9 hours ago, skomaz said:

Just looked at that fleet site...   It doesn't seem to include the mandatory £59 per month battery rental...   Indicated on the Renault site in small print...???  Or are the prices quoted all in outright purchase prices???

 

I would expect that it does include the battery hire cost, I am still not sure which is the best route ie to buy the batteries outright or hire.  If one is doing huge mileage like I am then if I am doing 25K miles a year and it is costing me £109 a month rental then 5p a mile for batteries which if one is charging between free and 3 p a mile still only make between 5p and 8p a mile compared to 9p or so for cost of fuel for a diesel.

 

We need more charging points and a more harmonised paying system at public points, which I would hope to only use a few percent of the time as I would use the home wall box or office charge point.    

@lol-lol - I was being sort of serious about the potential for serious to fatal injury from a super-capacitor; the "big oil" bit was a joke!

46 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I would expect that it does include the battery hire cost, I am still not sure which is the best route ie to buy the batteries outright or hire.  If one is doing huge mileage like I am then if I am doing 25K miles a year and it is costing me £109 a month rental then 5p a mile for batteries which if one is charging between free and 3 p a mile still only make between 5p and 8p a mile compared to 9p or so for cost of fuel for a diesel.

 

We need more charging points and a more harmonised paying system at public points, which I would hope to only use a few percent of the time as I would use the home wall box or office charge point.    

 

No it didn't include rental of batteries.

 

Your figures are wrong too, 9000 mile per year lease is £89 a month for the bigger battery, 11.86p per mile. 10.53p per mile for the smaller battery. Excess mileage is 8p per mile. You just have to look at the Renault website to get these figures.

The cost base is fairly fixed but unit throughput is fundamental in lowering the retail price........the old saying 'let the trend be your friend '.

1 hour ago, amwphotos said:

 

No it didn't include rental of batteries.  Your figures are wrong too, 9000 mile per year lease is £89 a month for the bigger battery, 11.86p per mile. 10.53p per mile for the smaller battery. Excess mileage is 8p per mile. You just have to look at the Renault website to get these figures.

 

I think I was talking about 20K (or even 25k) miles a year and using the 0% 5 year interest free purchase rather than PCP with the £2,500 dealer contribution as the optimum deal is the optimum deal. The £109 a month battery hire is valid from 12.5K pa miles right up to 25K pa miles so I would go for the higher mileage but then I do 50K miles a year which I split between two cars and the motorbike.  I used Renault's website previously for these figures.  It is picking the sweet post to optimise the lease, tax reclaim on business miles per tax year etc.    

 

If I was only doing 9k or 6k miles I would probably do a mixture of hire cars and taxis and not bother leasing/owning a car.   Pence per mile for such low mileages is interesting for even 10K and 2 years with only Dacia under 30p per mile which when some companies only pay the public transport rate of 25p a mile is a world of hurt......

http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/car-running-costs-calculator?CarType=small-car&Manufacturer=&Model=&CO2From=&CO2To=&BIKPriceFrom=&BIKPriceTo=&SortBy=PencePerMile&SortDesc=false&FuelType=  

 

 

 

2 hours ago, KenONeill said:

@lol-lol - I was being sort of serious about the potential for serious to fatal injury from a super-capacitor; the "big oil" bit was a joke!

 

 

I was wondering when some know-naught, somehow or other, interfered with our super capacitor charging of our buses.

 

Spot the piston emerging from the top of the bus shelter to deliver a Mega Joule or two to power the bus for the next Km or so......

I expect it has cutouts etc but a technically interesting solution compared loop charging without physical contact which is also being trailed.  

 

(Destination is the Paris climate conf you may notice too).

 

 

 

Edited 29 May, 20179 yr by lol-lol

10 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I think I was talking about 20K (or even 25k) miles a year and using the 0% 5 year interest free purchase rather than PCP with the £2,500 dealer contribution as the optimum deal is the optimum deal. The £109 a month battery hire is valid from 12.5K pa miles right up to 25K pa miles so I would go for the higher mileage but then I do 50K miles a year which I split between two cars and the motorbike.  I used Renault's website previously for these figures.  It is picking the sweet post to optimise the lease, tax reclaim on business miles per tax year etc.    

 

If I was only doing 9k or 6k miles I would probably do a mixture of hire cars and taxis and not bother leasing/owning a car.   Pence per mile for such low mileages is interesting for even 10K and 2 years with only Dacia under 30p per mile which when some companies only pay the public transport rate of 25p a mile is a world of hurt......

http://www.fleetnews.co.uk/car-running-costs-calculator?CarType=small-car&Manufacturer=&Model=&CO2From=&CO2To=&BIKPriceFrom=&BIKPriceTo=&SortBy=PencePerMile&SortDesc=false&FuelType=  

 

 

 

That's an impressive annual mileage, 200 miles a day!

Mind you, the calculations all change if you get a car that's not brand new, massively less depreciation, which by your calculations was the highest part of the per mile cost. My old megane doesn't depreciate as it's not worth anything to sell, working on 12,000 per year, it probably costs about 15p a mile.

 

On 5/26/2017 at 07:01, moley said:

Also this: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-autoshow-paris-engines-exclusive-idUSKBN12E11K

In real-driving conditions, the French carmaker's 0.9-litre gasoline H4Bt injects excess fuel to prevent overheating, resulting in high emissions of unburned hydrocarbons, fine particles and carbon monoxide.

 

Another couple of thoughts occurred to me that this, in the highest state of tune with circa 120 hp, is supplied to Mercedes/Smart for the Brabus Smarts so the above may apply even more to those engines when we sometime do get the 25-30 C plus temps.

 

When I did read some articles on what was allowable and what was not I recall that engine designers were allowed to "go rich" to protect an engine if it did get on the edge of its operating temperature to protect the engine.  The real world test will hopefully expose these occurrence ie particularly diesel engines that never get up to operating temperatures to be within allowable emissions and petrol cars getting too hot and again being outside allowable emission.

 

This is being addressed by car companies ie Renault has adjusted its parameters so the 1.5 litre diesels better cope with Northern Europe's temperate climate and with VWs program of removing the Cheat it also seems to be forcing the EGR to work a lot more in producing better emissions at the temperatures we usually have in the UK so we all have better air to breath in the urban areas.   

 

   

 

 

High carbon footprint and a bit odd for a self-styled logistics expert to live so far from where they work...

4 minutes ago, Wino said:

High carbon footprint and a bit odd for a self-styled logistics expert to live so far from where they work...

 

But I am in the middle, in the Midlands.

 

100 or so miles to Heathrow, Cardiff, Liverpool, Manchester, Southampton, bit further to Glasgow, Tilbury, to drive, and would fly to Aberdeen.

 

Dacia is sub 120 gm/km, often take the A road routes rather than the motorway to saves miles & mileage, satnav has good eco-route planning.  

 

Oh, and I am customs bit, others do the logistics optimization and as you probably appreciate being in Oxfordshire, Warwickshire or Worcestershire is pretty hand but I "would rather be a pear than a bear" (cricket song).   

21 minutes ago, amwphotos said:

That's an impressive annual mileage, 200 miles a day!

Mind you, the calculations all change if you get a car that's not brand new, massively less depreciation, which by your calculations was the highest part of the per mile cost. My old megane doesn't depreciate as it's not worth anything to sell, working on 12,000 per year, it probably costs about 15p a mile.

 

 

That can be a quiet day. 250-300 not uncommon to keep the average up for those days work from home.    

 

On the weekends I would sometimes drive out to West Wales ie New Quay (not the horrible Cornish one) to chill out at the "van" but now my van is in Devon it is is further ie about 300 mile round trip instead of 250 miles but I can do an hour quicker, if the Emmets and Grockles are not blocking up the roads, breaking down for their one long trip a year, just love 'em.  

 

Similarly bought the Clio, 3 years old, 16K miles on it, half the price of new, immaculate inside and out, put over 20k miles on it in the last year and it is still a relatively low mileage car.  About £100 a month. Simple engine, no turbo, not much to go wrong.

 

On the other hand, Dacia Logan new, £200 a month, £3 a month road tax, 50 mpg, 600 litre boot, comfy seats, satnav, phone, music, also hard to beat.  20K miles pa lease for three years, no warranty worries.       

 

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

 

I was wondering when some know-naught, somehow or other, interfered with our super capacitor charging of our buses.

 

Spot the piston emerging from the top of the bus shelter to deliver a Mega Joule or two to power the bus for the next Km or so......

I expect it has cutouts etc but a technically interesting solution compared loop charging without physical contact which is also being trailed.  

 

(Destination is the Paris climate conf you may notice too).

 

 

 

I'm not sure what that has to do with the (already proven) potential for an on-board charge store to become live to the vehicle shell.

Super capacitors are already in common use on vehicles so unless one serious compromised the on board insulation I would have thought the super capacitors are every bit as safe, or probably safer, than have those lead-acid battery terminal or wiring there to actually short out with a spanner, screw driver, done that.  Expect there will be fuses, trip etc to protect us.  Maxell have done over a million super capacitor unit supplies for start-stop systems...http://www.maxwell.com/solutions/transportation/auto/start-stop-micro-hybrid 

 

   

How many Billions did VW Group / Audi put into all that Turbo Diesel Endurance racing and the R&D for the future technology and road going vehicles that were going to sell due to the economy and efficiency only to end up going to Formula-E and the next greatest thing.

 

Have the VW Group got any good EV's ready to release into the European Markets yet?

 

 

Edited 29 May, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

 

Ford have just changed their CEO as the out going one was not EV friendly, VAG should take note and especially as their ICE sales, as with BMW and Merc, are likely to a huge dive post BREXIT with such a significant percentage of their cars usually coming to the UK and with exchange rates and tariffs that is going to be choked off considerably and be replaced by cheaper importer and home made cars.

 

 

Edited 30 May, 20179 yr by lol-lol