Evening all, having read this thread. Is it better then to get an oil change before your interval service comes up? If so, can I just go to my local garage and get it done, without being charged £129 by the dealer?

What is the oil type for a 190bhp DSG and how many liters required? (Is it the same oil for diesel v's petrol engines?) I haven't picked the car up yet but I think I'll unofficially change the oil after breaking in or 4/5000 kl. I know there are different schools of thought on both, whether the engine requires breaking in and there being no need to change oil but....

Edited 15 December, 20169 yr by BennyS3

If you want to know the true state of your oil, buy a sample kit and send it off to AES oil sampling ppl (or some other Comp), and they will tell you exactly what state it's in down to the size and composition of the metallic particles in the oil.

Interesting...where does one buy a sample kit ?

How much does it cost to get it tested ?

Interesting...where does one buy a sample kit ?

How much does it cost to get it tested ?

Google oil sampling and you will find a few who do it. I used the AESgroup via work, a crate of beer was all it cost me as the guy did the work for free. No charge to me or my employer.

He found a high concentration of metal particles suspended in my oil sample, & being that that particular metal was only used in my engines bottom end bearings, he suspected a blocked oil gallery and an imminent bottom half bearing failure. I'd only asked him to do it as my engine was getting louder than normal and I only needed the car for another few weeks as my new Superb 2 was on its way.

3 days after my sample was delivered to the lab, the big end let go on the motorway with my wife at the wheel. Unfortunately for me, even though the car must have sounded like a train crash might do, my wife left the car in gear so the engine was still being turned over as she grinded to a halt on he hard shoulder. The ECU had switched all fuelling etc off but with it still in gear that was all for nout in the end!

1 x engine destroyed beyond repair. 3 days later the results came back from the lab. My friend said that normally with the level of metal filings in my oil, they would have advised the user that that engine be stopped immediately and overhauled. It's cheaper to rebuild an engine, replacing all the bearings /metal bushes etc (and flush it and the oil galleries through) than write one off (as mine was) and buy a new one. It's a third - half the cost on average than new.

They normally sample big diesel engines up to whatever capacity you like. The MoD have really taken this to heart and it is saving them millions in preventing catastrophic failures in their tank engines. As for the cost, I don't know but I do know it considerable cheaper than a new engine! Give one or two of them a call and ask for a quote.

Take a sample at the 9k mile mark if you are on longlife servicing and see what the results are. The level of additives left in the oil and the soot content / fuel dilution will also be available on the results. From those, you can decide whether to continue on to 18k or to maybe change at 11k. The science doesn't lie!

Edited 21 December, 20169 yr by blahde2

Evening all, having read this thread. Is it better then to get an oil change before your interval service comes up? If so, can I just go to my local garage and get it done, without being charged £129 by the dealer?

You can book a service whenever you like at a dealers. I always ask for the filters back and like to watch so there is no (pretend service) going on. I have even marked my filters on a full service just to be sure they do ACTUALLY change them!

 

I'm sure you could get the filter an oil changed at an independent, just ensure they use OEM parts and a low ash 507 standard oil (diesels anyway) or you will wreck your particulate filter. If they are properly registered as a Skoda independent then (not sure on rules exactly) then your warranty is valid as over servicing cannot be blamed for anything!

 

As for cost, £45 for the labour is all I paid at a VW dealership as I supplied the oil, all the filters (VAG OEM air, oil, fuel & pollen) with a genuine Trades Parts Specialist receipt of £42 and some pennies. I left them in the TPS bag on the passenger seat and negotiated the labour costs for 40 min turn around. Free coffee and bun while I waited was icing on the cake.

Edited 21 December, 20169 yr by blahde2

What is the oil type for a 190bhp DSG and how many liters required? (Is it the same oil for diesel v's petrol engines?) I haven't picked the car up yet but I think I'll unofficially change the oil after breaking in or 4/5000 kl. I know there are different schools of thought on both, whether the engine requires breaking in and there being no need to change oil but....

00-507 is the current VAG VW group diesel engine oil. It's a low ash content oil meaning that if any were burn in combustion, it won't clog your particulate filter up so bad. I have zero idea what oil the petrol engines use, sorry on hat one.

Google The Trades Parts Specialist and look around their websote. They supply all VAG group dealers with spares etc. The oil they sell is on their site.

Edited 17 December, 20169 yr by blahde2

... why not change the filter as it (IMHO) would be just penny pinching not to.

 

I don't plan to service my new Superb Combi myself, but I've serviced diesel engines in my sailboats for 30+ years. Currently the advice is to change the oil every year and the filter every second year. The reason is that after a filter change, it will take a second or two for the new filter to get filled with oil and let clean oil through. During this time the engine is not properly lubricated. I don't have the continence (or is it competence?) to say whether this is relevant to auto engines.

 

Best regards, Antero

What is the oil type for a 190bhp DSG and how many liters required? (Is it the same oil for diesel v's petrol engines?) I haven't picked the car up yet but I think I'll unofficially change the oil after breaking in or 4/5000 kl. I know there are different schools of thought on both, whether the engine requires breaking in and there being no need to change oil but....

The manual has info on this under maintenance. And skoda (vag) recommends (and dealers use) castrol edge proffessional oils.

Castrol website has an oil selector, too.

I don't plan to service my new Superb Combi myself, but I've serviced diesel engines in my sailboats for 30+ years. Currently the advice is to change the oil every year and the filter every second year. The reason is that after a filter change, it will take a second or two for the new filter to get filled with oil and let clean oil through. During this time the engine is not properly lubricated. I don't have the continence (or is it competence?) to say whether this is relevant to auto engines.

 

Best regards, Antero

It is relevant to any engine Antero, I was told when doing an oil and filter change to fill the new filter with fresh oil before putting it on the engine, either that or pull the stop out to stop the engine from firing until oil pressure has been achieved.

Ian

I've just booked mine in with Bickertons Skoda in Sheffield for 1st service (18000 miles or 2yrs) costing £185. Nearly £100 cheaper than Skoda Wakefield just up the road!

And they're giving me a car for the day too.

Some people might not be aware just how crap VW Group OEM Oil filters are.

I would rather change the filter between oil changes which is possible & easy when the Oil filter is at the top of the engine.

 

I still would not use 'Long Life Oil',  the Oil might be LONG LIFE, the engine life is well reduced but then the VW Group are catering to the Lease & Fleet Market and after 3 years really do not give a monkeys.

So, I'm slightly confused.

When I bought my car and picked it up in March I was told on both occasions that it would not have to come back to the garage for 2 years or 24000 miles, to date I have only done 6500 miles and she is 9 months old. I have just got a warning message on my display saying oil service due in x days? What gives? Is this a coding issue or incorrect information from the dealer? I not on any monthly service plan.

to date I have only done 6500 miles and she is 9 months old. I have just got a warning message on my display saying oil service due in x days? What gives? Is this a coding issue or incorrect information from the dealer? I not on any monthly service plan.

 

That is because the car was not re-set at the PDI. I took delivery of my Leon in June 2013 and in January 2014 the service light came up. Rang garage to check (I thought it was 10,000 miles or 1 year form registration) and they told me that it had to be done immediately to keep warranty. No argument from me since I had a Seat Service Plan but the garage told me I could not use it since I had at that time paid insufficient money in. So I spoke to Seat Customer Services pointing out it was a Finance Product which appeared I had been miss sold. They confirmed it was 10,000 miles/1 year and to ignore the dash and confirmed that the selling dealer had not set the service indicator at PDI. They gave me a £200 voucher and sent an e-mail to confirm warranty would not be affected.

 

Went if for service in June as advised and dash was re set but the following January (2015) service warning came up again. Was told this was because they can only re set one warning at a time and to ignore.

 

January 2016 no warning so system was finally correct.

 

Just a bit of a bugger driving round with the display showing a warning for almost 5 months a year.

Just a bit of a bugger driving round with the display showing a warning for almost 5 months a year.

 

You could Google the old fashioned way of resetting oil service intervals on the Dash minus a computer. A made up example might be along the lines of:

 

Press brake pedal, turn ignition on (do not start), hold in reset button on left indicator stalk then dip clutch and Turn engine over while pressing the Trip reset button. Awkward (you may need an assistant) but it used to be the way independents did it if they couldn't afford the expensive computer eqpt to reset it via the OBD II port.

 

Result = Servicing light goes out and is reset for 1 year or XXX amount of days, each manufacture and model can differ. No guarantee that the Superb 3 can be done this way, but worth a Google none the less!

Edited 21 December, 20169 yr by blahde2