I went to park up my Yeti on a hill (1.2L DSG Petrol) and normally on slopes, it engages the clutch and then moves away very slowly. However, on this slope (it can't have been much steeper than any usual one I drive up) I felt the clutch engage and the car was held in its place and then rolled back without moving forwards. This happened in reverse too. However, once the clutch engaged, if I gave it a slight touch of gas, the car did slowly move forwards or backwards.

 

Is this normal?

 

I see a lot of people recommend not to creep without gas anyway as it causes excess wear to the clutch, but I'd like to know if it is performing as it should be.

 

Cheers

Not quite sure what you mean. 

An auto DSG doesn't have a clutch. Automatic gearboxes work on valves and are far more refined. 

Also, there's a common misunderstanding that cars with automatic gearboxes can't roll backwards on a slope. They can, will, and do! 

If you're on a slope and have unwanted movement, then either use the Park setting,  footbrake or handbrake to resolve it. 

The ONLY car I've ever had with an anti-creep mechanism was a Mk2 (Inspector Morse type)  Jag. That had a system whereby once you pressed the brake pedal on a slope or hill, the car stayed where it was until you next touched the accelerator pedal. 

But I doubt the Yeti has anything like that. 

Edited 15 August, 20178 yr by FurryFriend

It does have a clutch. An automated one.

I think you have slightly misunderstood me!

 

Sounds OK to me - "hill start" stops you rolling back back when you pull away. Pressing the footbrake firmly disengages the drive. All normal but what you wouldn't want to do is sit stationary on a hill allowing the "creep" to hold you. That's my take on it anyway

p.s. - as I understand it the DSG is effectively 2 gearboxes (odd and even gears) and 2 clutches, clever stuff eh....

Edited 15 August, 20178 yr by longedge

Just now, longedge said:

Sounds OK to me - "hill start" stops you rolling back back when you pull away. Pressing the footbrake firmly disengages the drive. All normal but what you wouldn't want to do is sit stationary on a hill allowing the "creep" to hold you. That's my take on it anyway

p.s. - as I understand it the DSG is effectively 2 gearboxes (odd and even gears) and 2 clutches, clever stuff eh....

Does your car creep up steep hills? Mine has no problem on level ground, but many have told me that I am expecting too much of the car to ask it to creep uphill.

What is your experience?

To be honest I don't know. All I can say is that if I'm stationary on a hill, then I have my foot on the brake. When I take it off to transfer to the accelerator, "hill start" does it job and I move off without any roll-back. I just wouldn't consider sitting on a hill and not accelerating.

Just now, longedge said:

To be honest I don't know. All I can say is that if I'm stationary on a hill, then I have my foot on the brake. When I take it off to transfer to the accelerator, "hill start" does it job and I move off without any roll-back. I just wouldn't consider sitting on a hill and not accelerating.

Okay, that does make a lot of sense. I don't usually do it on hills, it is just that the car is very new to me (a couple of weeks) and I've been trying every thing and seeing how it all works.

Cheers for the help

I suppose that to some extent it's down to what you call a hill. My wife's uncle lives in Bedford and he hates driving when he comes to Derbyshire (where we've got some 'proper' hills)

58 minutes ago, FurryFriend said:

Not quite sure what you mean. 

An auto DSG doesn't have a clutch. Automatic gearboxes work on valves and are far more refined. 

Also, there's a common misunderstanding that cars with automatic gearboxes can't roll backwards on a slope. They can, will, and do! 

If you're on a slope and have unwanted movement, then either use the Park setting,  footbrake or handbrake to resolve it. 

The ONLY car I've ever had with an anti-creep mechanism was a Mk2 (Inspector Morse type)  Jag. That had a system whereby once you pressed the brake pedal on a slope or hill, the car stayed where it was until you next touched the accelerator pedal. 

But I doubt the Yeti has anything like that. 

 

Think you are wrong about a DSG gearbox. They do have clutches, in fact 2 of them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-shift_gearbox

Automatic gearboxes with valves are the fluid type with a torque converter and are totally different to what is fitted to a Yeti.

Edited 15 August, 20178 yr by Llanigraham

Oh well, there we go. Thanks. I have learned something too. I'm 70 so have an excuse 

Still would  never trust an auto not to roll though. 

Need to be careful though as not all variants with dsg have hill hold. I did my test drive in a Monte Carlo with the 150ps engine and dsg. With this car you had to use the hand brake to stop it rolling backwards in a hill start. Very difficult to drive smoothly.

Just now, kenfowler3966 said:

Need to be careful though as not all variants with dsg have hill hold. I did my test drive in a Monte Carlo with the 150ps engine and dsg. With this car you had to use the hand brake to stop it rolling backwards in a hill start. Very difficult to drive smoothly.

My dealer told me ALL dsg equipped cars come with hill hold? My SE model seems to.

2 hours ago, Llanigraham said:

 

Automatic gearboxes with valves are the fluid type with a torque converter and are totally different to what is fitted to a Yeti.

 

Indeed - and even they have clutches to engage or disengage the planetary gearset (as well as the torque converter for idling).

 

To the OP, I would not expect the DSG to creep uphill at idle - that's quite a big ask of the engine at low revs.  I'd guess that the DSG will release the clutch to prevent the engine stalling.

As the Monte Carlo is based on the city Yeti, it does not have hill hold as standard. The car I was given to test drive to see if I wanted to order an SEL 150 dsg, did not have it. For some bizarre reason the city spec was not thought to need it. Personally I think it is near essential and I found that car quite hard to drive off on a steep hill, and a lot less easy to drive than the car I now have.

1 minute ago, kenfowler3966 said:

As the Monte Carlo is based on the city Yeti, it does not have hill hold as standard. The car I was given to test drive to see if I wanted to order an SEL 150 dsg, did not have it. For some bizarre reason the city spec was not thought to need it. Personally I think it is near essential and I found that car quite hard to drive off on a steep hill, and a lot less easy to drive than the car I now have.

What an odd reason to leave out a fairly important feature

I'm pretty sure that our 2017 Drive model doesn't have Hill Hold. Just checked the brochure that we used when buying, and according to that, on new cars it was only fitted to the SEL spec and above.  In fact there's nothing about the Drive model in the 2016 brochure at all as it hadn't been announced when printed, so no surprise really.  

 

I actually posted the Drive Specs on here back in January after getting  them from our dealer....Just looked at them.  Nothing there either. 

So who says the SE models have Hill Hold? Think your dealer is mistaken, unless he knows something we don't? 

But whether it does or doesn't I wouldn't want to labour either the engine or gearbox in any way, so for me, it's neutral and handbrake on hills if I need to stop. It's no different imho to 'riding the clutch'.... A habit that wrecks most clutches in no time much to the amazement of drivers who do it! 

Edited 15 August, 20178 yr by FurryFriend

3 minutes ago, FurryFriend said:

I'm pretty sure that our 2017 Drive model doesn't have Hill Hold. Just checked the brochure that we used when buying, and it's very vague about it. In fact there's nothing about the Drive model in the 2016 brochure at all as it hadn't been announced when printed, so no surprise really.  

 

I actually posted the Drive Specs on here back in January after getting  them from our dealer.... Nothing there either. 

So who says the SE models have Hill Hold? 

But whether it does or doesn't I wouldn't want to labour either the engine or gearbox in any way, so for me, it's neutral and handbrake on hills if I need to stop. 

I know how hill hold works, so I know my car has it.

Speaking of labouring the engine, my car seems to labour the engine a lot, by selecting 6th gear at about 30MPH, the engine seems to really not like it and it takes a firm press on the gas to change down to 5th and then it goes above the 30 limit...argh!

I know it is to increase fuel economy and reduce emissions, but I only get 30ish MPG as it is anyway, so it wouldn't make much difference to me.

Ouch. 30'ish mpg.. We get an average of 42.7mpg round town, and slightly over 50mpg on long journeys, as posted a few weeks ago. 

The vehicle is just brilliant. Love it. 

Just now, FurryFriend said:

Ouch. 30'ish mpg.. We get an average of 42.7mpg round town, and slightly over 50mpg on long journeys, as posted a few weeks ago. 

The vehicle is just brilliant. Love it. 

To be fair I have only had it for 2 weeks, but it often drops below 30 for some reason. I do mostly short journeys, which may be why.

I found on my  2.0L diesel Yeti I got 50+mpg all the time...

Does yours change up quite early? Mine struggles at 30 in 6th a lot.

30mph in 6th seems wrong, even in a 7-speed box.

 

My 2.0 diesel (more low down torque than your 1.2T petrol) has the 6-speed DSG and top gear is 32mph/1000rpm.  It stays in 4th at 30mph, changes up to 5th at 32 and up to 6th at 38.

Just now, philbes said:

30mph in 6th seems wrong, even in a 7-speed box.

 

My 2.0 diesel (more low down torque than your 1.2T petrol) has the 6-speed DSG and top gear is 32mph/1000rpm.  It stays in 4th at 30mph, changes up to 5th at 32 and up to 6th at 38.

It seems to change up quicker the more lightly I press the throttle. Usually I can get it to stick in 5th at 30, but if it goes anything above that, even 1mph, it goes into 6th.

Obviously if I drive the car harder it holds onto gears.

I am wondering if a DSG reset would sort this? My local specialist would do it for me for cheap.

However, I suspect that it is just how the box is mapped. Most people tell me theirs is in 7th by 30-35mph...

It just bugs me that the car feels like it is labouring a lot when it goe sinto 6th at that speed. 5th is fine.

I think being retired, plus my very gentle Size 11 on the pedal is our secret . 

 

To be honest I barely notice when it changes up or down. After getting rid of a people carrier that drank petrol we are quids in. 

Edited 15 August, 20178 yr by FurryFriend

Just now, FurryFriend said:

I think my very gentle Size 11 on the pedal is our secret . 

To be honest I barely notice when it changes up or down. After getting rid of a people carrier that drank petrol we are quids in. 

Do me a favour and have a look at what gear it is in when you are driving at 30mph on a straight road? I'd be interested to know if your newer cars acts the same as mine. It is my only really issue with the car.

Ok... Going out a bit later so I'll check for you. 

Simples you take out your Yeti with a DSG, be it a 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch or 6 Speed Wet Clutch and go to a bit of a slope, 

stop in 'D' with your foot on the brake and then move the foot from the brake to throttle and see if it holds for 2 to 3 seconds, 

that is Hill Hold Assist, there because it is needed, and if it is not there you would need to use the hand brake because they are designed as 2 pedal cars where only one foot is required.

 

As to moving off and the 7 speed DSG going up through the gears, that is how they are designed to be, 

get to the economic gear quickly, and there is lots of different ways it will act, but where there is a nice flat or down slope being into 4th, 5th and 6th quickly has no real issues surely because if you need to go down a gear or 2 your throttle position and the rpm will have the box doing that,

start to climb and it will as well.

Edited 15 August, 20178 yr by Awayoffski