Make your Superb superb

[Cotswold]

Just wanting to share what I did to make my Superb (3T Facelift Elegance) properly superb.

First was to replace the standard 18" wheels with 16" off a brand new Octavia. Managed to sell the old 18" on eBay for what I paid for the new 16" on eBay.

Big advantages are that the Michelin Climate Control tyres I then fitted are much cheaper, offer all-season traction and most importantly, the ride quality over the broken roads of Gloucestershire is greatly improved at speed. Around town, the difference is less noticeable. Mpg is also up slightly due to narrower tyre.

Next thing was to fix what I thought was lots of door rattles. Turns out from reading your posts, that it was actually the doors seals. Two applications of Autoglym Vinyl & Rubber care and the difference is huge. Car is totally silent and with the improved ride and no door seal noises, sounds like a real quality machine.

The final item I have not been able to sort, the hill starts. On gentle slopes the DSG works fine with the 2.0D, as long as the STOP/START is turned OFF (otherwise they don't play well together). But on steep hills the car needs Hill Hold Control, which is what my older Yeti had and it works great. Reading BRISKODA, I found links to a VW owners site with the likely byte long-code to turn it ON/OFF (with VCDS etc).

Local Skoda dealer engineer showed me that the byte address exists but is unlabelled in his system. Local VW independent specialist says he can change the byte, but no idea what effect will be and just sometimes it leads to trouble with other systems. So, I'm using old-school handbrake which seems silly with the DSG.

Strange Hill Hold Control did not come on a 2014 DSG Elegance Superb in the first place....

 

[gav_is_con]

8 hours ago, Cotswold said:

Just wanting to share what I did to make my Superb (3T Facelift Elegance) properly superb.

First was to replace the standard 18" wheels with 16" off a brand new Octavia. Managed to sell the old 18" on eBay for what I paid for the new 16" on eBay.

Big advantages are that the Michelin Climate Control tyres I then fitted are much cheaper, offer all-season traction and most importantly, the ride quality over the broken roads of Gloucestershire is greatly improved at speed. Around town, the difference is less noticeable. Mpg is also up slightly due to narrower tyre.

Next thing was to fix what I thought was lots of door rattles. Turns out from reading your posts, that it was actually the doors seals. Two applications of Autoglym Vinyl & Rubber care and the difference is huge. Car is totally silent and with the improved ride and no door seal noises, sounds like a real quality machine.

The final item I have not been able to sort, the hill starts. On gentle slopes the DSG works fine with the 2.0D, as long as the STOP/START is turned OFF (otherwise they don't play well together). But on steep hills the car needs Hill Hold Control, which is what my older Yeti had and it works great. Reading BRISKODA, I found links to a VW owners site with the likely byte long-code to turn it ON/OFF (with VCDS etc).

Local Skoda dealer engineer showed me that the byte address exists but is unlabelled in his system. Local VW independent specialist says he can change the byte, but no idea what effect will be and just sometimes it leads to trouble with other systems. So, I'm using old-school handbrake which seems silly with the DSG.

Strange Hill Hold Control did not come on a 2014 DSG Elegance Superb in the first place....

 

Any pictures of how your ride looks now?

Contemplating doing the same, myself. 

 

How much extra MPG are you talking, is that by the car computer ?

Do you have 205/55/16's now?

Where are you getting Cross Climates from and how much are they?

 

I am very much on the same page as you about the wheels and using Cross Climates rather than keep a spare set of winter wheels. 

 

 

[superbdreams]

I should be able to turn hill hold on for you if your car has the requisite parts (which I can tell you with a scan)

[Zukabak]

As Superbdreams says above, as long as your car has the requisite ABS module, then you can enable Hill Hold Control and XDS (electronic diff lock) with a couple of clicks in VCDS.  

[silver1011]

Little wheels and deep tyres are the future!

 

 

[Cotswold]

I got the first lot of tyres from Blackcircles, had them delivered to my home. Then took them to favourate local garage for fitting and alignment (they don't fit directly for Blackcircles as they don't get paid enough per tyre).

For another car where I did not need alignment, I actually used the Kwikfit home fit service (a van comes round). Actually found the guy pretty good and helpful.

Regarding MPG, according the trip computer, I'm getting around 2-3 MPG better than with the wide 18". Of course, if the roads were table smooth, I might think otherwise, but these days of budget cuts, there are cracks and pot holes everywhere.

[silver1011]

Get some wheel nut caps to cover your locking wheel nuts ready for winter, you don't want salt and dirt sat in the key ridges.

 

You need the ones on the left...

 

[Cotswold]

Good man! In fact, I had wondered about that and not had time to look up the parts.

 

Regarding the VCDS, when I have some time, I might contact Superdreams, thanks also.

[silver1011]

Part number: 1Z0 601 173 A Z37.

 

The 'A' is important as without it you'll get the caps for the non-locking wheel nuts.

 

This Skoda dealer is being rather cheeky, I paid £0.80p each over the counter...

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-SKODA-LOCKING-WHEEL-BOLT-CAP-1Z0601173AZ37-/331752721568

[Cotswold]

Similar to these, which are much cheaper direct from Skoda

http://www.skodaparts.com/product/octavia-a5-locking-wheel-bolt-cap-2004-2013-31600

 

[kevberlin]

40 minutes ago, Cotswold said:

I got the first lot of tyres from Blackcircles, had them delivered to my home. Then took them to favourate local garage for fitting and alignment (they don't fit directly for Blackcircles as they don't get paid enough per tyre).

For another car where I did not need alignment, I actually used the Kwikfit home fit service (a van comes round). Actually found the guy pretty good and helpful.

Regarding MPG, according the trip computer, I'm getting around 2-3 MPG better than with the wide 18". Of course, if the roads were table smooth, I might think otherwise, but these days of budget cuts, there are cracks and pot holes everywhere.

The very same wheel/tyre combination as on my 2013 FL Superb Greenline SE. They are excellent in my opinion for many practical reasons.

[silver1011]

Is it just me or does anybody else want to go out and scrape the rubber mark off the rim of the alloy with their thumb 

[gav_is_con]

11 hours ago, Cotswold said:

I got the first lot of tyres from Blackcircles, had them delivered to my home. Then took them to favourate local garage for fitting and alignment (they don't fit directly for Blackcircles as they don't get paid enough per tyre).

For another car where I did not need alignment, I actually used the Kwikfit home fit service (a van comes round). Actually found the guy pretty good and helpful.

Regarding MPG, according the trip computer, I'm getting around 2-3 MPG better than with the wide 18". Of course, if the roads were table smooth, I might think otherwise, but these days of budget cuts, there are cracks and pot holes everywhere.

Mark 3 Octy wheels, they are very nice. 

Roughly what does a Cross Climate come in at per tyre ?

I can get them fitted no problem locally

Trying to keep OE for the age of car, so it's considered less of a mod. Original Superb mk2 alloys very hard to come by. 

[bigjohn]

Loving the Crossclimates on mine (Spectrum alloys and 205/55/16 ) - Smooth ride and very quiet indeed and stick like glue to the road, also amazing in the wet (rather tested on a very very wet journey recently - road like a river) .  Early days - but economy me be slightly improved as well

Edited 24 May, 2017 by bigjohn

[Cotswold]

12 hours ago, gav_is_con said:

Mark 3 Octy wheels, they are very nice. 

Roughly what does a Cross Climate come in at per tyre ?

I can get them fitted no problem locally

Trying to keep OE for the age of car, so it's considered less of a mod. Original Superb mk2 alloys very hard to come by. 

I paid 260 for the 4 tyres (including delivery and VAT).

Got the wheels on ebay for 250, almost new. They came with tyres, but as they were not Cross Climates, I had them taken off and kept them (you never know!)

[gav_is_con]

13 minutes ago, Cotswold said:

I paid 260 for the 4 tyres (including delivery and VAT).

Got the wheels on ebay for 250, almost new. They came with tyres, but as they were not Cross Climates, I had them taken off and kept them (you never know!)

Thanks for that. Seems like a good price. Costco were doing them a while back fitted for around that. A colleague had them fitted and I knew they were a bargain at the time. I thought I would ever see that price again when I might need some. Still have life in my Nokians but this 2 sets of wheels is a headache on my Octy. Plus they have not had much bad weather action the last few years. 

[Cotswold]

On 23/05/2017 at 20:49, silver1011 said:

Get some wheel nut caps to cover your locking wheel nuts ready for winter, you don't want salt and dirt sat in the key ridges.

 

You need the ones on the left...

 

Could I just confirm. For the Superb 2014 the bolt caps (not for the locking nut is 1Z0 601 173 Z37) as shown by Silver1011. But the label on the other bag (of the covers for the locking nuts) seems to have the same part number (in the photo). But I think the part number might be 4F0601173AZ37, for these locking bolt covers, same as Octavia ?

[silver1011]

I'm pretty sure the all important difference is the 'A' in the part number.

[PeteJ80]

On 2017-5-23 at 14:46, superbdreams said:

I should be able to turn hill hold on for you if your car has the requisite parts (which I can tell you with a scan)

Can you please  tell me what the parts are so I can look on VCDS? Thanks 

[superbdreams]

read this thread and follow links if appropriate

 

[Cotswold]

On ‎21‎/‎06‎/‎2017 at 19:22, PeteJ80 said:

Can you please  tell me what the parts are so I can look on VCDS? Thanks 

Did you ever activate HHC?

 

I've just borrowed a VCDS and downloaded the following info. But my brake module HW and SW seem newer (BM) than posted in other threads, so not sure if can support HHC or not.

 

Address 03: ABS Brakes (J104)       Labels:. 1K0-907-379-60EC1F.clb
   Part No SW: 1K0 907 379 BM    HW: 1K0 907 379 BM
   Component: ESP MK60EC1   H46 0164 
   Revision: 00H46001   
   Coding: 863D6016092600FB610C06E690220092A0000023
   Shop #: WSC 33361 790 00085
   VCID: 7EF9CF84E962D1B6E3-802A

 

[MikeHig]

Several posters have mentioned Michelin Cross-Climates. This is a copy of a comment I put on another thread:

Although these tyres carry the "Alps" marking of winter tyres, in my experience (I spend quite a few weeks in the Alps each winter) they do not match the performance of proper winter tyres. I would put their performance on snow and ice at about 60-70% of a proper snow tyre.

Also, last year I learnt that they were not recognised by the French police: I was obliged to put chains on to get up to a resort. I didn't argue as I doubted the tyres would make it anyhow.

Reviews I have read favoured the Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons Gen 2 for an all-season tyre and the Conti Wintersport TS 860 for a full winter tyre.

Of course if you are unlikely to do much driving on snow/ice, the Cross-Climates would be fine for the usual UK wet and cold. I found they felt quite sharp in handling terms as well. My solution was to use them on the front (driven) wheels for most of the year with snow tyres on the rears and swap them round for winter.

[vborovic]

On 5/23/2017 at 18:07, Zukabak said:

As Superbdreams says above, as long as your car has the requisite ABS module, then you can enable Hill Hold Control and XDS (electronic diff lock) with a couple of clicks in VCDS.  

 

Did the first one my self, can't remember the exact steps, but I think I first enabled somewhere the Hill Hold feature (likely coding part) and then actually enabled the Hill Hold in the Adaptation... tested on the road, holds in both directions up to 3 seconds after a complete stop and releasing the brake pedal, then slowly looses it (won't hold forever, like my previous C5 MK3 - also enabled the thing) ... if I remember correctly, under the ABS module? The second thing that I've managed to stumble upon is the differential lock. Excuse my lack of knowledge, fairly new to the VAGs 4x4 Haldex system ... in theory, it works that the rear axle gets engaged if slip occurs (like snow) and then you should get extra traction to the road, right? ... make sense ... but that's rather rare in normal driving conditions ... enabling the XDS means that you get a full time 4x4, or is it something else that makes it interesting?

Edited 28 January, 2018 by vborovic
used wrong term

[HughGabriel]

6 hours ago, vborovic said:

 

Did the first one my self, can't remember the exact steps, but I think I first enabled somewhere the Hill Hold feature (likely coding part) and then actually enabled the Hill Hold in the Adaptation... tested on the road, holds in both directions up to 3 seconds after a complete stop and releasing the brake pedal, then slowly looses it (won't hold forever, like my previous C5 MK3 - also enabled the thing) ... if I remember correctly, under the ABS module? The second thing that I've managed to stumble upon is the differential lock. Excuse my lack of knowledge, fairly new to the VAGs 4x4 Haldex system ... in theory, it works that the rear axle gets engaged if slip occurs (like snow) and then you should get extra traction to the road, right? ... make sense ... but that's rather rare in normal driving conditions ... enabling the XDS means that you get a full time 4x4, or is it something else that makes it interesting?

 

Both XDS and hill hold are in module 9 which is the ABS and both can be enabled via the coding with long code helper. 

 

XDS is just an electronic pseudo-diff, it works by braking the spinning wheel so that the standard open diff transfers some power to the other wheel. I don’t know anything about the Halfex system so can’t help how XDS works in conjunction with it. 

[vborovic]

12 hours ago, HughGabriel said:

 

Both XDS and hill hold are in module 9 which is the ABS and both can be enabled via the coding with long code helper. 

 

Tried, I guess in my case I have an older ABS module or whatever, and that is not available to me (I even tried coding the Differential in the CAN Gateway, nothing changed) ... so, any chance for an software upgrade, or would I have to change the entire ABS control module?

 

Forgot to add, the ABS ID data that VCDS can see (in case it sheds some light):

 

	Address 03: ABS Brakes

	Control Module Part Number: 3T0 907 379 C

	Component and/or Version: ESP MK60EC1   H35 0104

	Software Coding: 843D801619230001210E01E698220041EB00

	Work Shop Code: WSC 35110

	VCID: 3D76E2B6A4EAEEA9C2-8068



	Advanced Identification

	     Identification: TT1-000

	     Revision: 00H35001

	     Date: 11.07.08

	     Manufacturer number: 0101

	     Test stand number: 0156

	Flash Status

	     Programming Attempts(application): 0

	     Successful Attempts(application): 0



	[/CODE]

 

Edited 29 January, 2018 by vborovic
clarification