So, the much anticipated (?) i30N has been revealed as a rival to the Focus/Golf monopoly on the hot hatch market. I personally have been following the developments over the last 12 months, and reckon for the price, they could be on to a winner. Can't see it being a rival to the Octavia range (different class), but it's certainly an interesting prospect.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hyundai-i30n-launched-full-details-271bhp-hot-hatch

Edited 13 July, 20178 yr by octyal

Hmm I'm sure it's a wee cracker but that styling just doesn't float my boat. And IMHO that's a bad colour. Gunmetal grey would have looked with the red highlights.

Interior looks nice if a little fussy with buttons everywhere but that's the Asian style.

15 hours ago, Aspman said:

Hmm I'm sure it's a wee cracker but that styling just doesn't float my boat. And IMHO that's a bad colour. Gunmetal grey would have looked with the red highlights.

Interior looks nice if a little fussy with buttons everywhere but that's the Asian style.

 

+1 on the colour choice - looks like blu tak to me   not sure what the other options will be, hopefully a nice black pack will be offered with some fancy carbon trims......I quite like the understated looks, not keen on big wings and spoilers everywhere, too max power

That'll be a good buy for about 5k in 3 years time - just like a Ceed GT.

 

Apart from the hideous Hyundai interiors that would put you off anyway.

 

If you want a Golf class car, buy a Golf.

 

 

Edited 14 July, 20178 yr by camelspyyder

Anyplace or anyone still flogging Kia Ceed Gt's for £5,000 or have they all been snapped up?

 

If the head of VW had kept sniffing around Hyundai's with the yes men and learning to make cars that made a profit without cheating he might still have a job and might not be facing prosecution, might still have VW needing cars homologated for rallying.

 

Edited 14 July, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

Perhaps Hyundai have secured some ex Skoda (VW) Engineers for their Czech Production Plant, gaining some of the Skoda Rallying knowledge for the next venture of development of this i30N.

Don't forget Hyundai success with the WRC i20N

Edited 15 July, 20178 yr by vrskeith

How many actually buy cars because they are fast around the Nurburgring or in the WRC?

 

Hyundai interiors are yuk.  I was very interested in the i30 but didn't even take the test drive after sitting inside it and realising how horrid the dash was.

You can look at this model when released and maybe dismiss it as well then.

Just as well everyone does not like the same cars or there would be no choices and just as well that they are not all great for holding value or there would be no 'Much Cheapness' nearly new cars and ex demonstrators around for enthusiasts and others to buy.

 

I had a new i30 1.6TD leased (motability) for less than a year.

The power was great especially with the A/C on which had a peculiar affect on the autobox around town seeming to put it in an aggressive sport mode, but was perfect for 'push to pass' on climbs as a crawler lane ran out. It did rather good economy.

Crap eco tyres though and almost impossible to get moving in snow even with TC off and it needed to go in reverse to go straight and not have ESP / ABS putting the brakes on.

The wheels corroded in the first few months and the discs were badly corroded in the same time, then replaced and rotten again just as quick and i rejected it.

The interior was just as i liked and why i chose it in the first place, that and for the economy.

 

PS

Just checked its MOT History. 

Low mileage car SP09 XFN

No surprise failures and advisories on Tyres / Brake pads.

Edited 15 July, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

Odd one on SP09 XFN shows as a petrol which it was not as when i put in petrol by mistake it cost a lot to have that sorted...

Edited 15 July, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

2 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

How many actually buy cars because they are fast around the Nurburgring or in the WRC?

 

Hyundai interiors are yuk.  I was very interested in the i30 but didn't even take the test drive after sitting inside it and realising how horrid the dash was.

Each to their own I guess , as George rightly points out.

Good to see George that you were ,as always ahead of your time ,with your mixed fuelled car. Classic of it's time ,gives another meaning to Hybrid !!lol

I have not seen the interior of that older (2009) i30, but the more modern one is not good - confusing switch layout and stank of cheap plastic.

 

My '86 Hyundai had a nicer interior

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 July, 20178 yr by camelspyyder

Kia and Hyundai interiors have come a long way and in the last couple of years I've never had any issue with them, layout or quality wise, in the hire cars I've seen.

 

The N looks a good package and hope it does well

On 7/13/2017 at 16:48, octyal said:

So, the much anticipated (?) i30N has been revealed as a rival to the Focus/Golf monopoly on the hot hatch market. I personally have been following the developments over the last 12 months, and reckon for the price, they could be on to a winner. Can't see it being a rival to the Octavia range (different class), but it's certainly an interesting prospect.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/hyundai-i30n-launched-full-details-271bhp-hot-hatch

 

If one is going to by a Hyundai, or a Kia, then best buy one before BREXIT actually occurs as the Soth Korea-EU deal will disappear for the UK on March 29th 2019 so the price could well be going up around 10% after then!

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European Designers and European built (Continental Europe) ie the EU just like Suzuki's, Audi's etc so what has a South Korean deal got to do with Hyundai or Kia coming into the UK after BREXIT. CZ, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Austria etc.

Now if you are talking South Korean built ones or from other not EU world regions that is different.

http://hyundai-motor.cz/english.php?rubrika-kontakt 

Edited 16 July, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

10 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

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European Designers and European built (Continental Europe) ie the EU just like Suzuki's, Audi's etc so what has a South Korean deal got to do with Hyundai or Kia coming into the UK after BREXIT. CZ, Bulgaria, Romania, Slovakia, Hungary, Austria etc.

Now if you are talking South Korean built ones or from other not EU world regions that is different.

http://hyundai-motor.cz/english.php?rubrika-kontakt 

 

On March 30th 2019, unless the EU kindly let the UK extend its membership of the EU club, the UK will be outside the EU's single market and entitled to charges its own customs duty rate of cars from countries that are not Least Developed or Developing countries (LDDC) and I heard at an ACITA meeting, at which there were UK vehicle manufacturers, that the UK had offered the EU that it would adopt the EU external tariff, at least in the immediacy after BREXIT presumably to potentially help any Free Trade Agreement develop in the future.

 

10% is the customs duty rate for cars from developed countries so is the default to World Trade Organisation rules for "No Deal", which at the current lack of rate of progress is looking quite likely.  

 

Compound that with the perilous place that the UK pound may well be with the Euro, whether the big fall in the pound versus Euro is partially or fully factored in yet, and doing the maths could well see car prices snap 10% or more than currently are.  Bit less for Motorcycles as that duty rate is a bit less and of course the customs duty rate for some countries that produce cars for the UK is lower at 6.5% and even zero from some LDDC countries and UK would be expected to honour these lower duty rates as part of the WTO.  

 

UK could chose to charge less than the EU external customs tariff rates but would it if was getting stung at that rate on it Jags and Land Rovers (not the Defender as that is going to Slovakia anyways but the other models)?  

Edited 16 July, 20178 yr by lol-lol

Yes, so what about the "South Korea - EU agreement" that is disappearing that you mention in your post above my last one,  

and better get buying before BREXIT surely would apply to any cars / vehicles if the cars are built in the EU.

 

The same will apply to all the EU Built vehicles imported into the EU once the EU & UK decide what is happening.

George - leave it - it's just Lol-Lol bleating on about potential changes to import duties again, oh and Brexit...  that's all he seems to post these days (apart from how well off he is and how much he puts into his pension...)

On 13/07/2017 at 17:12, Aspman said:

Hmm I'm sure it's a wee cracker but that styling just doesn't float my boat. And IMHO that's a bad colour. Gunmetal grey would have looked with the red highlights.

Interior looks nice if a little fussy with buttons everywhere but that's the Asian style.

 

Agree about the colour but I quite like the styling (Peter Shreyer ex-Audi is doing a good job at Kia / Hyundai) and if it has any of the old M-car magic from Albert Biermann (ex-BMW) who joined Hyundai a while back it'll handle well too...

5 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

Yes, so what about the "South Korea - EU agreement" that is disappearing that you mention in your post above my last one,  

and better get buying before BREXIT surely would apply to any cars / vehicles if the cars are built in the EU.

 

The same will apply to all the EU Built vehicles imported into the EU once the EU & UK decide what is happening.

 

Yerp.

Jags and Discos and quasqui and leaf and some Lexus and civics and some Toyotas will look better relative value one might hope. Depending how many still produce here. JLR one might expect and hope, others may be only with tight cost control ie wages to overcome customs duty increase in their landed cost to the half billion in the EU?

10 hours ago, skomaz said:

George - leave it - it's just Lol-Lol bleating on about potential changes to import duties again, oh and Brexit...  that's all he seems to post these days (apart from how well off he is and how much he puts into his pension...)

 

Well it is my job to deal with BREXIT on virtually a day to day basis with my job as the customs compliance analyst for one of the largest logistics companies in the UK and the largest in France, top 5 in Europe so kind of close to the issues.

 

In my previous job I spent some time dealing with the imports for Kia/Hyundai and much of my work at the moment is helping companies plan for BREXIT.

 

If we want to treat ourselves to a nice car when one retires ie take that 25% tax free lump sum and buy a nice car for retirement it is important to build a good size pension pot but also protect it against the fallout of BREXIT ie invest plenty in oversea bonds which hedges against another big GB pound fall as we had after the BREXIT vote.

 

Had a nice ix35 when I was in Ireland a few weeks ago, and relative just acquired a Sportage, both OK but nothing special.  Lots of big challenges coming up for car retailers, about a 5% fall after the change in VED rules and now with the steep rise in inflation car sales are taking a hit..  http://www.cityam.com/267886/uk-car-sales-hit-brakes-and-fall-third-month-row

 

BREXIT may not be hitting life as someone in local government in Sheffield (is HS2 going to stop in Sheffield?) but it will affect as all as it is affecting all consumers as we are seeing via the re-emergence of inflation as we saw in 2010 to 2012 !   

 

 

Edited 17 July, 20178 yr by lol-lol

Could you not just answer what you were on about with the bit about the South Korean - Eu agreement which has nothing to do with Hyundai built in the Czech Republic.

 

Does your figures show that world wide for 2 years Skoda sell or built twice as many vehicles as JLR.

& that Hyundai / Kia world wide sell or build more than 4 times as many as Skoda.

 

Lets see what Tariffs are in place for cars built in the UK and sold in the UK or in the EU and imported to the UK, or imported from the rest of the world, 

and who might just start building in the UK for the home market because as small and insignificant as the UK is there are lots of new cars & other vehicles registered every year.

 

PS

Are buyers and leasers getting that many less cars, or are the likes of the Manufacturers cutting back on the cars they own and lease at great deals to Fleets / hire companies etc getting First Registrations then the supply of used cars that go on the UK market.

Pyramid Financing and money going around because of manufacturers borrowing money and lending money as they do.

The chickens coming home to roost as the leased / financed vehicles are not worth what they show on the balance sheets/

How many less vehicles are Motability Finance buying each quarter (biggest group buyer in the UK) as the UK Government have disabled people losing DLA /PIP and no longer eligible for a Lease Vehicle from Motability & having to maybe buy a used car as their current one is repossessed..

Edited 17 July, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

1 hour ago, Awayoffski said:

Could you not just answer what you were on about with the bit about the South Korean - Eu agreement which has nothing to do with Hyundai built in the Czech Republic.

Does your figures show that world wide for 2 years Skoda sell or built twice as many vehicles as JLR.  & that Hyundai / Kia world wide sell or build more than 4 times as many as Skoda.

Lets see what Tariffs are in place for cars built in the UK and sold in the UK or in the EU and imported to the UK, or imported from the rest of the world, 

and who might just start building in the UK for the home market because as small and insignificant as the UK is there are lots of new cars & other vehicles registered every year.

PS

Are buyers and leasers getting that many less cars, or are the likes of the Manufacturers cutting back on the cars they own and lease at great deals to Fleets / hire companies etc getting First Registrations then the supply of used cars that go on the UK market.

Pyramid Financing and money going around because of manufacturers borrowing money and lending money as they do.

The chickens coming home to roost as the leased / financed vehicles are not worth what they show on the balance sheets/

How many less vehicles are Motability Finance buying each quarter (biggest group buyer in the UK) as the UK Government have disabled people losing DLA /PIP and no longer eligible for a Lease Vehicle from Motability & having to maybe buy a used car as their current one is repossessed..

 

So the UK will decide on an External Customs tariff as since we are in a club one one, albeit if (N)Ireland, Scotland and Wales decide to go their own way one day in the next few years, and look to re-join the EU in some form, whether Hyundai and Kia cars are from CZ or KR they will pay the customs duty rate of the UK 's external tariff and as the UK is losing the EU Single Market benefits of access and UK consumers having to pay customs import processing and any import customs duties and VAT there will be a cost to wholesalers, retailers and customers.

 

As I mentioned I gather the UK has offered the EU to adopt their external tariff right after BREXIT with a view to vary it after BREXIT once the UK eventually strikes up its own trade deals.  The exception being where the UK is obliged under WTO GSP rules to give pref to LDDC countries and increasingly companies are using places like Vietnam, Indonesia and other such GSP countries.

 

Maybe the UK will adopt tariffs lower than the EU but I doubt it as it would further hamstring the UK who would already be facing all the extra costs of admin cost in to the EU anyways.           

I feel you two's in depth discussion is missing the main point about the car being a skanky colour.

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Well it is my job to deal with BREXIT on virtually a day to day basis with my job as the customs compliance analyst for one of the largest logistics companies in the UK and the largest in France, top 5 in Europe so kind of close to the issues.

 

In my previous job I spent some time dealing with the imports for Kia/Hyundai and much of my work at the moment is helping companies plan for BREXIT.

 

If we want to treat ourselves to a nice car when one retires ie take that 25% tax free lump sum and buy a nice car for retirement it is important to build a good size pension pot but also protect it against the fallout of BREXIT ie invest plenty in oversea bonds which hedges against another big GB pound fall as we had after the BREXIT vote.

 

Had a nice ix35 when I was in Ireland a few weeks ago, and relative just acquired a Sportage, both OK but nothing special.  Lots of big challenges coming up for car retailers, about a 5% fall after the change in VED rules and now with the steep rise in inflation car sales are taking a hit..  http://www.cityam.com/267886/uk-car-sales-hit-brakes-and-fall-third-month-row

 

BREXIT may not be hitting life as someone in local government in Sheffield (is HS2 going to stop in Sheffield?) but it will affect as all as it is affecting all consumers as we are seeing via the re-emergence of inflation as we saw in 2010 to 2012 !   

 

 

 

So once again you post a lot about Brexit and your situation but very little about the i30N which was the point of this thread.

 

And just what makes you think I work for local Government in Sheffield and able to pass comment about my situation??

'Look at me colours' were great with Mk1 & Mk2 Escorts,

and Ford have their 'brand' Blue, so do Subaru still,  Volvo / Polestar have Swedish Racing Green (blue) even Honda have a 'Blue' & VW / Audi that sort of says 'quick car'.

So Baby Blue will be a choice that Hyundai thought would catch the public attention and maybe not have men think Fiat 500.

 

Better IMO than look at me Orange or Green that Ford / VW-Audi etc do when wanting Internet / magazine space.