I have just used the DVLA website to check the registration of a Karoq DSG loan car. And yes it is 999cc, rather than the 1.4tsi I was told. The  performance felt and sounded the same as my 1.4tsi manual Octavia Combi. Astonishing to me, what a surprise. I was driving it pretty gently though and used kickdown a few times on the M1.

On reflection, the fuel consumption was about 7 mpg worse than my Octavia, ~45mpg at legal motorway speeds, according to the trip compeuchter, and a from- cold 5 mile run today saw sub 30mpg in traffic. Had done less than 600 miles and so may get better mpg with experience and mileage.

The message to me is that the 1.0tsi has more than enough performance for normal driving.

Surprised it sounded the same, isn't the 1.0 a 3 cyl?  

Edited 13 June, 20188 yr by juan27

The 1.0Tsi surprised me too, if it’s the same engine it is 3 cylinder 

 

vRS Tdi to 1.0Tsi

 

 

Me too. I'd driven a 3 cylinder Polo some years ago and it did sound like it. But the audible Karoq sound track was just road noise with a bit of wind noise. Hence my surprise.

4 hours ago, gregoir said:

I have just used the DVLA website to check the registration of a Karoq DSG loan car. And yes it is 999cc, rather than the 1.4tsi I was told. The  performance felt and sounded the same as my 1.4tsi manual Octavia Combi. Astonishing to me, what a surprise. I was driving it pretty gently though and used kickdown a few times on the M1.

On reflection, the fuel consumption was about 7 mpg worse than my Octavia, ~45mpg at legal motorway speeds, according to the trip compeuchter, and a from- cold 5 mile run today saw sub 30mpg in traffic. Had done less than 600 miles and so may get better mpg with experience and mileage.

The message to me is that the 1.0tsi has more than enough performance for normal driving.

 

Our 1.2TSi Yeti was always 6-10mpg worse than our 1.2TSi Octavia.

 

That's the penalty you pay for driving a taller heavier crossover.

 

Lee

The 3 cylinder I drove prior to that was a citygo automatic as a courtesy car, I could tell that was a 3 cylinder, and apologies to any citygo owners but it was not too smooth.....

What a difference once they added a turbo to them and they became a 1.0 TSI and not just a 1.0.

As to the ASG (automated manual single clutch)  that Skoda / VW /SEAT had on those engines, just ridiculous in this day and age.

6 hours ago, Greenliner1 said:

The 3 cylinder I drove prior to that was a citygo automatic as a courtesy car, I could tell that was a 3 cylinder, and apologies to any citygo owners but it was not too smooth.....

I think engines in small cars tend to be more obvious irrespective of the number of cylinders. 

I thought the 1.0tsi engine in the Ford Focus I drove in the UK a couple of years back was good for NVH, although I was disappointed with economy and low rev tractability compared to my 1.4tsi.

My memories of driving a 3 cylinder Daihatsu Charade was that it was on par with say the 4 cylinder in a Toyota Echo (Yaris) but then I don't expect sophistication in a cheap small car.

I have read many posts from owners of 3 cylinder engines in this Forum and really cannot recall any real criticisms of NVH emanating from the engine, in fact most are quite complimentary. Might be my selective memory though :( 

 

7 hours ago, logiclee said:

 

Our 1.2TSi Yeti was always 6-10mpg worse than our 1.2TSi Octavia.

 

That's the penalty you pay for driving a taller heavier crossover.

 

Lee

The respective drag coefficients do support you.

The Octavia (mk2 and 3) are quoted at 0.30 for sedan and 0.31 for the estate; The Karoq is 0.34; the Yeti is 0.37.

Total drag is frontal area x cd but I don't have all the frontal area figures for a genuine comparison.

 

The thing is that as far as I am aware neither the old NEDC or the new world standardised fuel tests include aero drag factor for the laboratory based rolling road tests.

Around town it would not make that much difference but on the open road and higher speeds the opposite would be true.

 

13 hours ago, Greenliner1 said:

The 3 cylinder I drove prior to that was a citygo automatic as a courtesy car, I could tell that was a 3 cylinder, and apologies to any citygo owners but it was not too smooth.....

 

We have a manual Citigo, it’s a peach to drive. Free revving engine with fantastic road holding.

I was given an automatic one as courtesy car recently, what a heap of shi@£..

The worst example of an auto box I have ever driven.

and it was seasick green to make matters worse..

Welcome to the impressed club.

See many other posts

Lots are mine 

Lol

On 13/06/2018 at 14:20, gregoir said:

I have just used the DVLA website to check the registration of a Karoq DSG loan car. And yes it is 999cc, rather than the 1.4tsi I was told.

 

Only 1.0tsi I tried was in a SEAT Ateca just over a year ago and that was mighty impressive, much more refined than any 1.0 Focus or Clio that I've driven.

 

However just because the DVLA website says 999cc that doesn't mean you were driving the 3cyl.  I've owned several cars that were incorrectly labelled on DVLA website.  Information on there is only as good as the information submitted to them.

 

 

I've driven an Up and didn't find the 3 cyl, harsh - just makes a different noise from a 4.  I guess the Karoq must just be so refined that you can hardly hear the 3

Driving my wife's hire car Q2 with the 1.0tsi is what made me change my mind about ordering a diesel - the fact the 1.0tsi also sounds like my bike also makes me chuckle 

On ‎13‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 14:20, gregoir said:

I have just used the DVLA website to check the registration of a Karoq DSG loan car. And yes it is 999cc, rather than the 1.4tsi I was told. The  performance felt and sounded the same as my 1.4tsi manual Octavia Combi. Astonishing to me, what a surprise. I was driving it pretty gently though and used kickdown a few times on the M1.

On reflection, the fuel consumption was about 7 mpg worse than my Octavia, ~45mpg at legal motorway speeds, according to the trip compeuchter, and a from- cold 5 mile run today saw sub 30mpg in traffic. Had done less than 600 miles and so may get better mpg with experience and mileage.

The message to me is that the 1.0tsi has more than enough performance for normal driving.

It's not a 1.4Tsi anyway, should know wife's been driving 1.5Tsi manual SEL Karoq for the last 5 months and 5,000miles and yes it will get more economical because hers has averaged (calculated from litres put in tank) just over 44mpg. Her previous car was the 104bhp Skoda Spaceback which averaged just over 46mpg for comparison over 3 years and more than 28,000miles.

On 13/06/2018 at 18:47, gregoir said:

Me too. I'd driven a 3 cylinder Polo some years ago and it did sound like it. But the audible Karoq sound track was just road noise with a bit of wind noise. Hence my surprise.

 

Does it have one of those speakers behind the dash that gives an engine noise? That may have hidden the 3cyl sound

15 minutes ago, ScoutCJB said:

That may have hidden the 3cyl sound

That would be a shame, I like the half-order sound from 3 and 5 cylinder engines IMHO it's got more character than any 4 cylinder engine. Still not a match for a V8 though... 

I do agree about the engine note ..... although those street racers in 1 litre Corsas play on my mind 

Going to end up like fords 3cy eco boost lots of power but works to hard to make it short life poor real world mpg 

27 minutes ago, Scout151 said:

Going to end up like fords 3cy eco boost lots of power but works to hard to make it short life poor real world mpg 

My  limited Ford 1.0tsi 3cy experience concurs with the difficulty of getting really good economy out of it (best of 45 mpg) but I had no idea that durability of this engine was considered poor. Not that many 1.0tsi Fiesta/Focus sold in Australia, although the Getrag double clutch gearbox fiasco made headlines here even with its limited numbers.

 

Those reporting  here about the VW/Skoda 1.0tsi are getting very good economy figures even at higher speeds where you would think it would struggle. 

I honestly do not think that engine size has much bearing on durability. We have a lot of big engine V6 and V8 cars on Australian roads and my experience is that they are no more reliable than small capacity vehicles in normal road use.

My in-laws small 1.0 3 cyl Charade gave up after 300k km. Despite very irregular and missed schedule services it was the chassis, not the engine that failed.

 

Only time will tell whether the VW 1.0tsi is truly reliable but no real issues so far reported from anyone.