Testing has revealed that my manual gearboxed car

 

DOES have the hill hold. Car stays stationary 

on a hill in neutral for a short time if the footbrake is pressed and the handbrake is released BUT it is even more tricky than using the hand brake in the traditional BSM hill start mode. Unless otherwise convinced, I'll use the handbrake for hill starts. The hill hold technique seems rather rushed for an oldie like me,

What's tricky about pressing brake pedal, press down clutch, slip it into first, lift foot off brake and lift clutch and apply some throttle as normal, with no roll back and no need to touch hand brake.

The ford focus I learnt to drive in had hill hold with a manual and after a couple of goes i was used to it :) pretty easy to usereally.

 

not had it in a car since i passed 5 years ago however :P

Worse is when you're trying to reverse - it used to do my head in trying to parallel park on a steep hill.

Trying to reverse you come off the brake and find resistance from the s*dding auto hold - it then comes off and the car can lurch unless you are ready for it. Really not good in very tight spaces.

Seriously what's wrong with a handbrake or slipping the clutch? Totally unnecessary system imho.

This was on a 2013 so might have got a lot better. If I had kept the car after the pcp it would have been one of the things I'd have tried to disable.

Handbrake?

I only ever use that when I've parked up.

There's no technique. Foot on brake til you're ready to move. Take foot off brake, raise clutch and pull off. The hill hold period is only there to give you enough time to take your foot off the pedal engage the clutch and pull away. No handbrake needed. Using that is even more work.

Embrace change grandad :(

Or just ride the clutch while waiting. No need to use the brake :p

the older system really was much lurchier. I don't notice this one unless I'm looking for it (and it's really rather good when parking on a hill). I've turned it off on the Fi as it was way too intrusive, the Octy system is pretty good. You have about 1-2 seconds to engage the clutch, which should be fine.

I still use the handbrake a lot at traffic lights, but this does ease any rolling back.

 

 - Bret

Or just ride the clutch while waiting. No need to use the brake :p

Who is going to pay for the new clutch?

Orville?

Too soon?

Who is going to pay for the new clutch?

Well, My two last cars hade done over 140k km without needing a clutch replacemnt, and I used to ride the clutch alot.

The only car Ive ever had to change the clutch on was a mk2 golf with 360k km on the odometer.

As I said I've tried it. I didn't like brake releasing before I was ready to go. The car in front did not set off as expected and so a lurch ensured to stop my car rolling back. I'm used to the clutch biting before I release the handbrake- or not .