The OP was about a 1.6TDI with a DSG.  it is a DQ200 DSG, it is fine in a TDI, changes gear, but as comparing to a DQ200 DSG in a 1.4TSI or 1.5TSI, Apples and pears really.

Software being the difference, and a dirty diesel and revy petrol.

2 hours ago, flybynite said:

 

..........I think he was talking about the Eco mode where it fully disengages the clutch and the revs drop to idle. AFAIK it does not do that in any other mode unless it is a change for the new 1.5tsi?................

 

Now that I couldn't answer. I have noticed the revs drop to idling at times and can only assume I was in E mode at the time as I am rarely in any other mode. I assume that when I tow the electrics will not let the coast happen as on my previous 2.0 TDi DSG. where E mode wasn't selectable until the trailer was unhitched.

31 minutes ago, YMe said:

I assume that when I tow the electrics will not let the coast happen as on my previous 2.0 TDi DSG. where E mode wasn't selectable until the trailer was unhitched.

Yeap, fully & correctly installed towbar, electrics & coding will deactivate Eco mode you'll not see an E before the gear number on the maxidot, thats the bit you'll notice.

 

But, a lot of the Trailer Stability Control systems you'll never see, feel or experience but, its there working away, behind the scenes keeping everything facing the right way.

 

I've towed over 2 tonne with a 1.4TSI & even I ain't dumb enough to believe I drove that well, that TCS is very good.

44 minutes ago, YMe said:

 

Now that I couldn't answer. I have noticed the revs drop to idling at times and can only assume I was in E mode at the time as I am rarely in any other mode. I assume that when I tow the electrics will not let the coast happen as on my previous 2.0 TDi DSG. where E mode wasn't selectable until the trailer was unhitched.

ECO mode cannot be selected when a trailer is attached, but be warned, if you have a custom drive mode selected using ECO gearbox/engine mode then you can coast with a trailer attached....

7 minutes ago, Miz said:

ECO mode cannot be selected when a trailer is attached, but be warned, if you have a custom drive mode selected using ECO gearbox/engine mode then you can coast with a trailer attached....

I'll only be in D when towing no ECO in towing anyway so won't kid myself.

For the last six years I have had two Octavia 2ltr 4x4 DSGs and never had a problem, would never have any other type of gearbox now. It suits the Scout I have now and is a treat to drive, never had any worries with pulling away from junctions or roundabouts! just get in it and enjoy it.

Again not the DSG the OP was asking about though.

But yes get in the diesel with less power than yours and a 7 speed dry clutch DSG not 6 speed wet and pull away, with FWD only.

1 hour ago, Miz said:

ECO mode cannot be selected when a trailer is attached, but be warned, if you have a custom drive mode selected using ECO gearbox/engine mode then you can coast with a trailer attached....

Doesn't happen with my OEM factory fitted towbar, can not get eco mode or an E gear selection on the maxidot with the trailer electrics plugged in, doesn't matter whether Eco mode or Eco gear selection through the individual mode

Edited 29 December, 20178 yr by themanwithnoaim

8 hours ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Doesn't happen with my OEM factory fitted towbar, can not get eco mode or an E gear selection on the maxidot with the trailer electrics plugged in, doesn't matter whether Eco mode or Eco gear selection through the individual mode

I’ll check mine again, but I’m sure it happens with mine. 

My first 2 cars had Westfalia electrics fitted and coded, the Scout has factory fitted, I know I cannot select ECO, but I often drive with steering in Sport and Gearbox in ECO and if I plug the trailer in with this mode selected the system does not disable the ECO mode. 

5 hours ago, Miz said:

I’ll check mine again, but I’m sure it happens with mine. 

My first 2 cars had Westfalia electrics fitted and coded, the Scout has factory fitted, I know I cannot select ECO, but I often drive with steering in Sport and Gearbox in ECO and if I plug the trailer in with this mode selected the system does not disable the ECO mode. 

Check the maxidot for the gear selection E D or S in front of the gear number, I think the head unit will show the mode you are in but, only the maxidot will display the actual gearbox mode.

Ive got a dsg gearbox in the work car. Out of preference I prefer to have a manual box but there wernt any cheap enough when I got mine!

On ‎29‎/‎12‎/‎2017 at 22:16, Lingnoi said:

Here's my honest opinion of the 7 speed DSG gearbox in my 1.4TSi 140 Octy III which I've had 8 months now. I wouldn't go back to manual at all and it makes driving less of a chore. The extra high 7th gear makes motorway cruising relaxing and my gearbox is always in Eco Mode because I like the coasting in neutral that this mode enables (if only it could be an option in D Mode too I'd be a happy bunny because Eco mode does blunt the acceleration a bit). BUT DSG auto isn't very smooth for low speed manoeuvres or pulling away at junctions if the Stop-Start has kicked. It's the fault partially of the hill-holding 2 second delay on the footbrakes which means nothing moves for a moment and the clutch gets dumped and you fly off if you've given the loud pedal too much pressure in response to the car not moving. There's definitely a skill to driving it smoothly, especially parking it. Not as smooth as a torque-converter (i.e. turbines in oil) auto box. 

 

However despite those drawbacks I wouldn't be without it, makes driving less stressful generally and the actual gear changes themselves are instantaneous and undetectable unless you're looking at the tacho. 5 gear at 30mph and 6th gear at 40mph makes it worth it too.

 

All my previous cars have been manuals though I've driven a lot in autos for work or roadtrips around the US (2000 miles in 2 weeks) and more recently in Thailand (2000 miles in 2 weeks).

 

As previously stated, now way would I go back to a manual now. Occasionally I have to drive a work car which is an oldish manual diesel Focus and that's grim.  

Maybe a characteristic of the later boxes, but my 2013 1.6tdi dsg has no delay due to the hill hold. There is a 2 second delay after releasing the brakes if I don't press the accelerator,  but if I go straight from brakes to accelerator, engine starts and moves off immediately & smoothly.

On 30/12/2017 at 15:21, ords said:

Maybe a characteristic of the later boxes, but my 2013 1.6tdi dsg has no delay due to the hill hold. There is a 2 second delay after releasing the brakes if I don't press the accelerator,  but if I go straight from brakes to accelerator, engine starts and moves off immediately & smoothly.

 

I stand corrected. I made a note of what happened at junctions and you're absolutely correct, the brake doesn't engage. It must be just me pressing the loud pedal too hard desperate to get the gap I've seen.

Go for the DSG over the manual everyday.

 

If you are still worried about some of the historic problems then buy the 5 year warranty as part of the order ( can’t add it later, the extension warranty is nowhere near as comprehensive), however the DQ200 seems to be sorted these days.  Actually the warranty is good value as it covers virtually everything.

 

The manual gearbox is a dying breed, even BMW are dropping it in new 3 series.  The concept of auto wipers, auto headlights, auto temperature control, auto other things, but changing gears manually is inconsistently bonkers.

 

Unless you do huge mileages not sure what advantage the 1.6tdi is over the 1.5tsi especially with the UK tax system penalising diesels, and the current fuel duty levels in UK.   If you need to tow surely you would choose 2.0 tdi.   Personally I suspect 1.6tdi will become a rare choice in UK in 2018 as it doesn’t really excel in anything.

 

 

 

 

 

Hello,

 

I am planning to but a second hand car and I stumbled across a pretty OK option. 

It's an Octavia 3 Facelift 1.6 TDI DSG, 2018, almost full option ( no panoramic and premium chairs), 134.000 km. The car looks perfect inside and is well maintained. Price: 12.4K euro.

The only reluctance I got is about the DSG gearbox. I'm a bit afraid I may have issues with it starting from this mileage on. Should I be worried at all or am I just paranoid?

 

Also, if there are issues with this gearbox, are they expensive to fix (more than 1K euro)?

 

Thanks!

2 hours ago, Floro said:

Hello,

 

I am planning to but a second hand car and I stumbled across a pretty OK option. 

It's an Octavia 3 Facelift 1.6 TDI DSG, 2018, almost full option ( no panoramic and premium chairs), 134.000 km. The car looks perfect inside and is well maintained. Price: 12.4K euro.

The only reluctance I got is about the DSG gearbox. I'm a bit afraid I may have issues with it starting from this mileage on. Should I be worried at all or am I just paranoid?

 

Also, if there are issues with this gearbox, are they expensive to fix (more than 1K euro)?

 

Thanks!

 

Hi Mate,

 

If that's the wet clutch 7-speed DSG, it should have documents for 2 services - on 60k and 120k. If it's the dry one - 1x service at 100-120k. If it's not been serviced for that time, I wouldn't buy it if I were you.

 

Also if you plan to drive it in a city with a lot of start-stop traffic, then considering buying a manual. The combination of TDI+DSG isn't great for a tough city driving. Not to mention the DPF, but that's another story.

If it's for motorway/highway driving, pick it up, again if it's serviced.

Cheers,

F

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by fr1nklyn

@fr1nklyn

A 1.6TDI does not get a 7 speed wet clutch DSG, it will be a DQ200 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch with no Service Recommendations or Schedule for oil changes from VW Group at any miles / km.

 

If having a 1.6TDI to use in a city then the DSG is the perfect thing to have.

It is the 1.6 TDI that might be more of an issue.

Maybe an issue if the previous owner / driver used it for short cold start journeys as a Taxi / Private hire car.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/435696-16-tdi-dsg-reliability

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/455607-dsg-gearbox-error

 

Edited 30 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

4 hours ago, fr1nklyn said:

 

Hi Mate,

 

If that's the wet clutch 7-speed DSG, it should have documents for 2 services - on 60k and 120k. If it's the dry one - 1x service at 100-120k. If it's not been serviced for that time, I wouldn't buy it if I were you.

 

Also if you plan to drive it in a city with a lot of start-stop traffic, then considering buying a manual. The combination of TDI+DSG isn't great for a tough city driving. Not to mention the DPF, but that's another story.

If it's for motorway/highway driving, pick it up, again if it's serviced.

Cheers,

F

Must remind myself not to take any advice from you. My 1.6 TDI, DSG could not perform any better in city traffic.  Stop/start system works as required, smooth take offs, no hesitation, no overheating.  If you're speaking from your own experience then there something seriously wrong with your car. As long as you don't interrupt the re-gens too many times the DPF is not a problem. Go back to a manual gearbox for city driving?. Not a chance.