Morning all,

 

I have had my vrs since September absolutely love it, i have covered 3k miles in it with no issues at all, in the last couple of weeks i have noticed the brakes grinding, it is very apparent and loud first thing on a morning or if the car has been sat for a while, this loud noise soon disappears but i can still hear the grinding when braking normally and when the car comes to a standstill.

I had the car back to the dealers last week, they test drove the car with me and agreed there was some grinding noises, put the car on the ramps but couldn’t fail the braking system and said it was perfectly safe to drive. They said they have seen this on other VRS’ in the past but not sure why but cannot do anything under warranty.

 

Anyone have experience of this issue or advice? I am now listening all the time tor this issue as i know it is there, I really don’t want this to spoil my enjoyment of the car!

Yeap I've got, get them to look at the inside pad of the front nearside, mines worn the disc already.

 

If you reach behind the disc you'll find section/slot cutout of the heat shield you can run your finger along to chech the disc for wear.

 

PM me for more details.

1 hour ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Yeap I've got, get them to look at the inside pad of the front nearside, mines worn the disc already.

 

If you reach behind the disc you'll find section/slot cutout of the heat shield you can run your finger along to chech the disc for wear.

 

PM me for more details.

 

You don't use brakes, do you?  

?

How are these Discs on the Octavia Halo model looking after parking up and a few hours parked or overnight before driving, 

are they getting cosmetic corrosion on them.

Are the roads you are driving salted / gritted and is there still sodium about on the roads over the past few weeks?

 

As long as vRS 245 owner / drivers are reporting issues and they are being logged at dealerships employees at Dealerships & Skoda UK should not be able to say, 

'Never heard of any issues',  & they can say 'They all do that'.    Time will tell if Skoda need to issue a TPI and take any action.

 

& if any Car Magazines / journalists with a 'Long Term Test Vehicle' comments on grinding brakes as an issue.

Edited 27 December, 20178 yr by AwaoffSki

3 hours ago, Redspudder said:

Morning all,

 

I have had my vrs since September absolutely love it, i have covered 3k miles in it with no issues at all, in the last couple of weeks i have noticed the brakes grinding, it is very apparent and loud first thing on a morning or if the car has been sat for a while, this loud noise soon disappears but i can still hear the grinding when braking normally and when the car comes to a standstill.

I had the car back to the dealers last week, they test drove the car with me and agreed there was some grinding noises, put the car on the ramps but couldn’t fail the braking system and said it was perfectly safe to drive. They said they have seen this on other VRS’ in the past but not sure why but cannot do anything under warranty.

 

Anyone have experience of this issue or advice? I am now listening all the time tor this issue as i know it is there, I really don’t want this to spoil my enjoyment of the car!

 

Are you sure it's the brakes. I had a grinding/grating noise on my 230 and it turned out the E-Diff which was replaced under warranty.

 

 

Have a read.  MIght be related might not

 

 

Edited 27 December, 20178 yr by Auric Goldfinger

The impression I have is that the rear brakes in particular seem to grind after a day or two of the car not being used. So far at least I've put this down to surface corrosion on the discs which is nothing unusual with other cars but it seems particularly noisy on the 245. At least where I am there has been lots of salt on the roads in the last few weeks. The grinding does seem to disappear with use and I have no issues with the efficacy of the brakes

 

4 hours ago, Redspudder said:

Morning all,

 

I have had my vrs since September absolutely love it, i have covered 3k miles in it with no issues at all, in the last couple of weeks i have noticed the brakes grinding, it is very apparent and loud first thing on a morning or if the car has been sat for a while, this loud noise soon disappears but i can still hear the grinding when braking normally and when the car comes to a standstill.

I had the car back to the dealers last week, they test drove the car with me and agreed there was some grinding noises, put the car on the ramps but couldn’t fail the braking system and said it was perfectly safe to drive. They said they have seen this on other VRS’ in the past but not sure why but cannot do anything under warranty.

 

Anyone have experience of this issue or advice? I am now listening all the time tor this issue as i know it is there, I really don’t want this to spoil my enjoyment of the car!

 

This time of year it is not out of the bounds of possibility that the disks have corroded with the salt on the roads, standing still for a while it can form a fair bit of surface rust. First press of the brakes can collect the surface rust and bed it into the leading edge of the pad. 

 

It wears away eventually but if it is too bad it can sometimes score the disk. Heavier deposits can affect the braking as you have a layer of rust between the pad and the disk and pressing the brake just bed further into the pad.

 

Only way to see if this is happening is to take the pads out and look at them, so unless they did that they cannot know. 

 

Quite often I end up re-dressing pads this time of year if there is salt on the roads and the machine has been standing a bit. Doesn't help if the brakes have been hot then covered in salt water spray and then left standing. Hot brakes with a new 245? can't see that happening 

 

Edited 27 December, 20178 yr by flybynite

7 hours ago, pist0nbr0ke said:

 

You don't use brakes, do you?  

No but, some of the others at the club meet do though

5 hours ago, Auric Goldfinger said:

 

Are you sure it's the brakes. I had a grinding/grating noise on my 230 and it turned out the E-Diff which was replaced under warranty.

 

 

Have a read.  MIght be related might not

 

 

Wish it was, I've got a definable groove worn into the disc

4 hours ago, flybynite said:

 Hot brakes with a new 245? can't see that happening 

 

Mine have always seemed to a little Geriatric when I stop the car, tend to creak & click a bit like arthritic joints

same here, glad it's not just me! 

only happens in the morning when it's been sat overnight (garage). I ride the brakes out of my driveway onto the main road, to keep the speed lower than creep mode, and get the grinding noise then. After that its gone. 

14 hours ago, Gumby said:

same here, glad it's not just me! 

only happens in the morning when it's been sat overnight (garage). I ride the brakes out of my driveway onto the main road, to keep the speed lower than creep mode, and get the grinding noise then. After that its gone. 

Film of rust on the brake discs.

After 36 hours of being parked up.

Red herring guys, both the OP & I have continual grinding/crouching noise especially loud just before coming to a complete halt.

 

I also have a groove being worn in my inside front nearside disc, I'm presuming something has got lodged in the disc, just what has become lodged will determine whether it's warranty work or replacement at my own expense.

 

As such, I'll get my own "jack-in-a-shack" to look first & give me an independent opinion before tackling Skoda.  If it's just road debris, I'll upgrade the front discs & pads, if its a design or materail failure I'll go back to Skoda.

 

I'll more than likely upgrade regardless & simply refit anything Skoda supply before the end of my PCP surprisingly, brakes don't last long on my cars ! Get about 8k outta a set of tyres & need new pads or pads/discs every 3rd set of tyres, a bit expensive but fun none the less

Edited 28 December, 20178 yr by themanwithnoaim

8 hours ago, juan27 said:

After 36 hours of being parked up.

Those poor wheels need a good clean! 

Edited 28 December, 20178 yr by Gumby

4 hours ago, Gumby said:

Those poor wheels need a good clean! 

 

Put it through the car wash on the 20th December not due another wash until January.

16 hours ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Red herring guys, both the OP & I have continual grinding/crouching noise especially loud just before coming to a complete halt.

Not a red herring at all - the most common cause of temporary grinding after a car has been standing for a few hours after a drive in the wet or even a good wash.

 

Continual grinding is something different, if it's not due to a trapped stone then it's something that needs investigating and solving since brakes (unless they are F1 style carbon fibre) should not continually make grinding noises.

Lets cut to the chase.

Skoda Halo model a VW Parts Bin special with an engine less powerful than in the lowest powered SEAT Leon Cupra from 4 years ago and just a set of brakes that are crap on other VW Group Warm or Hot Hatches.

Using up parts that they have used for years and other manufacturers manage to source brake discs that stop cars and do not look like crap in a few hours after parking.

They also produce or source discs that last longer than a set of brake pads.

5 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

Lets cut to the chase.

Skoda Halo model a VW Parts Bin special with an engine less powerful than in the lowest powered SEAT Leon Cupra from 4 years ago and just a set of brakes that are crap on other VW Group Warm or Hot Hatches.

Using up parts that they have used for years and other manufacturers manage to source brake discs that stop cars and do not look like crap in a few hours after parking.

They also produce or source discs that last longer than a set of brake pads.

 

Same brakes as VW Golf GTI Performance Pack I think?....and they do stop the car very impressively.

Exactly,.  ****e ones.    Some corrode worse than others, hit and miss suppliers. Quality Control and lack of.

 

They are sufficient, not impressive, just good enough. 

Actually as seen,some are complaining of grinding, and soon some will complain that at the Service there is an advisory on the brakes.

Not even driven sportingly the pads will be expiring early, as will the discs.

Edited 29 December, 20178 yr by AwaoffSki

4 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

Exactly,.  ****e ones.    Some corrode worse than others, hit and miss suppliers. Quality Control and lack of.

 

They are sufficient, not impressive, just good enough. 

 

Sighs.

Sigh all you like, you drive a warm hatch with adequate brakes, that corrode easily, and with pads that are so so.

I have driven them they are not a performance car or performance brakes, as you see by how cheap they are to replace.

 with like for like, and upgrades are still cheap.

Edited 29 December, 20178 yr by AwaoffSki

 

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

They are sufficient, not impressive, just good enough.

 

1 hour ago, juan27 said:

Sighs.

 

To be honest I have put a lot of miles on the 340/310 setup that is on the Golf  R / vRS 245 / S3 etc etc and I would agree they are OK at best. They are a fairly unsophisticated single-pot system that hasn't changed in years, just a bit bigger (and in some ways worse for it)  and a bit compromised by the desperate effort to make them lighter. They do the job, and fit behind most wheels, just nothing to write home about.

 

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

Some corrode worse than others, hit and miss suppliers. Quality Control and lack of

 

I am quite picky with manufacturers, you can often see the difference just by looking at them. For these brakes I rarely stray from Ate or Brembo. The unfortunate fact is they all seem to corrode when there is salt on the roads. Do the cheaper manufacturers corrode more? not sure TBH as I don't tend to fit them.

 

I will have them apart at least once during the life of a pad to dress the surface, clean and grease the pad sliders. Personally think that is quite important on modern lightweight single-pot brakes that tend to be made to a budget.

You can get ones on a European Built Kia or Hyundai ( Czech Republic) that might corrode easily and others that do not. Same with a Hungarian Suzuki, or an Audi even.

Bavarian BMW's that are hit or miss. Maybe South African VW's.

But then the Discs can be manufacturers anyplace.

What you can almost be certain of that those that get fitted to a Skoda as OEM are pretty poor pretty much always.

There’s absolutely no difference in the corrosion resistance of the Skoda OEM discs in comparison with every other vehicle I have ever owned or driven. Only the environmental conditions have influenced how quickly they corrode when parked up. They are perfectly specced for the vehicle and it’s intended duty cycle and if I hit them hard enough to activate the ABS, the car behind will be on the back seat between the kids for sure.