16 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

It is really poor of Skoda when you think that 3 years ago you could have a SEAT Leon Cupra with 265 ps or 280ps.

 

I think that's because VW wanted to align the SEAT brand as a kind of VAG Alfa Romeo ((ie sporty), whereas Skoda is sensible shoes.  

 

There's nothing sensible about a vRS. It's a loon with a loon in control.

I have to say I find the Octy vRS ( petrol even) feels to me just a bit sensible IMO.

 

Can't talk for remaps etc as I haven't done and that may redress the balance,

but coming from bikes with far better power/weight it doesn't really feel like its launching at slower speeds, but if you do keep the accelerator in it will get to decent speeds fairly quite enough, far faster than most roadgoing crap anyway.

 

However my Fabia vRS Tdi/BLT feels less restricted lower down IMO, it SEEMS as quick or at least more exciting in doing it ( this may be an illusion due to the torque band)

The Octy just feels quite a heavy car at slow speeds, nothing like a hooligan car at all ( its also more refined than my diesel ). I think it would need some modding for it to really give me that mentalist image, I don't get that impression of the car at all its more refined IMO.

 

That's not necessarily a bad thing by the way.

 

Interesting, my opinion is vice versa. Take into account it is rather big and heavy car (more then 1500kg is my RS230 on the road, without passengers), and it feels nothing close to it. Very easy to drive and has quite pointy steering. I was driving tuned Alfa Romeo before, similar size and weight, and this is comparable - although to be honest, nothing you buy Today will compare with AR traditional servo assisted steering wheel, nothing.

 

Acceleration is on the level as it is possible with front wheel driven car, you just can't transfer all that torque to the asphalt, but this applies all such a vehicles. TDI has this subjective feeling you get from turbo spool, which TSI has quite less, and it is that nice kick in the back. In reality this little spool isn't productive, but feels nice, so I know what do you mean.

 

Take into account that RS 230 and most probably RS 245, have significantly shorter gear ratio. It must be more fun to drive comparing to regular (v)RS. At 120km/h RS should be around 2100rpm, while RS230 is around 2600-2700 in final gear.

Truth of the matter is VW Group do not care about any SKODA Motorsport Success's or Sporting Heritage.

Just sell them Sporty looks more show than go and fit some tech that is kicking around from VW, Audi, SEAT and some will buy that and be happy enough.

 

Škoda flies under radar on that matter, but isn't really far behind. It aims different customers. Just take an example of myself, as I am actually a buyer of saloon car, it simply can't be "Golfalike" hatch. I need this boot behind, this is not negotiable. If I can get in this framework of needs, what I now want, like VAQ LSD, like decent turbo engine, like DCC, like perfect short shifting manual gearbox, then I gotten myself perfect daily car.

 

Performance vise, officially, Octavia 3 RS is just 1 second slower then Golf 7 GTI on Nürburgring. This is nothing, in the range of statistical error on track of such a length.

 

258.	VW Golf GTI (Mk VII 230 PS)	Horst von Saurma	8:29.00	230 / 1351
259.	Maserati Coupe Cambiocorsa	unknown	8:30.00	390 / 1580
260.	VW Scirocco R	Hans Joachim Stuck	8:30.00	265 / 1289
261.	Skoda Octavia RS (5E)	unknown	8:30.00	220 / 1350
262.	Giulietta Quadrifoglio Verde	unknown	8:30.39	235 / 1450
263.	Cadillac STS-V	unknown	8:31.00	476 / 1948

 

Don't underestimate RS badge here. It's actually quite a compliment that such a fast car is in the same time perfect family saloon. With DCC it is so comfortable on 19".

I'd suggest VW are probably more interested in what their customers think of the Škoda product than Seat given that Škoda vastly outsells Seat globally. To say they just get the scraps from the VW parts bin isn't accurate. They get the kit that fits the price point. 

Its a compliment its definitely within its peers as you say.

Interesting though that the Cupra is closer to 8 mins, even the R is nowhere close, why ?

Presumably there is some modification behind those figures ( also potential moderation) so comparing them may be difficult.

 

Bikes are banned/ largely excluded so very few times, except for the fastest bike one ! 7min10 - I'm pretty sure Litre superbikes even 10 yr old like the one I just sold should easily manage sub 8 mins if ridden well on clean track.

 

So In regard to feeling fast after having availabilty to 0-60 3 sec range to really feel the car is launching and forcing me about.

I'd have to have a car on stage 2 to really start to even approach to get the same feeling ? Or a far, far more expensive car than an Octavia to be honest to get that same low acceleration, do you understand ? If you have never had that kind of performance you might not.

 

Cars just don't "feel" fast to me, probably because they aren't when compared to something like even my old bike except in relative terms to most other (slow) cars on public roads at least.

However on top end speed ( more than low down acceleration) clearly this is where the Octy is extremely capable and works so well on track like Nordshieffe.....take a shorter track however and stuff like Lotus Elise will run rings around it.

I notice DCC seems to have disappeared from the options in the Configurator.....and the 245 is still not on CarWow.

Glad my new order has DCC then or should I be afraid its got safety issues ?

 

WTF I'm gonna rag the full Muslim (****te) outta it anyways

2 hours ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Glad my new order has DCC then or should I be afraid its got safety issues ?

I reckon it's just a configurator configuration issue, unless anyone knows differently.

245 is on CarWow now (with colours and options).