Yeti doomed in 2016?.....

[cootuk]

The Yeti sold about 60,000 a year in europe, and the Octavia about 200,000.

The Qashqai sold around 200,000, the Juke about 100.000

The Yeti was always doomed once VAG decided on a new platform.

 

[Sad555]

The ford fiesta does great sales but I know which one I prefer between that and a yeti

[ejstubbs]

On 04/05/2018 at 14:41, FurryFriend said:

There are probably some incredibly talented kids out there right now, who, but for endless red tape and regulation could create the cars of the future, but are being crushed down by unnecessary nannying.

 

I doubt you can provide a single verifiable example of someone being prevented from creating one of the 'cars of the future' by red tape and regulation.

 

On 04/05/2018 at 14:41, FurryFriend said:

It's only been since last year that the kids have been able to use the field, because up until then, some HSE executive ruling made the decision that it was safer for them to use the school asphalt playground rather than the field because ONE CHILD slipped and displaced a kneecap on the damp grass. 

 

The simplest repost to that is a re-post:

 

On 04/05/2018 at 09:15, WFM said:

Most of the lies you read or hear about are nothing to do with Health and Safety and more to do with some organisation not wanting to be held for negligence.

 

It won't have been the HSE.  It will probably have been someone at the school using 'health and safety' as an excuse not to do anything useful.

 

The HSE was not slow to act when I e-mailed them about a bunch of roofers working across the way from my office, walking around on a pitched roof four storeys up with no sign of any fall arrest systems.  (One of them was wearing a hard hat, though, and another had a hi viz jacket on.  Neither very useful if you slip and fall 50ft into a paved basement area.)  Call me an interfering old busybody but I didn't fancy having to witness one of them dying horribly.  I suppose I'll just have to live with the fear that I might have prevented them from creating the roof the future.

 

On 04/05/2018 at 20:51, Sad555 said:

in An office where my wife worked with all adults the h &  s rep required that any vase of flowers was clearly marked “WATER NOT FOR DRINKING “.

 

Sounds like someone who was told to go on the course by their employer so that said employer could tick a box somewhere (quite likely one required by their insurers) when the person came back clutching an attendance certificate, despite having paid scant attention to what they were actually being told.

[Llanigraham]

Having been trained to write Risk Assessments for motor sport events, I have a simple response to anyone who says "Health and Safety doesn't allow ..........". 

"Can you provide me with a copy of the RA that states that please? "

 

 

Funnily enough in every case they haven't been able to!

[Guest FurryFriend]

Dear me, theres a few touchy, pedantic people out in Skodaland this morning...... 

 

You ALL knew exactly what I meant by an overregulated and over nannied country these days, pushed around by the EU and with no backbone any more. 

 

So let's beg to differ, and move on. Or get out the other side of the bed maybe? 

Frankly it's not worth falling out over. Life's too short.

 

If you love HSE I respect your views on it.

I don't. Accept that too. 

 

Edited 6 May, 2018 by FurryFriend

[SurreyJohn]

On 30/04/2018 at 20:24, lawnmowerman said:

Just picked up my Wife's new car today. A 2017 Fabia MKIII with DSG.

 

The crispness and clarity of the MAXIDOT display is stunning in comparison to my 2016 L&K Yeti (and it included MPH!).

 

Did they just leave the Yeti to die as early as 2016?

 

Bill 

 

In a way yes, once decision had been made to build Karoq, no further development happened for Yeti.   Might have been 2015 when further development and upgrades got killed (as they take few months to get into production, unless fast tracked for safety reasons)

 

Unfortunately many parts were unique (not shared with other models) so even some upgrades that happened in other models didn’t make it

 

My own view is Karoq is a sales success, but why there was no Skoda version of Arona size (until whatever arrives end 2019) was a missed opportunity 

[kenfowler3966]

The Karoq may well pick up a few ex Yeti owners who need a new car and want to stay Skoda. The Kodiaq will pick up Yeti owners who need a bigger car for the same reason. They will both pick up buyers who have to follow the fashion in current SUV's.  I think the Yeti was an experiment for Skoda when it came out to see if there was a demand for a car like that. As far as sales go the ability to build them was quite limited, at least initially, as delivery times were extreme. I recall my first one took about 9 months from order to delivery. You are never going to compete with cashcows which are sold from stock.

 

One of my neighbours has bought a Karoq and it does grow on you after a bit, so may have to consider that when its time for my nearly 1 year old Yeti to move on.

I had a Mark 1 superb before the Yeti back in 2005; to take the chinese version of the Passat with the stretched rear was a great idea, and that was a really nice car to own and drive. Shame it didn't get an estate version at the time as it would have been the class leader.

Indeed the stretched Chinese Yeti would also have been a nice option for the uk with the extra rear space and an external spare, if it could have been altered to suit regulations here; a real missed opportunity.

Just a shame Skoda no longer take the risk of an individual car design.

 

Same with the original Yeti; I loved the front appearance but it had to be changed i suppose to follow the brand style, and having now had two facelift models I actually like both versions. (Much prefer the rear design of the facelift to the original though)

 

I still can't find any love for the Roomster though, just doesn't work for me.

Edited 6 May, 2018 by kenfowler3966

[Ootohere]

The truth is that over the years of the life of the production the average delivered new world wide was under 100,000.

there were never more than 14,000 first registered in the UK in any year.

They were just not much of a seller throughout the years of production.   Skoda can spin better than they sell.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/411447-high-demand-for-yeti-continues-as-skoda-expands-factory-capacity 

The longer version China got should have been available in Europe, and a more offroad capable one instead of just keeping showing concepts models like the Yeti Xtreme.

 

Just something they could have built and sold as a workhorse, van, pickup and car as Land Rover were stopping the Defender Production and still have no replacement yet.

 

 

Edited 6 May, 2018 by Offski

[Ootohere]

Skoda / VW had the parts available and the factory capacity to turn out a more focused Yeti Offroader if they had wanted to, 

probably they could have out land rovered JLR.    They were in discussions with JLR to share platforms to build vehicles in India anyway.

 

[kenfowler3966]

I hadn't seen that show car "Yeti Extreme" before.

 

What a missed opportunity as I would have liked to buy something like that.

 

Maybe as the Yeti gets cheaper second hand we may see some more customised ones on the road, and that would be a look to aspire to, and relatively easy externally to achieve.

[WFM]

On 04/05/2018 at 14:41, FurryFriend said:

I accept your point, but it simply confirms what most of us know. We are fed up being nannied! 

 

And I don't read any newspapers either. None of them. 

 

People are incredibly unique, and have the ability to do all sorts of things during their lifetimes. 

But so often, local events are scrapped, traditions that have taken place in this country for centuries are cancelled because of safety and insurance concerns, and RISK is seen as a dirty word. 

 

The same with car design. There are probably some incredibly talented kids out there right now, who, but for endless red tape and regulation could create the cars of the future, but are being crushed down by unnecessary nannying. 

 

Life IS a risk. I prefer to live mine free from all that bureaucracy. And I suspect many millions of people would be a lot better off without such constant interference. I used to saturation dive in the Gulf of Mexico, and it doesn't matter how much safety you build in, there was always the chance that you, the diver, could die  That was the risk. I accepted it, along with the big bucks for the job. My life, my choice. 

 

I'll give you an example. 

Right at the rear of our house is a superb playing field. It is well cared for, mowed, and beautiful. 

Next to it is our local Junior School. 

 

It's only been since last year that the kids have been able to use the field, because up until then, some HSE executive ruling made the decision that it was safer for them to use the school asphalt playground rather than the field because ONE CHILD slipped and displaced a kneecap on the damp grass. 

 

Such is the lunacy........ 

 

I respect what you do, but RISK is, always has been, and always will be part of life. 

 

Again, you are working from a fallacy. There exists no ruling that deems it safer for children to play on asphalt. I am guessing the school took the decision in the interests of the security of the children. They are less easily lost, go missing or abducted from a fenced playground. Again not H&S but you are blaming it. As for risk, life is all about managing it and that is what people like me do for people like you. Unfortunately, the rumours build and turn into truths when in fact, they are nothing more than assumptions.

Edited 7 May, 2018 by WFM

[Guest FurryFriend]

Quote :  "As for risk, life is all about managing it and that is what people like me do for people like you" 

 

You've just summed it up!

Parsimonious nannying just like I said. 

 

Don't bother. People like me, as you call us, are perfectly capable and adult enough to do it all on our own. Really. 

 

 

 

 

 

[ben4012]

On 8 May 2018 at 16:42, FurryFriend said:

Quote :  "As for risk, life is all about managing it and that is what people like me do for people like you" 

 

You've just summed it up!

Parsimonious nannying just like I said. 

 

Don't bother. People like me, as you call us, are perfectly capable and adult enough to do it all on our own. Really. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Adult enough? Why are you still harping on to someone you've never met?

[Sad555]

???????????                          “Yeti doomed in 2016”.            and?

[logiclee]

To pick up on early comments about the Yeti and Octavia.

 

We've had two Yeti's and three Octavia's. 

 

The Yeti is very practical for it's external size. The Mk5 Golf, Mk2 Octavia and Yeti all shared the PQ35 platform so had the same wheelbase but the Yeti had shorter overhangs making it smaller than the Golf. Seating wise the Mk2 Octavia and Yeti have the same cabin space within an inch or two although the Yeti has the Flexible seating. What the Octavia gets is a much longer body giving a much larger boot and larger rear doors giving slightly easier access to the rear seats.

Then moving onto the new Golf and Mk3 Octavia on the MQB platform, the Golf is bigger than the Yeti and the new Octavia has a stretched platform compared to the Golf. The new Octavia is a much bigger car than the Yeti and the rear seat space and boot space is just in a different league but it is a much bigger car.

 

So we find the Yeti can't match the Octavia for practicality but then again it's a much smaller car and is very practical for it's size.

 

Mk3 Octy, Mk2 Octy and Yeti

[WFM]

On 08/05/2018 at 16:42, FurryFriend said:

Quote :  "As for risk, life is all about managing it and that is what people like me do for people like you" 

 

You've just summed it up!

Parsimonious nannying just like I said. 

 

Don't bother. People like me, as you call us, are perfectly capable and adult enough to do it all on our own. Really. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Again, as much as I do respect your views and absolutely defend your right to express them, I do not have to take your opinion as fact. I have hundreds of investigations and photos that would turn your stomach alongside many memories of tragedies caused by people who are, "Perfectly capable and adult enough to do it on their own".

 

Parsimonious nannying does not come into anything I do or have done for over 25 years but I could show you lots of photos of dead adults who were, "Perfectly capable and adult enough".

 

I cannot give you any stories or examples for obvious reasons but the next time you drive your car, take notice of the crumple zones, the multi airbags, the rounded edges, the adaptive cruise, the seat-belts, the anti-lock breaking system, the windscreen wipers, the indicators, the brake lights especially the high level one, the headlights, the fog lights, the auto fuel cut off in a crash, the design of the fuel tank, the tyre technology and fabric, traffic lights, Pelican crossings, speed limits, even the road surface and a multitude of other things you take for granted and ask yourself why they exist.

 

Your opinions are exactly that, opinions. Not fact, truths or anything other than opinions. I am proud of what I have achieved as a safety professional and accident investigator and vehemently refute any suggestion that we, as a profession are not needed.

[Guest FurryFriend]

There never was any intention to offend you.. 

Let's just say we have hugely different opinions, as people do in all walks of life. 

[WFM]

Never took any offence bud, we do have different views but that is what debate is all about.

 

On a different note, I think I saw you a while ago and I've just realised after looking at your pics. I live in Washington but work in Gateshead.

[logiclee]

Health and safety is always a difficult one and brings out differences of opinion. 

I usually find people who spend their time in offices where the biggest hazard is a paper cut find health and safety a joke.

For those of us who work in industries where people die, have attended inquests and funerals and remember past disasters like Piper Alpha and Herald of Free Enterprise are thankfull for the nannying legislation. Because as history shows when legislation is not in place businesses will chase profit over safety.

 

 

Edited 15 May, 2018 by logiclee

[ernieb]

One of the division in my old company manufactured two terminal semiconductor devices for microwave radar applications which used some pretty exotic gases without rules and regulations the potential for an explosion or worse was extremely high.

[Bowdie]

Until I retired last year I worked for a Packaging Company for 24 years. In the early days Lost Time Accidents happened daily but by the time I left we had worked in excess of 3 years without any LTA's. That was down partly to people like WFM helping to install a quality safety culture with their specialist knowledge. Now retired, I still look at things in much the same way and sub-consciously risk assess pretty well everything I do. Without Health and Safety, we'll go straight back to the dark ages. 

[lawnmowerman]

20 minutes ago, Bowdie said:

Until I retired last year I worked for a Packaging Company for 24 years. In the early days Lost Time Accidents happened daily but by the time I left we had worked in excess of 3 years without any LTA's. That was down partly to people like WFM helping to install a quality safety culture with their specialist knowledge. Now retired, I still look at things in much the same way and sub-consciously risk assess pretty well everything I do. Without Health and Safety, we'll go straight back to the dark ages. 

 

Every time I check into a hotel or board a ship the first thing I do is check the safety exits. It can amaze you what can be found and on more than one occasion I have found exits blocked. It also reveals more about the facility than all the glitz at front of house. This check may one day save my life (and that of my family). I recommend the practice to all.

 

On the afternoon of a children's matinee on the 31st December 1929 in a cinema in Paisley  was a scene of a terrible tragedy . 70 children died piled up behind exit doors which were designed to open inwards. The mass evacuation/panic occurred as a result of a film reel combusting and flooding the cinema with smoke. As a result of this tragedy legislation was enacted to ensure all exit doors opened outwards. A sobering thought about health and safety.

 

Bill 

[Expatman]

Like many others posting here I worked in manufacturing industry all my life and witnessed first hand the growth of the Health & safety culture which cut accidents and made everyone much more aware of their responsibilities in ensuring a safe workplace. The problems we have now generally come from lazy employees quoting Health & Safety as the reason not to do something when, in truth, it is no such thing and they just can't be bothered, or, it is over zealous Health & Safety officers who need to be challenged  when their "decisions" fly in the face of common sense. The 'better be safe than sorry' culture can easily lead to risk averse nannying and the removal of personal responsibilities for our actions. A truly safe workplace comes about by everyone being aware of potential risks and hazards and  managing them for the greater good. 

[Sad555]

Perhaps somebody would like to start a new H & S topic of their own because this has f### all to do  with the original topic

[ben4012]

Sorry mr sad sir. Will try harder. 

 

Or you could not ####ing read it.