A rapidly climbing amount of "Power Stations " are hydro, tidal or wind so have no carbon creating apart from their original build and eventually disposal and this equipment tend to have a 50 to 75 year lifespan.

 

Half the time I pass these windmill things they aren't even turning.

So many of them all over the place and the Nuclear stations & Gas ones are being paid to produce, even the gas not to produce.

There are far too many Wind Farms and turbines and more going up daily without the demand for the electricity they can produce and not enough storage yet with Hydro Schemes & Batteries and producing hydrogen, but that is coming soon.

http://renewables-map.co.uk/windfarm.asp

Edited 21 January, 20179 yr by Offski

Everyone dies of something and some are long and horrible deaths.

Asbestos is not nice stuff, pollution in the air from vehicle fumes and other fumes is horrible, smoking and maybe even vaping can cause a horrible death.

Drinking and not drinking, and drugs and salt and fat and not the right fat and all that stuff.

 

Sleeping near the cables behind the headboard, or under electric pylons, maybe near a mobile phone might cause issues with the brain.

 

Bl00dy weird place living on earth so you might as well enjoy it.

You are near enough the Nuclear Waste getting flown out of Wick back to the USA so you number could be up anytime soon if one of those planes come down on you..

 

Happy days.

 

Because of my friends I try to limit certain things.  My opinion could be totally wrong but I enjoy hearing other points of view in case it reveal's truth which in this world is rare.

 

We know about the planes etc,  Not much we can do on that and it does worry a lot of folk.

 

But i agree with what you say.  As for telling me nuclear waste could come down on me with happy day's, I immediately thought of our baby. I'm away to sleep now with your comment in mind. Have to shake it off, time to get the Gin out lol.

 

Gnight  :yawn:   :happy:

Well, until a decent 2nd hand alternative fuel vehicle that gives me a 600 mile tank range and decent performance becomes affordable for the poor people like me... I have little choice but to buy a diesel.

A rapidly climbing amount of "Power Stations " are hydro, tidal or wind so have no carbon creating apart from their original build and eventually disposal and this equipment tend to have a 50 to 75 year lifespan.

Half the time I pass these windmill things they aren't even turning.

With the nature of wind, as well as tidal to some degree, and solar will be by their nature (pun intended) be fluctuating. What we have in part engineered in to the UK power grid but need to do more of is to storage power over nights and even weeks.

Facilities such as Cruachan and do this and it can store 36s and 23 TJs of energy respectively. Dinorwig, can store 33 TJs of energy and the smaller facility at Ffestiniog 5 TJs.

The new Renault Zoe ZE 41 can hold 150 MJs of energy and a Nissan Leaf around 100 MJs. Plans are underway that EVs would take power from the grid when not needs, ie nuclear base load, and pass/sell it back to the grid at times of need. Clearly hundreds of thousands of EVs could hold 10 TJs and banks of Lithium batteries, from old EVs banks swapped out and build UPS systems and earn money acting as a buy cheap, sell high electrical system to smooth daily and weeks peaks and troughs.

Edited 22 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

Well, until a decent 2nd hand alternative fuel vehicle that gives me a 600 mile tank range and decent performance becomes affordable for the poor people like me... I have little choice but to buy a diesel.

 

it will take a while for second hand EVs to become widespread and they will tend to be the early ones with the 100 mile range.  They will be great for the town driving but for those who do motorway traveling of substantial mileages not the answer.

 

After years of being forced to drive diesels as it was the only choice for a work car I love the freedom to choose now as present company allows me the freedom to buy what I want.  From 2010 to 2017 the turbo petrol cars have made much more sense to me that the diesels on offer in turns of buying and running for my 40K miles a year. The latest crop if turbo petrols  do 45-50 mpg usually, 60 mpg if being gentle so have ranges of 450 to 600 miles.

 

I absolutely loved by 1.9 PD engines.  Had them Audi A3 and A4, Skoda Fabia VRS 1, Octavia Mk1 L&K, Mark 2 estate (105hp version with DSG).  But the change to the 2 litre and 1.6 VAG diesels put me off (had the 140hp in a SEAT) and rise of small capacity turbo-petrols producing plenty of hp and great MPG plus cheaper to buy and cheaper fuel showed the way to go.

 

Seriously considering adding a Zoe ZE 41 to the stable, PCP of course, as the prospect of "fuel" running costs of less than half of a diesel or petrol car, for a high mileage person like me, is very tempting plus the social responsibility angle is a strong incentive so I am not adding to the poor quality of air in the densely populated areas of the UK. 

Edited 22 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

The vast majority of houses in the fairly affluent area I live in, (and if one comes up for sale, it is normally sold within a fortnight) have no drives or garages, so everyone parks on the street.....So if overnight charging at home became a viable option, where we would put all the charge leads?

My car does 480 miles on a tank of diesel and visit the pumps every fortnight or so. I couldn't be arsed with plugging my car in every few days at Sainsbury's to give it a squirt. Particularly as we don't do our main shop there.

I've spent 25 years around diesel cars, trains and ambulances and have had no dentrimental effects. (Touch wood so far) I have to say most of the people I know with health issues are smokers.....

Whatever the propulsion system will be in the future for the motor vehicle, it will continue to dominate the planet like the past 130 years with the same dentrimental effect on the planet.

It is going to be a location location location thing and the type of use people need their vehicles for.

As to a 600 mile fuel tank range, not many need to drive for 11 or 12 hours without a stop.

200-250 or even 300 miles from starting out until the first stop is a common journey for many though.

That range in an affordable passenger vehicle might have many more consider an EV.

Edited 22 January, 20179 yr by Offski

Norway is so on the case of this roll out.  Interesting if not overlong test on the old Zoe ie 22Kw/Hr.  In Norway, it is reckoned, that EVs will outsell diesels in 2017.

 

In cold weather battery life can be considerably less than the in spring, summer and autumn temperatures.

 

The narrator did admit he did not operator the optimum policy ie charge to full power especially when cold.  There are several techniques that help maximise range, ie use the phone App to get the Zoe warmed up whilst it is still plugged in.  I might even clear out the garage to store the Zoe in their during cold nights so the batteries take more charge.

 

You can get charge cables for charging the Zoe for about £400 retail or half that for second hand ones knocking around as people sell them when then get their wall charger unit.  

 

I thought the second film was also interesting. The woman with him I would not be able to stand for more than a minute.  Some interesting comments from him.      

Edited 22 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

Plenty have no time and just want to wash and go, not take 2 bottles into the shower.   (Doh sorry that is about shampoo.)

 

Anyway,

no time to pus about when they have to go some place at short or no notice & get there ASAP,

if the tank is near empty fill it up double quick and shoot off & when needs must a good few hundred miles later get more.

No 2nd vehicle that is standing by for when the EV is not fit for purpose or the Power Supplies are down.

 

So there is always going to be an issue with EV's for private or business use until the charging and storage / range is a lot better than now.

Plenty have no time and just want to wash and go, not take 2 bottles into the shower.   (Doh sorry that is about shampoo.)

 

Anyway,

no time to pus about when they have to go some place at short or no notice & get there ASAP,

if the tank is near empty fill it up double quick and shoot off & when needs must a good few hundred miles later get more.

No 2nd vehicle that is standing by for when the EV is not fit for purpose or the Power Supplies are down.

 

So there is always going to be an issue with EV's for private or business use until the charging and storage / range is a lot better than now.

 

 

If range doubles every three as it has with the Zoe then the model in 3 years will be 800 km NEDC and within 5/6 make diesels obsolete.  

 

They appear to be cheaper already and if we got a fuel tanker strike etc, or it goes back up to £1.50 a litre then the fill up at home, work, super market car park rather so a separate stop in the way out of the supermarket will be increasingly worth it financially and time wise.    

The Chevy bolt not available in Europe thankfully (and I am a Chevy fan).

 

The Zoe ZE41 is a much better car for Europe IMO.

 

400 Km NEDC.  

 

Heater in the Zoe is suppose to be a bit naff.  Guess I will have to start driving with clothes on again....

 

Yes, because it's badged as a "Vauxhall Ampera" IIRC.

 

No views on the Zoe beyond "French electrics"?

 

And random trivia - The Mini in "A Shot in the Dark" was Sellers' own car.

With the nature of wind, as well as tidal to some degree, and solar will be by their nature (pun intended) be fluctuating. What we have in part engineered in to the UK power grid but need to do more of is to storage power over nights and even weeks.

Facilities such as Cruachan and do this and it can store 36s and 23 TJs of energy respectively. Dinorwig, can store 33 TJs of energy and the smaller facility at Ffestiniog 5 TJs.

The new Renault Zoe ZE 41 can hold 150 MJs of energy and a Nissan Leaf around 100 MJs. Plans are underway that EVs would take power from the grid when not needs, ie nuclear base load, and pass/sell it back to the grid at times of need. Clearly hundreds of thousands of EVs could hold 10 TJs and banks of Lithium batteries, from old EVs banks swapped out and build UPS systems and earn money acting as a buy cheap, sell high electrical system to smooth daily and weeks peaks and troughs.

More MBF and half-truths.

 

Cruachan has only sufficient water in the upper reservoir to generate for about 8 hours.

 

What you're not addressing here is what happens when I plug in because I need a full charge next day, and NG decide this is a "time of need" and drain my battery pack instead of charging it.

More MBF and half-truths.

Cruachan has only sufficient water in the upper reservoir to generate for about 8 hours.

What you're not addressing here is what happens when I plug in because I need a full charge next day, and NG decide this is a "time of need" and drain my battery pack instead of charging it.

Got there before me on "my need vs NG need".. i was thinking, i plug in my car, then go to bed. In the morning i get a text from my leccy supplier, "sorry your battery isnt charged as your neighbour used the battery in your car at 5am to have a shower..."

Hybrid/hydrogen i can deal with a lot easily than Pure EV.. at least you can recharge as you need without a stop. But.. imo.... hybrids arent quite there yet either as once the batterys empty and petrol kicks in yer burning fuel faster than manufacturers tell you you will.

Addon the weight element of the fuel tank and batteries and the price premium the manufacturers are loading on them and the basic maths doeant stack up for many people. The runnings cost savings vs the increased purchase cost make the break even vsan equivilent diesel/petrol car too long for it to be worth it

Surely there'd be an electronic stop to a discharge (reverse flow)???

Surely there'd be an electronic stop to a discharge (reverse flow)???

Not what LolLol was spouting about farther up, with suppliers "buying back" the energy from EVs during peak times... which is just f'ing nuts imo

Not what LolLol was spouting about farther up, with suppliers "buying back" the energy from EVs during peak times... which is just f'ing nuts imo

That reverse flow aspect was being promoted as a feature for the home storage systems and your Tesla.

You'd have to be desperate surely

11 hours ago, KenONeill said:

Yes, because it's badged as a "Vauxhall Ampera" IIRC.

 

No views on the Zoe beyond "French electrics"?

 

And random trivia - The Mini in "A Shot in the Dark" was Sellers' own car.

 

The Ampera is an old EV car so are they going to rebadge the new 60 KW/Hr Bolt as a new Ampera?

 

Going to be expensive I would have thought with car import duty and the bad rate of Exchange ie £30K+ and for less than 200 mile is naff. 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, KenONeill said:

More MBF and half-truths.

 

Cruachan has only sufficient water in the upper reservoir to generate for about 8 hours.

 

What you're not addressing here is what happens when I plug in because I need a full charge next day, and NG decide this is a "time of need" and drain my battery pack instead of charging it.

 

I understood it was thee times that period but usually only did 8 hours as they cheap Lecky came every 8 hours so it used the Nuclear Base Load to top the top lake off then.  

Oh I see they do actually keep the top lake at least two thirds full to restart other part of the National Grid in case of catastrophic failure of parts of the grid.

 

The EV owner would not become a supplier of last resort but would be able to download Lecky at zero pence per Kilowatt/Hr or a few pence and have the choice to sell it back at two or three times the price and so make a few quid if they wanted to.  The Nissan system, like the Tesla one, is configurable so you can set times etc.  NG peaks are early and mid evening and early morning so it would not be too much trouble to make money on the supply and ensure topped up when needed.  I only travel to work half the time and work half the time from home so looking like it suits me but although Renault is a sister company to Nissan I have not heard they are planning this yet.

http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/

 

 

 

 

The U.S. solution to VW issue

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1108552_where-do-bought-back-vw-diesels-go-dead-nfl-stadiums-among-other-places

The EU is getting tougher on defeat devices

http://europe.autonews.com/article/20170126/ANE/170129877/eu-gets-tougher-over-defeat-devices-after-vw-emissions-scandal?cciid=email-ane-daily

Fossil fuels under threat from cheap BEVs and solar 

https://www.desmog.uk/2017/02/01/cheap-electric-cars-and-solar-technology-could-stop-growth-fossil-fuel-demand-starting-2020

 

Re NOx emissions: Trucks are better but Euro6 is best......by a loooong way

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-news/heavy-diesel-vehicle-nox-emissions-less-diesel-cars/

 

Paris diesel stickers

https://practicalmotoring.com.au/car-news/paris-introduces-colour-coded-stickers-diesel-vehicles/?utm_source=Practical+Motoring+Newsletter&utm_campaign=acc0fbe7a3-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_02_03&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b370c358c4-acc0fbe7a3-177839781

Word from the Nissan EcoWarrior at work is that there's a new scrappage scheme that will (supposedly) pay up to £5,000 for your old diesel demon... but payout is dependent upon what you're replacing said demon with, not what the demon is worth. Could get double what mine is valued at... assuming I can afford a viable replacement, that is.

Those going totally green and riding bicycles instead will get nothing. Those going electric will get closer to the top whack.