I don't have the evidence because it was pre-interweb, but I had a Summer job with the then NofSHEB. One of the things we did was count salmon and measure their ranges up-river.

 

We had significant populations of wild fish getting further up-river than they ever managed before the hydro dams were built. Your 3% is the proportion of smolts that survive a trip through a running turbine, not the proportion that make it from the dam loch into the river downstream of the dam.

Incorrect. They were tagged and released. 97 % swam around the loch not finding the fish box in the dam. as you know they do not pass turbines but are to find a wee box, a fish lift to drop them the other side of the dam.

4 year's later a consistent amount of fish were trapped, around 1000 per day at times. 3 % made it out.

Any how, I'm not here to tell people incorrect facts. Like the Salmon population decimated is just a wee Google away.

Time for me to give this topic a rest. Too passionate about our eco system.

It's been good blethering, sort of topic to be discussed in front of a warm fire with a drink.

Good weekend all.

Scientists are saying EMF'S are cancer causing, radiation etc produced by all the electric items we have are so bad for us. so, sitting inside a car generating massive EMF's is asking for trouble.

Pseudoscientists say this; scientists say the opposite

Not quite - a lot of those are private ones...   filter by 24hr public access with no restrictions and, in Sheffield for example, there is 1 charging point that, according to reviews - either isn't working or, when it does isn't working properly...

Or more closer to home for you - Worcester has...   None!

 

We have the following in Worcester (we are only a small city of 100K people....

Most you can get a most of the waking hours.  There is also a couple of charging points at the Waitrose just opened (& Kw ones I think).

 

Another dozen in other town and hotels a handful of miles away.     

 

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Worcestershire County Council County Hall County Hall

Worcester

Worcestershire

WR5 2NP

1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes

1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)

1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)

Charge Your Car, Worcestershire County Council

Asda Worcester Silver Street

Worcester

Worcestershire

WR1 2DA

1 x 3kW 13A 3-Square pin

1 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes

POLAR

St Martin's Gate Spring Gardens

Worcester

Worcestershire

WR1 2BS

1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes

1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)

1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)

Charge Your Car, Worcestershire County Council

Crowngate car park 1 17 Friary Walk, Worcester

Worcestershire

WR1 3LE

2 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes

2 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)

2 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)

Charge Your Car, Worcestershire County Council

Renault dealership: Hylton Group Ltd Everoak Estate

Bromyard Road

Worcester

Worcestershire

WR2 5HP

1 x 3kW 16A Type 2 Mennekes

2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes

POLAR, Plugged-in Midlands

Edited 20 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

Yes, I complain at MRI time but thats because the wife and I do everything we can to keep us and our wee one away from EMF'S.  Anyway the one off charge from MRI would be less than EMF by an electric vehicle over time surely?  As for hydro power. It destroy's the ECO system. Again power at the cost of the planet. I worked 4 year's for a fishery board, trying to catch salmon in traps before they reach the hydro dam. 3 % of hatchlings ( fry ) actually make it through the dam. Fact.  As it's too early to be giving support to electric cars I am undecided on which vehicle would be better. Evidence is key, and EC have not been around long enough to see there true impacts of a nation running them, straining the eco system.  Which ever way has the least impact on the planet I am for. It's the only option as we cannot change our use of transport.  Let's see the evidence. Either way I think the planet will suffer some how. Especially as an anti global warming supporter is about to become president in America. Slip a scientist ££££££££££ and EC all of sudden be amazing, or all of a sudden terrible. depends where the profit is.

G

 

 

 

We have the following in Worcester (we are only a small city of 100K people....

Most you can get a most of the waking hours.  There is also a couple of charging points at the Waitrose just opened (& Kw ones I think).

 

Another dozen in other town and hotels a handful of miles away.     

 

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Worcestershire County Council County Hall County Hall

Worcester

Worcestershire

WR5 2NP

1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes

1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)

1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)

Charge Your Car, Worcestershire County Council

Asda Worcester Silver Street

Worcester

Worcestershire

WR1 2DA

1 x 3kW 13A 3-Square pin

1 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes

POLAR

St Martin's Gate Spring Gardens

Worcester

Worcestershire

WR1 2BS

1 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes

1 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)

1 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)

Charge Your Car, Worcestershire County Council

Crowngate car park 1 17 Friary Walk, Worcester

Worcestershire

WR1 3LE

2 x 43kW 63A Type 2 Mennekes

2 x 50kW 125A JEVS (CHAdeMO)

2 x 50kW 125A CCS (Combo)

Charge Your Car, Worcestershire County Council

Renault dealership: Hylton Group Ltd Everoak Estate

Bromyard Road

Worcester

Worcestershire

WR2 5HP

1 x 3kW 16A Type 2 Mennekes

2 x 7kW 32A Type 2 Mennekes

POLAR, Plugged-in Midlands

 

 

Yes those are the ones in Worcester - but read what I said!   They do not appear to be publically available 24hrs a day - according to the Zap map you provided and applying the '24hr' and 'Public Access' filters on the left of the Zap map...   for example the dealership ones are only available during dealership opening hours...   the Council one is only available 07:00 - 21:00 etc...

 

Thats made me chuckle  :D   we are not that bad, just take care..    Be careful, they are coming to get us..............

 

I get every ones point,  and accept it.  But really time will tell.

Yes those are the ones in Worcester - but read what I said!   They do not appear to be publically available 24hrs a day - according to the Zap map you provided and applying the '24hr' and 'Public Access' filters on the left of the Zap map...   for example the dealership ones are only available during dealership opening hours...   the Council one is only available 07:00 - 21:00 etc...

 

The charge points are Asda and Waitrose 24 hour (except sunday) and 13 hour respectively.  The ones in the public car parks are open most of the day as are the ones in the Country building car park.  Ones at the Renault dealership are open 10 hours every day.

 

So if you have driven down from Leeds in a Zoe ZE41 or up from Plymouth and getting a bit low on charge then you should be OK to pop in to Asda to charge up, or there are chargers at Strensham service Worcestershire or I would plug in at home as I get a 7 Kw charge with the new Zoe.  With new charger being installed at the rate of 3 new ones per million population per month it will not be long before there are many more charge points that fuel pumps.  There are plans for 150 Kw charger which would change vehicles in a few minutes and one where there is no cable and you just park in the space.  Petrol stations will continue to close as users migrate.  

 

We must clean up our air or continue to suffer massive death toll.   

Edited 20 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

"estimated" range up to 200 miles - So "200 miles if you don't need lights or heater, and keep to 55mph"

"$30_000 after government grant" - So ~£30_000 in the UK

Oh and "I don't want to get Daewoo on me" ;-)

 

The Chevy bolt not available in Europe thankfully (and I am a Chevy fan).

 

The Zoe ZE41 is a much better car for Europe IMO.

 

400 Km NEDC.  

 

Heater in the Zoe is suppose to be a bit naff.  Guess I will have to start driving with clothes on again....

 

Edited 20 January, 20179 yr by lol-lol

The charge points are Asda and Waitrose 24 hour (except sunday) and 13 hour respectively.  The ones in the public car parks are open most of the day as are the ones in the Country building car park.  Ones at the Renault dealership are open 10 hours every day.

 

So you agree with me after all - they are NOT 24hr a day and public access...   blimey that was hard  :sweat:

We're still at the 'man with a red flag' stage .........they didn't build motorways first either

Kia's hybrid stepping stone is an option for northern Scotland surely

http://www.thecarconnection.com/cars/kia_niro

So you agree with me after all - they are NOT 24hr a day and public access...   blimey that was hard  :sweat:

 

Point is there are lots of charge stations in even a small town like Worcester and it is pretty much as ease to get to a charge point as get to a fuel pump and in fact the charge points are in more convenient places.

 

As more people and business convert to EV more petrol/diesel stations will close as the money in quickly diminishes.

 

You can charge it from a 3 pin plug and I gather there are a few of those around.  My office at Heathrow has 10 EV charging point....

 

Cue: EV charging point rage.

Cue: EV charging point rage.

 

EV charging points can/do working like parking meters so it is best just to leave the EU, in the often free of parking charge bay, you just pay the charging fee and then move it to another bay or go home after your half hour/45 minutes of shopping and you are 80% charged up.  Probably b est to charge up at home much of the time on the £500 subsistence home charging point and on your Free electricity from British Gas on a Saturday morning/afternoon.

I just hope they plan for a max demand scenario rather than a see how it goes one.

Good thing guns aren't part of our culture IMO.

I just hope they plan for a max demand scenario rather than a see how it goes one.    Good thing guns aren't part of our culture IMO.

 

I rarely see the EV charging points more than half the points being used.  In Worcester/Worcestershire people do often travel largish distance as we are quite spread out across the country, not like Oz or particularly western Oz but for England quite low pop density.

 

We are more knuckles with a bit of martial arts.   Or you can just breath in the air for a bit and that will get you fairly quickly.        

I rarely see the EV charging points more than half the points being used.  In Worcester/Worcestershire people do often travel largish distance as we are quite spread out across the country, not like Oz or particularly western Oz but for England quite low pop density.

 

We are more knuckles with a bit of martial arts.   Or you can just breath in the air for a bit and that will get you fairly quickly.

I haven't noticed a single charging point.......not that I've been actively looking mind.

We are more knuckles with a bit of martial arts.

 

Quarterstaves and Broadswords and threshalls and flails and cudgels... Oh my!!

You're playing my song ;-)

Okay, according to highland council there is one charging point in Inverness.

I cant name him fully lol-lol but a customer of our's was one of the leading scientists in europe. He spoke many times at the Geneva convention. His stance on Emf is well... lets say he doesnt have a microwave in his house.

My other close friend is a physisist and he takes the same stance also. So when it comes to wearing tin foil...... Who do I listen to, the profiteer's or the scientists?

But evidence will prevail so I keep a cautious open mind, however I see here there are people who have to be right, who maybe need to be right and will instead of chewing the fat, force there opinion home.

There is not enough evidence to support the safety of Emf's omitted by EV, but research will show that even a hair dryer produces massive amounts.

Of course there will be those who need to claim these thing's are safe, but it could be luck of the draw. There is evidence on EMF'S but no evidence for Ev.

Over the last 40 year's electric item's have become more and more a part of our lives, to the point we have today flooded our homes with wi fi, microwaves Ipads phones etc etc etc and over the last 40 year's certain illnesses have increased hugely.

So for that reason I keep my tin foil on and continue my research.

I welcome anybody here to show me some evidence about EMF'S from electric vehicles every day being safe for our bodies.

Hydro power seem's to be stamped out by the Elite.. shame, I would have thought that safer.

http://greenerscotland.org/greener-travel/greener-driving/charge-point-map

 

'Grants & Funding'  Electric Vehicle Interest free loans.

http://greenerscotland.org/greener-travel/greener-driving/grants-and-funding

http://mygov.scot/electric-vehicle-loan-scotland

Edited 21 January, 20179 yr by Offski

Okay, according to highland council there is one charging point in Inverness.I cant name him fully lol-lol but a customer of our's was one of the leading scientists in europe. He spoke many times at the Geneva convention. His stance on Emf is well... lets say he doesnt have a microwave in his house.My other close friend is a physisist and he takes the same stance also. So when it comes to wearing tin foil...... Who do I listen to, the profiteer's or the scientists?But evidence will prevail so I keep a cautious open mind, however I see here there are people who have to be right, who maybe need to be right and will instead of chewing the fat, force there opinion home.There is not enough evidence to support the safety of Emf's omitted by EV, but research will show that even a hair dryer produces massive amounts.Of course there will be those who need to claim these thing's are safe, but it could be luck of the draw. There is evidence on EMF'S but no evidence for Ev.Over the last 40 year's electric item's have become more and more a part of our lives, to the point we have today flooded our homes with wi fi, microwaves Ipads phones etc etc etc and over the last 40 year's certain illnesses have increased hugely.So for that reason I keep my tin foil on and continue my research.I welcome anybody here to show me some evidence about EMF'S from electric vehicles every day being safe for our bodies.Hydro power seem's to be stamped out by the Elite.. shame, I would have thought that safer.

Apparently the majority don't die from emfs.

Shouldn't we ask for the evidence that many DO die from emfs.

Plenty of media have postulated the argument but no peak medical body has pronounced on it other than to suggest that you don't hold your phone to your ear for extended periods of time talking.

Don't we already have emfs associated with the modern ignition systems?.

If we are in danger why do we not hear anything confirming it ?.

Is it another giant conspiracy of silence perhaps?.

In Victoria we have an anti wind farm Wuabra group who are convinced that they suffer from a malady (infrasound) and of course they reject anything that doesn't confirm it exists.

Further boring reading

http://www.engineerlive.com/content/24849

The wife works with the FDA. So I stand by my point of view.

My friend is a physist so I stand by my point of view.

Horszt is a close friend who spoke at Geneva. His research and proof of EMF led to he and his wife being silenced and fleeing to a location U wont disclose.

And that makes me wary of what we are told without evidence.

I have seen evidence so I make my opinion based on that.

Did i mention Horszt has a Tesla machine and showed me things that blew my way of thinking away.

Anyway, I could be wrong but I trust my silenced friend for now .

EMF's are unavoidable, the amount we subject ourselves to is not. 10 years of research makes me wary.

Everybodies opinion important.

Right, off to fit my boost guage.

Edited 21 January, 20179 yr by Graffiti

Everyone dies of something and some are long and horrible deaths.

Asbestos is not nice stuff, pollution in the air from vehicle fumes and other fumes is horrible, smoking and maybe even vaping can cause a horrible death.

Drinking and not drinking, and drugs and salt and fat and not the right fat and all that stuff.

 

Sleeping near the cables behind the headboard, or under electric pylons, maybe near a mobile phone might cause issues with the brain.

 

Bl00dy weird place living on earth so you might as well enjoy it.

You are near enough the Nuclear Waste getting flown out of Wick back to the USA so you number could be up anytime soon if one of those planes come down on you..

 

Happy days.

http://greenerscotland.org/greener-travel/greener-driving/charge-point-map

 

'Grants & Funding'  Electric Vehicle Interest free loans.

http://greenerscotland.org/greener-travel/greener-driving/grants-and-funding

http://mygov.scot/electric-vehicle-loan-scotland

I am thinking it is another selling point of a house to have the type2 charger already fitted to the garage/house. Worth £500 and possibly worth something to an increasing number of potential buyers. Money for nothing and your Kws for free. Sometimes.