.... If the cambelt replacement periods are different between ASZ and the BLT engines?

 

Whilst I’m at it..... anyone know the cost of changing all the valves?! (Not expecting an answers to this )

No difference, they're the same engine.

 

Guesstimate for the head job is about £150 for the valves and seals, then labour for recutting the seats and a truth skim about £200, that's inc. VAT and assuming you've removed and stripped the head already.

 

Then labour, gaskets, cambelt kit, water pump and all bolts to reassemble.

I was aware they are the same engine, but was told there was a revision as to the timeframe the belt needed changing. I (incorrectly) assumed it was related, so thanks for clearing that up for me. 

 

I’m hoping the labour (excluding work carried out by external suppliers of the garage doing the main work) will be free and just need to pay for parts. We will see. 

 

Whilst I’m sure what says in the owners manual regarding this, anyone know what the “updated” service schedule is for the cambelt? I’ve been working on 4yrs/60k and a little annoyed (to say the least) that when I asked for it to be changed on the 4 year anniversary & 27k later I was told it wasn’t due.... two months later the belt snapped  

1 minute ago, jars said:

I was aware they are the same engine, but was told there was a revision as to the timeframe the belt needed changing. I (incorrectly) assumed it was related, so thanks for clearing that up for me. 

 

I’m hoping the labour (excluding work carried out by external suppliers of the garage doing the main work) will be free and just need to pay for parts. We will see. 

 

Whilst I’m sure what says in the owners manual regarding this, anyone know what the “updated” service schedule is for the cambelt? I’ve been working on 4yrs/60k and a little annoyed (to say the least) that when I asked for it to be changed on the 4 year anniversary & 27k later I was told it wasn’t due.... two months later the belt snapped  

 

Wow, you need a new garage if they can't follow simple instructions!

 

Why the hell would they turn the work away if you'd asked for it to be done?

14 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

 

Wow, you need a new garage if they can't follow simple instructions!

 

The owner is a friend of the best part of 20 years, but it was one his mechanics that told me three times after I disagreed that it was not due.

 

14 minutes ago, sepulchrave said:

Why the hell would they turn the work away if you'd asked for it to be done?

 

That was one of the points my mate made when we very briefly spoke today for the first time since it happened two weeks ago, ergo (almost) suggesting that I’m lying?! I simply said we will talk about that face to face when I collect my car. 

 

Can anyone shed any light on the “updated” service schedule he spoke of?

Nothing like a potential financial liability for testing a friendship.

 

His mechanic will be lying to him, so he's stuck in the middle, throw him a bone, you should have insisted it be done.

Absolutely... it’s caused a stir at home too as the missus is fuming! 

 

That’s is why I refused to be drawn into it. Best have that convo face to face. 

 

As for not insisting, I am no trained mechanic so who am I to tell him he’s wrong.... How would you take it?!

Well I'd have just done it for you and touched you up whilst taking your money, it's how lawyers make fortunes from divorces. Professionals can follow instructions even if they don't agree with you.

Is that an offer, Sep 

Still debating with the garage what the service time is for the belt .... they’re insisting it’s 5yrs/80k??

 

This is what the belt and one of the valve looks like ....

Try this

 

http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_334_d2.pdf

 

I assume it's an in house ' memo guide. ' from vag ?

Thanks for the link mate. The link shows when the very first service after manufacturing, unless I’m mistaken?  

 

I was told the garage subscribe to some kind of service instruction system and an update to the timing, which apparently was changed from what it was according to the owners manual as it was printer, is on there. I will be shown whatever they get to see, but it’s apparently 5yrs/80k and mine lasted 4yrs and 27/28k miles. Grr! 

Hi, just thought the link might be helpful

 

if it's of any use I own a 1.9tdi octavia 09 facelift

 

last week I phone skoda uk customer services and asked for a definitive answer on my cam belt change requirements after being put on hold ( " checking with tech assist " ) 

on my car ( from the reg number ) 4 years or 80000 miles although my independent garage recommend 4 years or 60000 miles 

Google SKODA customer service uk contact number and ask them direct 

 

( interestingly the service advisor gave me a ref. number so that indicates a comeback contact point if issues occur ? )

2 hours ago, jars said:

Thanks for the link mate. The link shows when the very first service after manufacturing, unless I’m mistaken?  

 

I was told the garage subscribe to some kind of service instruction system and an update to the timing, which apparently was changed from what it was according to the owners manual as it was printer, is on there. I will be shown whatever they get to see, but it’s apparently 5yrs/80k and mine lasted 4yrs and 27/28k miles. Grr! 

 

I don't believe it, there's no way that the manufacturer would INCREASE the service interval, PD's are notorious for breaking cambelts. They're wriggling. It's four years, not five.

 

Incidentally, is that MOSS growing in your old cambelt, you really need to drive that thing a bit more, no point in owning a diesel if you don't do the miles.

9 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

 

I don't believe it, there's no way that the manufacturer would INCREASE the service interval, PD's are notorious for breaking cambelts. They're wriggling. It's four years, not five.

 

Incidentally, is that MOSS growing in your old cambelt, you really need to drive that thing a bit more, no point in owning a diesel if you don't do the miles.

 

That’s what I was thinking, but happy to be corrected if someone has something official to offer. 

 

Notorious I’m not sure about. Yes, I’m basing this on the 8 years I have been on Brisky, so far from a proper study so to speak, but not heard of many PD cam belts going in that time? 

 

Whilst I don’t do astronomical mileage, what I use it for is fine. It’s used every single day and very rarely started without getting up to full temperature. (literally only time it’s not used every single day is when I go away with work or holiday) and gets a good motorway run every month. 

 

Is it moss and where has it come from? I dunno, but will ask when I catch up with my mate to talk finances. 

 

You seem many many breaks like that, Sup?

Looking at a maintenance document from erWin, something changed in 2003.

Until July 2003, for PD engines the distance interval for timing belt replacement was 90 000km on servicing schedule QG0 , from August that year it went to 120 000km.

No time interval appears to be specified, at first glance. 

 

On schedule QG1 or QG2, it says that at 90 000km, "replace the guide pulley and the tensioning pulley (PD diesel engine up to 07.03)" , and at 120 000km "Replace the timing belt (PD Diesel engine as of 08.03)". Again, no time interval that I can see.

2 hours ago, jars said:

 

That’s what I was thinking, but happy to be corrected if someone has something official to offer. 

 

Notorious I’m not sure about. Yes, I’m basing this on the 8 years I have been on Brisky, so far from a proper study so to speak, but not heard of many PD cam belts going in that time? 

 

Whilst I don’t do astronomical mileage, what I use it for is fine. It’s used every single day and very rarely started without getting up to full temperature. (literally only time it’s not used every single day is when I go away with work or holiday) and gets a good motorway run every month. 

 

Is it moss and where has it come from? I dunno, but will ask when I catch up with my mate to talk finances. 

 

You seem many many breaks like that, Sup?

 

I've seen plenty, PD's are VERY hard on cam belts because the belt is also providing the energy to compress the unit injectors, you don't see that many on here because this forum is very proactive in persuading members that changing it on schedule is essential.

 

At a tuning firm with a machine shop I briefly worked at back in the noughties taxi drivers brought in a steady stream of VW PD, Ford Zetec and GM Ecotec engines with wrecked top-ends because they wouldn't maintain them on schedule, they always thought they could push 'em a bit further and they always went BANG! with no warning.

 

Your mate knows he's part liable, all you have to do is throw him a bone, tell him you'll cover costs for all the bits, then he just has to get it done, that way he's not having to part with any cash, he'll get the mechanic who messed up to do the labour for free then it's no skin off his nose. You'd have had to pay for the all the stuff for the belt change anyway.

3 hours ago, Wino said:

Looking at a maintenance document from erWin, something changed in 2003.

Until July 2003, for PD engines the distance interval for timing belt replacement was 90 000km on servicing schedule QG0 , from August that year it went to 120 000km.

No time interval appears to be specified, at first glance. 

 

On schedule QG1 or QG2, it says that at 90 000km, "replace the guide pulley and the tensioning pulley (PD diesel engine up to 07.03)" , and at 120 000km "Replace the timing belt (PD Diesel engine as of 08.03)". Again, no time interval that I can see.

 

That’s all I can find, mileage related. This doesn’t really help as mine is nowhere near the new or old stated distance required for a change. 

 

6 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

 

Your mate knows he's part liable, all you have to do is throw him a bone, tell him you'll cover costs for all the bits, then he just has to get it done, that way he's not having to part with any cash, he'll get the mechanic who messed up to do the labour for free then it's no skin off his nose. You'd have had to pay for the all the stuff for the belt change anyway.

 

I’ve got my car back and not parted with a penny. We haven’t talked financials yet, but working on the basis he will look after me reading between the lines.

 

I’ve also spoken to the actual mechanic who told me not to change the belt and he recalled the exact conversation we had, so don’t think the offer will be too far off your suggestion and what I was gonna offer. 

6 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

 

6 hours ago, sepulchrave said:

 

Your mate knows he's part liable, all you have to do is throw him a bone, tell him you'll cover costs for all the bits, then he just has to get it done, that way he's not having to part with any cash, he'll get the mechanic who messed up to do the labour for free then it's no skin off his nose. You'd have had to pay for the all the stuff for the belt change anyway.

 

I'd certainly agree to paying for the belt, tensioner and water pump parts even and including appropriate labour as it would be what I'd have had to pay for anyway, to cover the cost of the damage caused by splitting hairs about when the belt ought to be changed is not on in my view !! 

I've never been to the barbers for a hair cut to be told my hair hadn't grown enough if I ask for any service which I pay for to be done then that is my choice due date or not .........

2 minutes ago, davidwhite said:

 

 

I'd certainly agree to paying for the belt, tensioner and water pump parts even and including appropriate labour as it would be what I'd have had to pay for anyway, to cover the cost of the damage caused by splitting hairs about when the belt ought to be changed is not on in my view !! 

I've never been to the barbers for a hair cut to be told my hair hadn't grown enough if I ask for any service which I pay for to be done then that is my choice due date or not .........

 

If this was a random garage this would be my approach. With it being a mate who owns the garage I’m less reluctant to play hardball, much to the annoyance of her in doors. 

 

As long as my part is no more than a figure I have in my head I will accept it and chalk it down to experience. Assuming their system states what they’ve told me in that the belt change was not due, I would have to take on that company and show they’re wrong if I want back the cost of anything else other than the cambelt change. 

25 minutes ago, jars said:

 

If this was a random garage this would be my approach. With it being a mate who owns the garage I’m less reluctant to play hardball, much to the annoyance of her in doors. 

 

As long as my part is no more than a figure I have in my head I will accept it and chalk it down to experience. Assuming their system states what they’ve told me in that the belt change was not due, I would have to take on that company and show they’re wrong if I want back the cost of anything else other than the cambelt change. 

 

Ok let's be honest you want to do right by you friend but ( and here's the rub ) where would your loyalty stand if ( or more to the point when ) a definitive change by date is produce and it state 4 years ?

 

ring skoda uk customer services 03330 037504 ask for their advice ' when is my car reg number AB 00 CDE cam belt change due according to uk skoda directives please '

ask for a ref: enquiry number 

there's you answer garage can confirm it by ringing and quoting the ref: number job done 

 

( fwiw I've owned 3 different 1.9 tdi skoda cars 07 Fabia  mk1, 57 Fabia mk11 and 09 octy mk11 fl

all have a recommend belt change at 4 years ( milage may vary 60 - 120 k but I'd never hit 40k in 4 years so it's irrelevant ) and I stick to and have changed at 4 year intervals to me it's a no brainier )

Wow, everyone wants to see a fight when it's not their dog in the ring.

 

Good on you Jars for being prepared to throw your mate a bone, no sense in falling out over something as trivial as a car.

8 minutes ago, davidwhite said:

 

Ok let's be honest you want to do right by you friend but ( and here's the rub ) where would your loyalty stand if ( or more to the point when ) a definitive change by date is produce and it state 4 years ?

 

ring skoda uk customer services 03330 037504 ask for their advice ' when is my car reg number AB 00 CDE cam belt change due according to uk skoda directives please '

ask for a ref: enquiry number 

there's you answer garage can confirm it by ringing and quoting the ref: number job done 

 

( fwiw I've owned 3 different 1.9 tdi skoda cars 07 Fabia  mk1, 57 Fabia mk11 and 09 octy mk11 fl

all have a recommend belt change at 4 years ( milage may vary 60 - 120 k but I'd never hit 40k in 4 years so it's irrelevant ) and I stick to and have changed at 4 year intervals to me it's a no brainier )

 

I will call the number and ask the question. Thanks for that. 

 

If I can get categoric proof from Skoda that it is 4 years, then I would have a different and difficult conversation with my mate. I will cross that bridge if I come to it. That said, if my costs are lower than I expect, I will cough up and keep things sweet with my mate as he does look after me and my car, which is what this is all about. 

My 2p - sometimes people make mistakes, If they've generally been good about the care of your car then I'd say the continued care is worth it. My friendly mechs have messed up a few times with my car, but on the other hand they've helped me out of a jam a fair few times (and also tried to put things right sometimes).

 

Swings and round-a-bouts.  I hope this doesn't soil your friendship and things get sorted amicably

Edited 18 April, 20188 yr by bspman