On 3/14/2018 at 23:38, lotrjw said:

The speedometer will work the same for both a km/h only one and a dual km/h and mph one check out mine below thats a UK version. 

As someone else said above at about the 9 o'clock position you get 30mph and 50km/h.

You can see how rubbish UK speedos look from this image, why they put the km/h on the inside when its a finer scale and needs more space than mph I will never understand, you could still read mph well enough if that was the inner scale. Sorry slight off topic, but its easily seen in this image.

Yes you are right.

Better option wil be just one scale,

mph for miles or kph for kilometers measuring.

But no matter to double scale the same odometer can not count two different units without modification.

This is analog, mechanical counter and something must be changed for correct counting.

If i look my problem the rotation speed to odometer is the same, looks there are two odometers and in my instrument cluster is installed mph counter. Have no idea who make mistake here.

 

19 hours ago, RicardoM said:

I doubt very much that the issue described by you is related to a factory fault.

My opinion is that the speedo drive is faulty or the bowden cable transmission is slipping (yeah, the cable is marginally short). It is just a coincidence that real kilometers driven equals 1.609 x odometer kilometers.

 

Moreover, it is not clear from your original post if your dad had the car from new and had this odometer problem from the start. All you have told us was that at one time the odometer stuck (read slipped) then you changed the entire instrument cluster just to realize (after a few years!) the odometer is not showing right.

Yes the car was new and original odometer is counting kilometers.

After about 5 years the counters are start to stop counting the distance from time to time not always.

When problem become bigger we notified Skoda car service about the problem. The owner and the car service decide for replacement but we not expect to replace complete instrument cluster just odometer + speedometer.

Car service idiots replace complete cluster.

I really doubt that something is wrong at bowden cable or speedo drive because this fault will be visible on speedometer rotation.

I monitor speed every day and works without any errors.

20 minutes ago, Johnglx said:

Yes you are right.

Better option wil be just one scale,

mph for miles or kph for kilometers measuring.

But no matter to double scale the same odometer can not count two different units without modification.

This is analog, mechanical counter and something must be changed for correct counting.

If i look my problem the rotation speed to odometer is the same, looks there are two odometers and in my instrument cluster is installed mph counter. Have no idea who make mistake here.

 

Well we have both here in Uk as from the 1980s at some point we had to have speed displayed in both mph and km/h because EU regulations say EU countries must have km/h speed shown. Stupid UK decided to keep mph though instead of converting so we are stuck with both and km/h is squashed up, except on cars with digital displays which can digitally switch between the two. My citroen c4 picasso has that and I like it.

Like you say though odo can only do one or other with a mechanical dial, I would like a km version, but that might be an issue in the UK to get and fit one, I will if I can. 

If I were you I would try and find a km speedo and fit it yourself if you can, but I dont know how you would change the odo to read what its supposed to be.

7 minutes ago, lotrjw said:

Well we have both here in Uk as from the 1980s at some point we had to have speed displayed in both mph and km/h because EU regulations say EU countries must have km/h speed shown. Stupid UK decided to keep mph though instead of converting so we are stuck with both and km/h is squashed up, except on cars with digital displays which can digitally switch between the two. My citroen c4 picasso has that and I like it.

Like you say though odo can only do one or other with a mechanical dial, I would like a km version, but that might be an issue in the UK to get and fit one, I will if I can. 

If I were you I would try and find a km speedo and fit it yourself if you can, but I dont know how you would change the odo to read what its supposed to be.

Odometer can not be modified at home.

The best way to buy complete "clock" and to try it. Simple and clever.

12 minutes ago, Johnglx said:

Odometer can not be modified at home.

The best way to buy complete "clock" and to try it. Simple and clever.

Yes odo isn't supposed to be modified, I was thinking sorting out the new one to match the old one taking into account differences in miles and km and swap over. If thats not possible then get one as close as to the original one and swap them. 

I would never suggest actually cheating it and putting a lower value in thats got to be illegal in most countries.

9 hours ago, lotrjw said:

Yes odo isn't supposed to be modified, I was thinking sorting out the new one to match the old one taking into account differences in miles and km and swap over. If thats not possible then get one as close as to the original one and swap them. 

I would never suggest actually cheating it and putting a lower value in thats got to be illegal in most countries.

Yes i will search for the same meters like original before. When i got it the counter will be reduced to old distance + new distance converted to kilometers.

So the the total counter value will be very close to real distance. I never think about to reduce counters to lower value.

There will be no problems if i have old instrument cluster but the car service keep it because they are not honest people here. That is the reason i avoid this service, they are not so good service personnel as they think.

On 3/15/2018 at 02:31, RicardoM said:

1. I think you don't realize that Felicia is a loved car in this section for good reasons. See this topic.
2. You don't realize that we are talking about an 18 years car! Time takes its toll. I wish I'd see cars made today after 18 years... Rubber and plastic... wow... what a disaster...
3. Rear lights are not regulated. What are you talking about??
4. Felicia was a small, low price car. What car are you comparing it with in terms of quality? Mercedes?

Your dad made a good choice. Probably he didn't swim in a pool of money when he bought a Felicia. You don't like it? No problem. Make 25,000 Euro and buy a new, better car. How old are you, anyway? 18? 21?

This model Felicia 1.6 GLX have rear light regulator with hydraulic fluid.

You probably see this function here on forum?

I am not so young sorry, i drive a car almost 25 years.

Edited 16 March, 20188 yr by Guest

On 3/15/2018 at 02:31, RicardoM said:

1. I think you don't realize that Felicia is a loved car in this section for good reasons. See this topic.
2. You don't realize that we are talking about an 18 years car! Time takes its toll. I wish I'd see cars made today after 18 years... Rubber and plastic... wow... what a disaster...
3. Rear lights are not regulated. What are you talking about??
4. Felicia was a small, low price car. What car are you comparing it with in terms of quality? Mercedes?

Your dad made a good choice. Probably he didn't swim in a pool of money when he bought a Felicia. You don't like it? No problem. Make 25,000 Euro and buy a new, better car. How old are you, anyway? 18? 21?

This Felicia model 1.6 GLX have internal rear light adjuster with hydraulic fluid. You probably see this function here if your car have no adjuster.

Here is the picture from this forum, take a look.

2 hours ago, Johnglx said:

This Felicia model 1.6 GLX have internal rear light adjuster with hydraulic fluid.

You mean hydraulic headlight adjuster. When you say "rear light" that means the light is situated at the back of the car...

OK, that installation fails after a few years. That is not a reason to condemn the whole car. Especially when you can buy an electrical headlight adjuster kit.

I would complain more about the 1.6 engine and gearbox. Heavy engine, low power for its capacity.

@RicardoM - I was having the exact same problem as you were with the "internal rear light adjuster". Right up until @Johnglx published the shot of the back of a headlight!

1 hour ago, RicardoM said:

You mean hydraulic headlight adjuster. When you say "rear light" that means the light is situated at the back of the car...

OK, that installation fails after a few years. That is not a reason to condemn the whole car. Especially when you can buy an electrical headlight adjuster kit.

I would complain more about the 1.6 engine and gearbox. Heavy engine, low power for its capacity.

Oh so sorry, my english goes bad last years.

Yes i mean front or headlights.

Rear light stays in memory when i search for replacement third stop light.

Admin please enable edit option to correct my english.

Yes there is some issue with engine valves.

At the cold start some clicking is present like diesel sound.

Valves are auto adjusted is that so?

Edited 16 March, 20188 yr by Guest

31 minutes ago, Johnglx said:

Oh so sorry, my english goes bad last years.

Yes i mean front or headlights.

Rear light stays in memory when i search for replacement third stop light.

Admin please enable edit option to correct my english.

Yes there is some issue with engine valves.

At the cold start some clicking is present like diesel sound.

Valves are auto adjusted is that so?

Very nice electrical kit. I must think about that if parts are still available?

Never see before.

But to order spare parts from Czech country is a mission impossible. They do not answer to any question by email.

Looks like they hate english language.

The second problem is shipping for this people.

I contact many webstores for some spare parts, they have a lot of parts for Felicia car.

But just one seller was answer to my question and it was prepare to send spare part to my country.

Very disappointed with this country communications.

Edited 16 March, 20188 yr by Guest

4 hours ago, Johnglx said:

Valves are auto adjusted is that so?

You mean the valves clearance. Yes, they are self-adjusted. Yet the bucket tappets can develop play,

8 hours ago, Johnglx said:

Admin please enable edit option to correct my english.

The posts are editable only for a limited time (10-15 minutes probably) for obvious reasons.

4 hours ago, RicardoM said:

You mean the valves clearance. Yes, they are self-adjusted. Yet the bucket tappets can develop play,

 

On 14/03/2018 at 09:55, Johnglx said:

The replacement was made in official Skoda car service in Slovenia.

They did not check new odometer accuracy when replacement was made,
because this people are not professionals as they think and i avoid Skoda car service here.

After replacement they keep old odometer and they cheat me.
I demand old odometer before service was made, but they keep it.

All parts on this car are original.
No any other part was replaced on this car except complete odometer.
I have no codes for old and new odometers.

I can help only with some pictures.

 

 

When they replaced the speedometer, did you actually see the new one before it was installed? Did it read 000000 (or close to it)?
Sounds very much like they had an old one (in mph) and swapped the dialface over (2 minutes to do)

 

There were (kilometers and miles aside) physically at least two different speedometers. The clear plastic "light guide" is adifferent shap and so connects with a different fuel guage (at the back).

1 hour ago, RainbowFire said:

 

When they replaced the speedometer, did you actually see the new one before it was installed? Did it read 000000 (or close to it)?
Sounds very much like they had an old one (in mph) and swapped the dialface over (2 minutes to do)

 

There were (kilometers and miles aside) physically at least two different speedometers. The clear plastic "light guide" is adifferent shap and so connects with a different fuel guage (at the back).

You write a very good question.

The car service is order instrument cluster when we contact the service about the odometer issue.

When spare part is arrived to service the car was delivered to service.

Sorry for my english.

Nobody there is not offer to us any other option to replace just speedo clock which will be much cheaper for us.

Yes the instrument cluster is complete new and the odo was 00000 counter.

At the old instruments we have numbers on temp meter and fuel meter. New instrument cluster have no numbers on these instruments.

If we look tachometer old version have two numbers x100 scale when new instrument have one number x1000 scale. It is clear that complete instrument cluster is replaced, no doubt here.

See and compare pictures at the top.

The replacement was made 100% with new instrument cluster.

What the idiots do? They break small part of green connector and they put in the car like we can not see it and it is not their fault.

The green connector is one of the instrument cluster connections behind.

You can not imagine how some car services here a bad proffessionals and how many damages make on the cars when owners is not present at the car repair. They dont like that owner is present.

Edited 18 March, 20188 yr by Guest

15 hours ago, Johnglx said:

If we look tachometer old version have two numbers x100 scale when new instrument have one number x1000 scale

That is OK. You have the newest version ever installed on Felicia.

 

15 hours ago, Johnglx said:

What the idiots do? They break small part of green connector and they put in the car like we can not see it and it is not their fault.

The green connector is one of the instrument cluster connections behind.

There is no green connector feeding the instrument cluster. There are 3 connectors: yellow, black, and white.

 

15 hours ago, Johnglx said:

You can not imagine how some car services here a bad proffessionals and how many damages make on the cars when owners is not present at the car repair. They dont like that owner is present.

They like it or not, the law says it is mandatory to give access to car for clients. Usually they have to install video cameras linked to monitors in the waiting room. Some dealers allow access via Internet.

 

Most probably the car service bought a new instrument cluster for the UK (in mph) then swapped the dial card with your old one (in km/h). I'm sure they didn't give you back the old instrument cluster for obvious reason...

3 hours ago, RicardoM said:

That is OK. You have the newest version ever installed on Felicia.

 

There is no green connector feeding the instrument cluster. There are 3 connectors: yellow, black, and white.

 

They like it or not, the law says it is mandatory to give access to car for clients. Usually they have to install video cameras linked to monitors in the waiting room. Some dealers allow access via Internet.

 

Most probably the car service bought a new instrument cluster for the UK (in mph) then swapped the dial card with your old one (in km/h). I'm sure they didn't give you back the old instrument cluster for obvious reason...

The green connector is on the right side of the panel which must be removed complete, yes it is not on the instrument cluster directly, it is connected to the switch.

I have no idea what our law say about how customer can monitor car repair, there is no waiting room here or camera control for us. Maybe they have camera in the workshop for employee control for the boss.

So they work without customer control as they wish.

We are in the Europe and also spare part was ordered in the Europe i think so how they get UK version of odometer on instrument cluster with kph card installed?

It is impossible that old dial card is installed on new instrument cluster.

There is no numbers on temp meter and fuel meter when original instrument cluster have numbers there.

Edited 19 March, 20188 yr by Guest

38 minutes ago, Johnglx said:

We are in the Europe and also spare part was ordered in the Europe i think so how they get UK version of odometer on instrument cluster with kph card installed?

It is impossible that old dial card is installed on new instrument cluster.

Nobody said that the UK instrument cluster (IC) they ordered came with a dial card marked in km/h. They ordered the wrong IC. When they saw the mistake, they changed the dial card in mph with the card from your old IC in km/h. I hope it is clear now and we can move on

38 minutes ago, Johnglx said:

There is no numbers on temp meter and fuel meter when original instrument cluster have numbers there.

I repeat, that is the design for the newest version of IC installed on Felicia in 2000-2001. If you want the old dials, recover your old IC and change them.

Edited 19 March, 20188 yr by RicardoM

24 minutes ago, RicardoM said:

Nobody said that the UK instrument cluster (IC) they ordered came with a dial card marked in km/h. They ordered the wrong IC. When they saw the mistake, they changed the dial card in mph with the card from your old IC in km/h. I hope it is clear now and we can move on

I repeat, that is the design for the newest version of IC installed on Felicia in 2000-2001. If you want the old dials, recover your old IC and change them.

No way that the card is from old IC.

It is not the same design.

Old IC is keep Skoda car service.

My only option is to buy kph speedo clock or complete IC.

 

@RicardoM - When did you become an expert on Slovenian Consumer Rights legislation? I'm not, and I do (at least for now) live in the EU.

 

@Johnglx - Some way up-thread I said that I thought you had a new cluster with an MPH geared odometer, and a kph calibrated speedometer. Nothing that's been said since suggests that this is not the case.

2 hours ago, KenONeill said:

@RicardoM - When did you become an expert on Slovenian Consumer Rights legislation? I'm not, and I do (at least for now) live in the EU.

I don't have to be an expert. It is good enough to be well informed. Everything is public if you know where to look.

2 hours ago, KenONeill said:

@RicardoM - When did you become an expert on Slovenian Consumer Rights legislation? I'm not, and I do (at least for now) live in the EU.

 

@Johnglx - Some way up-thread I said that I thought you had a new cluster with an MPH geared odometer, and a kph calibrated speedometer. Nothing that's been said since suggests that this is not the case.

Who says i am an expert?

 

Where do you live RicardoM?

 

I will really like to know how will your car service goes let say example: you have brakes failure on car.

You call or visit Skoda service to make arrange for car repair.

They work from 9am to 17pm.

And you must go to work at 10am.

Will you stay in service until car will be fixed and you make study there about your customer rights or you will trust car service quality work and you will deliver the car and leave it there and you go to work?

I will really like to read how car service goes in your country?

Edited 19 March, 20188 yr by Guest

2 hours ago, KenONeill said:

@RicardoM - When did you become an expert on Slovenian Consumer Rights legislation? I'm not, and I do (at least for now) live in the EU.

 

@Johnglx - Some way up-thread I said that I thought you had a new cluster with an MPH geared odometer, and a kph calibrated speedometer. Nothing that's been said since suggests that this is not the case.

Do you know if just odometer can be removed from speedo clock and replaced with kph counter

Is that option possible?