, Thunderpants anyone.

 

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Powerful batteries in land based vehicles are one thing but 12kms up is a bit of a worry to me.......fire in flight is too realistic

Tesla after 9 million kms and it's Australian infrastructure

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/568655AA40ED0804CA257FE8000FC0E9

Tesla roadster's 340 mile (540+km) range is more like it.

And U.S. range is more realistic too

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104981_tesla-roadster-3-0-340-mile-battery-upgrade-now-shipping

Tesla roadster's 340 mile (540+km) range is more like it.

And U.S. range is more realistic too

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104981_tesla-roadster-3-0-340-mile-battery-upgrade-now-shipping

 

Great it fits in the same space did I miss if they compared the weight?

 

I think it is conventional Lithium-ion cells and would come from the Dutch factory where much of the cells do for the Chevy and Ford's electric cars.  

 

Another step forward and a great example of where the same chassis can except a new power plant without junking much of the hardware, great for extending the life span of the car itself.    

I'd like to know what % of the curb weight the batteries represent .

I'd like to know what % of the curb weight the batteries represent .

 

In this Tesla I would expect between a third and a half but as everyone says it is low down in the floor and therefore there is an excellent low centre of gravity and therefore body roll is minimal.   Do not know how much super conductors it uses, if any, or if they were upgraded if there.   

One advantage of low weight apart from handling is that an excellent ride should be easily obtained.

Strategies to kill the electric car

http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/2016/04/04/who-holds-back-the-electric-car/

Strategies to kill the electric car

http://energydesk.greenpeace.org/2016/04/04/who-holds-back-the-electric-car/

 

 

Only the car is the front of the queue in the picture is pure EV and other is a non plug in hybrid and the Smart is pure IC is it not?

 

As with most things it is really down to individuals to drive the electric agenda as most governments, Norway being an exception, are too afraid to push this in fear or reparations from interested parties.

Really it's the electric motor.

And the web of lies

http://www.desmogblog.com/2016/07/12/top-tweets-web-of-denial-speech-blitz-us-senate

Great it fits in the same space did I miss if they compared the weight?

Tesla says its slighty heavier, but doesnt specify how much heavier.

Tesla (4WD) v V8 Supercar (2WD)

http://www.caradvice.com.au/386305/drag-race-model-s-p85d-v-v8-supercar-v-walkinshaw-w507/?utm_source=Taboola&utm_medium=CPC&utm_content=reuters-reuters&utm_campaign=Content%20Promotion%20Low%20Volume

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1104442_lapd-picks-bmw-i3-over-tesla-model-s-heres-why

 

 

 

^^^^ It would probably be the females who did the choosing ......it's not particularly macho.

^^^^ It would probably be the females who did the choosing ......it's not particularly macho.

Ohh don't go there. I think it was the ability to turn in a city street and park at an incident. Good for that whilst being low pollution. BMW have consistently sold cars at below cost to law enforcement to advertise their product.

^^^^I just can't see the gun-toters going for it though.......and some might get shot for laughing (((

European Alternative Fuel Observatory (EAFO)

Never heard of this organisation but covers everything from EV, PHEV, Fuel Cell, and NG, including infrastructure, vehicle sales and anything else related

http://www.eafo.eu/

As mentioned here

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1105033_european-electric-and-plug-in-hybrid-sales-for-jan-may-2016

VW's EV battery suppliers

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1104237_vw-to-make-big-electric-car-commitment-battery-factory-too

Solar recharge for "sun fuelled travel" now

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/BE1A1857EF96B2BFCA257FED0015B427

U.S. Fed funding guarantee for recharging infrastructure

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1105141_u-s-to-offer-4-5-billion-for-electric-car-charging-stations-via-doe-loan-guarantees

Hyundai Ionic sounds an alternative which an increasing number of drivers might pick?

 

http://www.fleetdrive-electric.com/blog/vehicle/hyundai-ioniq-lease-car/

 

Interesting one stop lease site it looks like.

 

 

 

Pricing yet to be confirmed.

The IONIQ will be the first car in the world to offer separate hybrid, full electric and plug in hybrid powertrains within one body type.

The 2017 Hyundai IONIQ will be available in 3 options;
a traditional petrol-electric hybrid, packing a 104-horsepower, 1.6-litre petrol engine mated to a 43-ish-horsepower electric motor and a 1.56-kWh battery offering a pure-electric driving mode, although range will be pretty limited.

the plug-in IONIQ hybrid, which relies on the same petrol engine as the regular hybrid, but the electric motor is more powerful (60-ish horsepower) and the battery is larger (8.9 kWh). Both the hybrid and the plug-in get the same 1.6-litre petrol engine with electric motor and six-speed dual clutch autobox, providing 139bhp and powering the IONIQ from 0-62mph in 10.8 seconds. Hyundai isn’t yet quoting MPG figures for the IONIQ, but it does reveal a CO2 figure of 79g/km: That’s 9g/km more than the entry-level Prius.

the IONIQ Electric, which ditches the petrol engine in favor of a 119bhp electric motor offering up to 174 miles on a charge, with an 80 per cent recharge function in 33 mins.

 

We are pleased to be able to provide contract hire and other lease products for the new 2017 Hyundai IONIQ hybrid and electric car range.

Pricing is yet to be announced for the full Hyundai IONIQ range but the Hybrid version will be available from October 2016 starting at £19,995 and the IONIQ Electric from £28,995. If you would like to receive further information when available please call 0330 303 2020.

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