We have five times as much oil and coal and gas on the books as climate scientists think is safe to burn. We'd have to keep 80 percent of those reserves locked away underground to avoid that fate. Before we knew those numbers, our fate had been likely. Now, barring some massive intervention, it seems certain.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/global-warmings-terrifying-new-math-20120719#ixzz48Vy3t4FW 
 

 

 

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This is where we should be

 

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/france/

 

Way to go France

 

 

As to the how.

 

Work closely with Électricité de France to get the 4 Nuc stations biult, cancel the waste of money Trident ICBM subs, job done.

Blimey; wait 'til a moderator sees this! You can't go just freely praising the French and not expect some serious action from the powers that be...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LOL

Blimey; wait 'til a moderator sees this! You can't go just freely praising the French and not expect some serious action from the powers that be...

LOL

 

Chacun voit midi à sa porte

 

 

 

 

 

It is good to place info in front of people but most people feel they are right, at least in the first place, but some might alter their opinion with more information.

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There is no interest in pumped hydro other than small scale peak demand smoothing.

 

Big clue; without a significant watershed feeding into the top reservoir (like the once proposed plan to convert the Loch Sloy scheme to pump storage) pump storage hydro isn't actually an electricity producer, just a battery.

Big clue; without a significant watershed feeding into the top reservoir (like the once proposed plan to convert the Loch Sloy scheme to pump storage) pump storage hydro isn't actually an electricity producer, just a battery.

For peak demand surely....like the one in Wales IIRC.

Big clue; without a significant watershed feeding into the top reservoir (like the once proposed plan to convert the Loch Sloy scheme to pump storage) pump storage hydro isn't actually an electricity producer, just a battery.

Yes I'm well aware of that. The Uk is a bit short of great lakes and mountain systems for a constant hydro power.

Pumped hydro ok for peaks but no good if we have no wind for days.

Last winter we had over two weeks with wind producing less than 1% of the UK's needs. In that situation solar, pumped hydro or tidal doesn't help. We had coal, gas and diesel trying to keep the lights on.

We are in the bizarre situation that Government tax systems and lower prices are forcing stations to close but now too many are closing and the Government has been forced into financing them to stay open.

The next Nuclear capacity is being pushed back and back at every meeting and the primary builders EDF are nearly bancruot and their unions and some senior execs want to pull out. The sister station they have built in France is having serious problems.

And that's the reality of the UK energy market at the moment.

For peak demand surely....like the one in Wales IIRC.

Huh!!? If you need to use EE to get water into the top reservoir then you're working at a net loss. Compare Sloy http://sse.com/media/87078/powerfromtheglens.pdf with Cruchan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruachan_Power_Station in terms of catchement area, and bear in mind that Cruachan's top reservoir is near the top of a lone peak!

Yes I'm well aware of that. The Uk is a bit short of great lakes and mountain systems for a constant hydro power.

Pumped hydro ok for peaks but no good if we have no wind for days.

Last winter we had over two weeks with wind producing less than 1% of the UK's needs. In that situation solar, pumped hydro or tidal doesn't help. We had coal, gas and diesel trying to keep the lights on.

We are in the bizarre situation that Government tax systems and lower prices are forcing stations to close but now too many are closing and the Government has been forced into financing them to stay open.

The next Nuclear capacity is being pushed back and back at every meeting and the primary builders EDF are nearly bancruot and their unions and some senior execs want to pull out. The sister station they have built in France is having serious problems.

And that's the reality of the UK energy market at the moment.

In that case I think we're actually in agreement.

Is there not an EU Investigation into the subsidies for DAX & the burning of Biomass?

Produce Cheap Electricity while producing expensive pollution and getting Carbon Credits which were just a joke.

Was it not because the claims of emissions reductions were exagerated, or actually just fiction?

Biomass produces more CO2 than burning coal but supposedly that is nuatralised when the trees grow.

Can't blame Drax for following Government Policy but shipping biomass from Canada has caused many protest.

The generators have been stung time and time again.

Drax spent hundreds of millions converting 3 units to Biomass due to Government Policy and it's now being investigated.

Drax spent tens of millions planning for Carbon Capture and Storage and now the Government has scrapped that.

Ratcliffe spent £300million+ putting SCR on all units but it's not running as Government have moved policy.

And they wonder why there is little investment in major grid upgrades from the generators

Nissan-Renault plant at Sunderland just rolled of the 50,000 Nissan Leaf and there is nearly quarter of a million worldwide...

 

http://www.automotivemanufacturingsolutions.com/home-page/nissan-sunderland-makes-50000th-leaf

 

UK – The milestone vehicle rolled off the production line earlier this month, three years after the OEM started making electric vehicles and batteries in Europe. Nissan claims it is the first carmaker in the continent to make 50,000 electric vehicles and their associated batteries.  The Tekna-grade Leaf will be shipped to France. Nissan’s Sunderland plant exports the model to 23 other counties, covering western Europe but also markets such as Argentina, Iceland, Israel and Taiwan.  Nissan Leaf and battery production began in the UK in 2013 and currently supports 2,000 jobs at the OEM and its suppliers. In January this year, Nissan announced an investment of £26.5m ($38.2m) at its lithium-ion facility, where 300 personnel are engaged in engineering, manufacturing and maintenance. The Sunderland plant had already received a total of £420m for Leaf and battery production.

 

Also this year, Nissan launched a 30kWh Leaf in Europe which has a range of 250km – 25% more than the previous version.  In total, the Leaf has achieved worldwide sales of 220,000.

 

Nissan introduced a second EV to the European market in 2014, after its Barcelona plant in Spain started making the e-NV200 van, which is powered by the same lithium-ion batteries.

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Perhaps this could help with power generation. The next generation of wind turbines

https://youtu.be/2_5K4kmnsL4

^^^^ fascinating

Some interesting, I thought, about pure electric, facts about lithium-ion battery powered cars that I have gleaned from a bit of reading.

1. It is suggested by some of the manufacturers that the electric cars is "warmed-up" ie getting the car up to comfortable for driver and passengers whilst it is still connected to the charger, this can be done by a phone app similar to the "Hive" app via ones phone.
2. It is also suggested that drivers take more note of driving through urban areas rather than the longer, bit usually quicker, through urban areas as this is where electric cars score ie little to no consumption when waiting at traffic lights compared to fuel consumption in a diesel/petrol car which is worse in urban rather than extra-urban. 

 

Clearly many of those who have moved to EVs have reprogrammed themselves to get use to driving EVs and it is a very difficult world.  When Inductive/wireless charging it will no doubt be more acceptable to more people and some of the these 60 and 90 KwHr units fitted to the smaller cars giving the range of most cars of today at fraction of running cost.   

Oh dear is LOL-LOL still believing/pushing the GIGO RCP8.5 fantasy climate model predictions from the IPCC with a political agenda of one world UN socialist government- you do realise it is garbage and will never happen?

Oh dear is LOL-LOL still believing/pushing the GIGO RCP8.5 fantasy climate model predictions from the IPCC with a political agenda of one world UN socialist government- you do realise it is garbage and will never happen?

 

Thankfully many countries are inventing Billions in moving away from fossil fuel burning, probably as much lot to be dependent on the oil producing countries but also due to the high pollution levels in their cities which claims so many lives.  I personally have no aspirations to see a single UN or within any other organisation though I believe we need to work together on air quality and climate change as it affects as all as we saw in the floods in Northern England and Scotland this Winter and with higher frequency according to the Met Office and other stats.   Some of us can work towards the goals of eradicating fossil fuel use by burning, taxing its usage until it become much more economical to use electric, generated by nuclear or renewables, is how those not on-board can be cajoled in to changing their ways at that is happening albeit slowly, too slowly IMO.

 

Perhaps now we have a Labour London Mayor we might get things move quicker in the capital, I was increasingly get the impression Zac Goldsmith was coming away from his ECO message and then playing the Race card just did for him and his chances.  Reading his sister's comment about him and seeing him post election loss still makes me smile.   We will see what Sadiq comes up with in the next few weeks to start on the issue of air quality, hopefully pushing out the ULEZ out to the M25 in stages over the next 4/5 years.  

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 One other barrier to going Battery power car looks to be the bleeding insurance!

 

Nissan Leaf Groups 20 to 24.

Renault Zoe Groups 15 to 17 !

Equivalent petrol model Group 4-10

Equivalent diesel model Group 12

 

Ouch!    Think we need to tweak the Insurance Premium Tax (which the Con government raised to 10% in the last budget in March).

 

Suggest

• 3% for electric and hybrid cars
• Keep the petrols at 10%
• Raise diesels to 13% to subsidise the electric cars (3% loading as they have with company car tax) and further discourage their use especially in urban areas where insurance is oft higher anyways.

That should narrow the gap, damn my local MP is a Con.  

Need a few more by-elections or a split in the Con party post Brexit vote.   

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Oh dear is LOL-LOL still believing/pushing the GIGO RCP8.5 fantasy climate model predictions from the IPCC with a political agenda of one world UN socialist government- you do realise it is garbage and will never happen?

I thought it only happened in Australia.

I thought it only happened in Australia.

 

Australia has suffered some freakish, mainly in the SE and Eastern coast rather than Western Australia which has a more stable weather pattern.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Australia+freakish+weather

 

We still have a lot to learn as the year's El Nino had some different aspects to it.

 

Thanks God the Canadian wild fires finally abiated.  Still not learning the lesson as the Slave Lake fires in my old country.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2680376/fort-mcmurray-fire-what-lessons-were-learned-from-the-tragic-2011-slave-lake-blaze/

 

More resilience.  More power, water etc network to fight these climate change events as our systems become more fragile and we fail to invest in robust systems to cope.  

 

The Tsunami cloud was most impressive....

 

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Thankfully many countries are inventing Billions in moving away from fossil fuel burning, probably as much lot to be dependent on the oil producing countries but also due to the high pollution levels in their cities which claims so many lives.  I personally have no aspirations to see a single UN or within any other organisation though I believe we need to work together on air quality and climate change as it affects as all as we saw in the floods in Northern England and Scotland this Winter and with higher frequency according to the Met Office and other stats.   Some of us can work towards the goals of eradicating fossil fuel use by burning, taxing its usage until it become much more economical to use electric, generated by nuclear or renewables, is how those not on-board can be cajoled in to changing their ways at that is happening albeit slowly, too slowly IMO.

 

Perhaps now we have a Labour London Mayor we might get things move quicker in the capital, I was increasingly get the impression Zac Goldsmith was coming away from his ECO message and then playing the Race card just did for him and his chances.  Reading his sister's comment about him and seeing him post election loss still makes me smile.   We will see what Sadiq comes up with in the next few weeks to start on the issue of air quality, hopefully pushing out the ULEZ out to the M25 in stages over the next 4/5 years.  

It's not feasible to suddenly expect a large percentage of the public to trade in their petrol and diesel cars for electric cars because the infrastructure is not set up to cope with large volumes, the price of the electric cars is still way too high and the range is still not enough for most peoples needs. Taxing non electric vehicles higher to 'persuade / force' people to change to EV will tax the poorer motorists who can't afford to buy a new EV's.

When the infrastructure for vehicle charging is set up, the price and range of EV's is more acceptable then that would be the time to change over. Nuclear is is expensive and if it goes wrong you have a big environmental problem and where do you dump the waste? We started shutting down coal fired power stations before we had alternative power sources set up, where the alternatives should have been in place before switching off the coal stations. 

It's not feasible to suddenly expect a large percentage of the public to trade in their petrol and diesel cars for electric cars because the infrastructure is not set up to cope with large volumes, the price of the electric cars is still way too high and the range is still not enough for most peoples needs. Taxing non electric vehicles higher to 'persuade / force' people to change to EV will tax the poorer motorists who can't afford to buy a new EV's.

When the infrastructure for vehicle charging is set up, the price and range of EV's is more acceptable then that would be the time to change over. Nuclear is is expensive and if it goes wrong you have a big environmental problem and where do you dump the waste? We started shutting down coal fired power stations before we had alternative power sources set up, where the alternatives should have been in place before switching off the coal stations. 

 

Local Renault garage has a new (been in stock a while) Zoe for less than £9k and plenty for around £10k for a high tech fun car.  Yes you want to be doing commutes of less than 40 miles each way if you are charging at home but that is most people I would have thought.

 

Charging points are being installed at the rate of dozens a week and Apps like ZAP MAP help you find them if you do not charge at home.

Home » Zap-Map app – iOS and Android

 

ZAP-MAP APP – IOS AND ANDROID

The Zap-Map app enables EV drivers to locate and navigate to charging points across the UK. With over 3800 locations, 5000 devices and 10,000 connectors mapped, Zap-Map shows charge points from both the major networks and smaller providers across the UK. Free to download, the Zap-Map app is essential tool for EV drivers around the UK.

 

Japan now has more charge points than petrol filling stations leading the way.

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Local Renault garage has a new (been in stock a while) Zoe for less than £9k and plenty for around £10k for a high tech fun car.  Yes you want to be doing commutes of less than 40 miles each way if you are charging at home but that is most people I would have thought.

 

Charging points are being installed at the rate of dozens a week and Apps like ZAP MAP help you find them if you do not charge at home.

On the Renault website the cheapest new Zoe is £13,945 (including the government subsidy) + battery rental and the cheapest is a 36 month contract for 7,500 miles PA at £70 a month or 12,000 mile PA at £93 per month, so add £2520 - £3348 to the price. OK the cost of charging is fairly low, but the range is estimated at around 100 miles, which with the heater and lights on in the winter could drop as low as 71 miles. An electric car would suit the wife's driving pattern most of the time, but for me it would be no use as I need an estate car and drive long distances.

On the Renault website the cheapest new Zoe is £13,945 (including the government subsidy) + battery rental and the cheapest is a 36 month contract for 7,500 miles PA at £70 a month or 12,000 mile PA at £93 per month, so add £2520 - £3348 to the price. OK the cost of charging is fairly low, but the range is estimated at around 100 miles, which with the heater and lights on in the winter could drop as low as 71 miles. An electric car would suit the wife's driving pattern most of the time, but for me it would be no use as I need an estate car and drive long distances.

 

Pre-Reg but only 10 miles and has the battery capacity guarantee...

http://www.savillesgarage.com/used/renault/zoe/dynamique-intens-5dr/kidderminster/worcestershire/17062835

 

Sadly on the Tesla would suit me as I often to 200 mile journeys to Airports and Ports but my company aims to have charge points at our offices and we will be using electric vehicles for our Feltham, Middlesex office.

 

Wish the EU would reduce the import tax (10%) on Teslas and the VAT rate of 5% like on the domestic electric rather than 20% on fuel.  Would make quite a difference and the upcoming Model 3 in many people's reach.

 

Hyper-miling is a bit of a discipline and EV range anxiety is being dealt with in several ways.  Now Nissan have moved to 30 KwHr batteries Renault will follow shortly but on-going tweaks to the software, the motors and method of driving is making big strides.  I prefer the Zoe to the leaf on paper, price, looks etc.

http://www.alphr.com/cars/1001808/nissan-leaf-vs-renault-zoe-which-electric-vehicle-is-best

 

Being someone who got a Fabia 2 VRS to do over 600 mile and the Dacia 0.9T to do 700 miles I think I can get close or even surpass the NEDC mileage using EV hyper-miling techniques, hopefully not using such extreme measures such as seen in "The Martian" ie carry a separate heat source, excellent film BTW.      

On the Renault website the cheapest new Zoe is £13,945 (including the government subsidy) + battery rental and the cheapest is a 36 month contract for 7,500 miles PA at £70 a month or 12,000 mile PA at £93 per month, so add £2520 - £3348 to the price. OK the cost of charging is fairly low, but the range is estimated at around 100 miles, which with the heater and lights on in the winter could drop as low as 71 miles. An electric car would suit the wife's driving pattern most of the time, but for me it would be no use as I need an estate car and drive long distances.

 

Nearly £100 a month for battery rental 

 

You can lease a Yeti TSi SEL for £129 a month. lol

 

Lee

I had a chance to buy one of these outright, it was a Demonstrator & for just under £12,000., a LWB one.

I got 65 miles out of it, then major panic set in and i spent £7 @ a KFC while i charged it, (& i got even fatter)

and then returned it, so that was a no.

Maybe best for Cities and Local Authorities /Police / NHS etc & vehicles that do short trips in and back to base.

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U.S. 'range' claims are relatively realistic compared to Europe apparently........seems it's the litigious effect.

Tesla's 300 mile claim will be delivered.