Is Kamiq the new Yeti?

[PeterKn]

3 hours ago, VAGCF said:

I think you will find it a drop down in quality after the Yeti. In-laws have the 1.4 Boosterjet auto which goes well and is smooth but the doors are light and don't close with a nice thunk like the Yeti and the interior isn't as good quality. At least with the latest version they have dropped the naff pinky-purple vent surrounds.

Hello. I drove a Subaru Forester XT auto from new in 2004 until 2017 when I sold it and bought a used VW Golf Estate 1.4tsi dsg. Primarily for economy. It was a late low milage car, big long boot, peppy engine, smooth to drive. After six months I traded it in for my Yeti. Visibility in the Golf was very poor generally, the interior mirror seemed to block out a huge chunk of windscreen, the car was too low and uncomfortable to get in and out of, and I couldn't go over the lowest kerb without scraping something. The cargo area, although long, had no height. The Yeti is so much better in all those respects. I did have a look at a Vitara in a showroom, but held off and went for the Yeti instead. After buying the Yeti and joining this forum I am now constantly worried about my dsg and clutches, and other reliability issues, and sometimes wish I had given the Vitara a bit more consideration, light doors and hard plastics and all. Only time will tell. 

[Fabcol]

Hi,

 

Recently I've noticed lots of Kia Sportages?

 

Kind regards, Colin.

[VAGCF]

Only recently? Round here there's loads and Qashquis, and have been for quite some time.

[juan27]

In the process of buying a Yeti as new as we can get and there is certainly nothing in the latest Skoda SUV range that replaces it.

 

We came round to a Yeti after looking into a  brand new Dacia Duster which I think remains attractive at lower trim levels but starts to look decidedly low rent  when you are paying circa £19K  for one with all the bells and whistles in 4x4 form.   Also the interminable wait for the latest version to come on the market with newest TCe petrol engine in 4x4  form meant we started to look elsewhere.  

 

 

[Fabcol]

Hi,

 

I'd never buy a car who's name I couldn't pronounce or even spell like a Nissan Qashquis VAGCF? There are quite a few Nissan Juke's around here but I think they are ugly and we also considered a Dacia Duster juan27 but feel we would be lowing ourselves should we buy one; the Duster's though are increasing in numbers and they don't look too bad at all.

 

Normally Bron and I would be trading in now for a new car but instead we've decided there's nothing at all better for us than our current Yeti; we've just taxed it at £30 for a year; tomorrow the insurance is due but this time we've included roadside assistance etc and are happy with the £444 for the year; we've also taken out another three years GAP insurance up to £14,000 and next month it's due its service; very cheap indeed considering we expected to pay well in excess of £10,000 if we traded in;  funds aren't a problem but finding a Yeti replacement sure is.

 

The biggest worry I have in keeping a modern car is how long the electronics will last before they fail; I always switch off the automatic stop/start because it's just another thing to eventually go wrong?

 

Kind regards, Colin.

 

[oldstan]

No-one's mentioned the latest incarnation of the Citroen Berlingo, which they now refer to as the Berlingo MPV.

 

I imagine it's not exactly a  like for like swap for a Yeti although I'd have thought it could, possibly, have it's redeeming features given the amount of useful room and the square and tall design.

 

Lots of video reviews although this one is quite comprehensive (as are all the videos on that site)

 

https://www.caranddriving.com/road-test-video-review.aspx?id=11736&autoplay=1

 

Citroen have threatened an automatic (an 8 speed torque converter, same as in the new diesel) in the more powerful petrol version but it hasn't arrived yet.

 

I guess, like the Duster, it won't have enough badge appeal for some. 

 

Reliability of French cars is debateable but you see thousands of these things (in van form) on the roads being driven like lunatics and doing mega miles (the Royal Mail, for instance) and you don't see loads of broken down examples by the roadside.

[Robjon]

3 hours ago, oldstan said:

No-one's mentioned the latest incarnation of the Citroen Berlingo, which they now refer to as the Berlingo MPV.

 

Citroen have threatened an automatic (an 8 speed torque converter, same as in the new diesel) in the more powerful petrol version but it hasn't arrived yet.

 

If and when Citroen does introduce a petrol auto, I may have to eat a huge slice of humble pie.  Twenty years ago, I bought one of the first Berlingo Multispace 4-door MPVs and my experience led me to call it Schitroen.  I swore hell would freeze over before I bought another French car.  I was only too pleased to be able to part-ex it for a Roomster, which remains my all-time favourite car.

 

However it seems since then, Citroens have improved beyond recognition and @GeneralPurpose's experience with his would support this.  So when the time comes to replace my Yeti (and in the absence of an updated Roomster) the Berlingo will definitely be a contender.

 

And of course if I *really* didn't want the Citroen badge, then there's always the Peugeot Partner and Vauxhall Combo variants 

Edited 15 June, 2019 by Robjon

[Fabcol]

Hi,

 

Years ago Bron and I owned two 2CV's and these were workhorses never letting us down; we bought a Citroen BX and this by contrast was the worst car we have ever owned and put us off Citroens for life; we'll never even bother to look at Citroens again.

 

40 years ago I owned a classic split screen VW camper and it was most pleasant and relaxing to drive; I note VW are planning a similar but very upgraded car;

 

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/155902/retro-volkswagen-id-buzz-concept-a-reality-by-2022

 

Looks interesting but I'd like it a whole lot better if it was diesel?

 

Kind regards, Colin.

[oldstan]

1 hour ago, Fabcol said:

Hi,

 

Years ago Bron and I owned two 2CV's and these were workhorses never letting us down; we bought a Citroen BX and this by contrast was the worst car we have ever owned and put us off Citroens for life; we'll never even bother to look at Citroens again.

 

40 years ago I owned a classic split screen VW camper and it was most pleasant and relaxing to drive; I note VW are planning a similar but very upgraded car;

 

https://www.carbuyer.co.uk/news/155902/retro-volkswagen-id-buzz-concept-a-reality-by-2022

 

Looks interesting but I'd like it a whole lot better if it was diesel?

 

Kind regards, Colin.

 

I've got to ask ... if you'd bought a 1977 Skoda Estelle and found it to have been a rogue Skoda that kept going wrong or the handling was dreadful, would that have stopped you buying any subsequent Skodas.... and, ergo, your current Yeti?

[Fabcol]

Hi,

 

Many thanks for asking oldstan. The answer is yes because once bitten etc and there are plenty of car manufacturers to choose from. The Citroen BX we had was terrible; I forget the year but it wasn't old and it was low mileage; the front subframe had rotted allowing the engine unit to move around needing welding; during dry weather the wipers would randomly activate; after a downpour of rain upon starting the car and it lifting on its suspension it would deposit about a pint of water into the passenger footwell; we spent the best part of a Saturday morning whilst the supplying dealer removed the carb; the pressure unit kept ticking and the dealer said it would be an expensive fix not being a DIY job? We visited a Citroen specialist; bought a second hand pressure unit that I fitted at the roadside; we were glad to see the back of the thing and sorry if this upsets Citroen enthusiasts but it was enough to put us off Citroens for life.

 

Kind regards, Colin.

[longedge]

I had a long string of Citroens, Visa, AX, GS Pallas, BX, ZX, Xantia and I had issues with every single one of them but for some reason that I don't understand now I kept going back for more punishment. It was the dealership that finally broke me of the habit when I PX'd the 15 month old Xantia and they offered the lowest price of every dealer I visited. I went back with the figures and they said sorry but they were overstocked and couldn't budge. I saw red and walked out after saying I was now an ex-customer and have never been through the door again. I ended up buying a Toyota Corolla which I finally gave to my grandson after I'd run it more or less trouble free for nearly 16 years.

[Robjon]

Thanks Colin, you've reminded me of just how bad my Berlingo was. 

 

My Schitroen had to go back three times under warranty due to suspension, alternator and front seat failures.  I'm afraid I couldn't be @rsed to take it back (yet) again after various bits of interior and exterior trim fell off, so I glued them back on myself.  Then just after the warranty expired, the front seat failed again, a wingmirror fell off, the dashboard would randomly light up like a Christmas tree and the engine would suddenly sound like a bag of nails until it was switched off and re-started.  The rear brake cylinders failed at the second MoT, then the driver's door lock packed up and the clutch pedal started to graunch.  Finally, the interior mirror fell of during my journey to the local Skoda dealer to collect my new Roomster.  I was relieved to get rid of the thing!

 

Cheers Colin - ten years of faultless service from Skoda cars (and my Skoda dealer) had obviously played tricks with my memory!

[oldstan]

All the above received, ta.

 

I'm currently looking to change my central heating boiler as it's well over twenty years old and has a cast iron heat exchanger which sheds occasional black bits of magnetite - and I was starting to think that sorting through the various manufacturers for a trustworthy one is worse than deciding which car manufacturer can be trusted. Ask five heating installers what boiler they recommend and you get five totally different opinions.  It's usually a Worcester or a Vaillant that crops up first as being the best  - but then you see a bunch of installers who hate them with a passion etc etc etc.

 

But maybe choosing a new car is just as bad - if not worse?

 

I suppose it's no surprise to see these nightmare Citroen tales of woe as we've come to expect French horror stories over the years. 

 

I had a couple of French cars from new in the 1990's (Clio diesel & 205 diesel) and an ancient, but very comfortable, Renault 16 going back to the 70's or 80's.  The new ones were OK but, admittedly, the Renault 16 did develop some  rather life threatening rust underneath and went to the scap yard.

 

I just thought that with so many Berlingo's, Dispatches and their Peugeot equivalents being used commercially that they must be reliable otherwise the companies that run them would have ditched them years ago......and that if they were sound enough for commercial use then they must be OK for much lighter, domestic duties.

 

It just happens that, as is being discussed in this thread, the ideal replacement for a Yeti is hard to find and I wondered if we'd almost found it in the latest Berlingo?

[MarieK]

19 minutes ago, oldstan said:

All the above received, ta.

 

I'm currently looking to change my central heating boiler as it's well over twenty years old and has a cast iron heat exchanger which sheds occasional black bits of magnetite - and I was starting to think that sorting through the various manufacturers for a trustworthy one is worse than deciding which car manufacturer can be trusted. Ask five heating installers what boiler they recommend and you get five totally different opinions.  It's usually a Worcester or a Vaillant that crops up first as being the best  - but then you see a bunch of installers who hate them with a passion etc etc etc.

 

But maybe choosing a new car is just as bad - if not worse?

 

I suppose it's no surprise to see these nightmare Citroen tales of woe as we've come to expect French horror stories over the years. 

 

I had a couple of French cars from new in the 1990's (Clio diesel & 205 diesel) and an ancient, but very comfortable, Renault 16 going back to the 70's or 80's.  The new ones were OK but, admittedly, the Renault 16 did develop some  rather life threatening rust underneath and went to the scap yard.

 

I just thought that with so many Berlingo's, Dispatches and their Peugeot equivalents being used commercially that they must be reliable otherwise the companies that run them would have ditched them years ago......and that if they were sound enough for commercial use then they must be OK for much lighter, domestic duties.

 

It just happens that, as is being discussed in this thread, the ideal replacement for a Yeti is hard to find and I wondered if we'd almost found it in the latest Berlingo?

 

Baxi boiler 😉😄

[Ootohere]

Just as well there is the Peugeot Rifter available & in 2 lengths, as well as the Sister cars from Citroen & Vauxhall.

Lovely vehicles the Rifter IMO.

 

& while people were having Citroen issues Peugeot's like the were all over the world as taxi's or even the choice of vehicles for Warlords in various world regions.

Many from the 1960's / 70's still are on the go in the harshest of environments. Hatch, Estate, Van or Pickup or as a vehicle to mount rocket launchers on if no Toyota pickups have survived.

http://lancasterinsurance.co.uk/news/2018/august/20/built-to-last---50-years-of-the-peugeot-504/

Sorry link not working, google it if interested.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 17 June, 2019 by Skoffski

[juan27]

We are currently exchanging a C3 Picasso for a newer Yeti and whilst the Yeti is streets ahead in perceived quality (and reputation) it has to be said the C3 Picasso has only needed the heater fan control switch replaced in 3 years ownership. 

 

They are as cheap as chips and if I was in the market for family holdall on a tight budget it would probably be on my list.    

[oldstan]

All the above noted with much interest.

 

Re. Baxi. yes, that's on the list of boilers (not a combi, by the way) being/been considered.

Along with Ideal, Glow-worm, Viessmann, Intergas, Atag and, of course not forgetting Worcester and Vaillant (although the WB, Vaillant and Atag are towards the lower end of the list).

 

Re. Citroen vs Peugeot, and particularly in connection with the Berlingo, my understanding is that, apart from items of trim, they're, mechanically and electrically they're pretty much the same, so it would only depend on  price and the convenience or reputation of the dealer plus the colour or which of them you liked the look of?

[kenfowler3966]

My brother loves the big Citroen’s. He is pally with a main dealer and they sell him 6 year old or so trade ins for virtually nothing as no sensible buyer would look at them. Them runs them for another 6 years or so and puts at least 150k on them. Any issues his pal fixes it at trade cost or it is scrapped and he gets another. He loves them and the seat shape suits him.

I made the mistake of buying new BX as it seemed ok on the test drive. However the crippling back pain after as little as 30 miles and the single wiper not clearing the part of the screen my right eye looked through ruined it for me. Got rid after a year and bought my first VW, a Jetta. Super car we had for 3 years.

[Expatman]

3 hours ago, oldstan said:

All the above received, ta.

 

I'm currently looking to change my central heating boiler as it's well over twenty years old and has a cast iron heat exchanger which sheds occasional black bits of magnetite - and I was starting to think that sorting through the various manufacturers for a trustworthy one is worse than deciding which car manufacturer can be trusted. Ask five heating installers what boiler they recommend and you get five totally different opinions.  It's usually a Worcester or a Vaillant that crops up first as being the best  - but then you see a bunch of installers who hate them with a passion etc etc etc.

 

 

Keep your old boiler - it will outlast any of the new ones. Install a magnetic trap if you want to collect any magnetite and you are good to go for years. Modern boilers are lucky to last 5 years before you hit the expense of another replacement - swamps any theoretical savings you get from “modern” boilers.

[oldstan]

All received, XP.

 

You're not the first to say that.

 

I did fit a Spirotech MB3 a couple of years ago, after I drained the downstairs rads and gave them all a rinse out.  There's also a shedload of additive in there too. It's had the Sentinel X800 and X400 treatment a good while ago, since then I've been sticking this little fella in ... https://www.toolstation.com/central-heating-cleanser-descaler-inhibitor/p45091 .

In fact there's five litres gone in over the last couple of years.

 

Thanks for the thoughts, there - appreciated.

[Expatman]

On 27/05/2019 at 15:44, PeterKn said:

After buying the Yeti and joining this forum I am now constantly worried about my dsg and clutches, and other reliability issues, and sometimes wish I had given the Vitara a bit more consideration, light doors and hard plastics and all. Only time will tell. 

I am on my third Skoda with the DQ200 DSG box and have had no problems whatsoever. My latest Yeti 1.2 Tsi DSG SEL was bought as a replacement for a 2012 model because I couldn't find any other vehicle that had the attributes of the Yeti. First time ever I had bought the same model twice. The DSG box on my 2017 model is far superior to the earlier version, smoother and quicker take up of drive etc. I wouldn't worry about the DSG box, certainly there have been failures but the vast majority are fine. I don't think I would keep one over 100,000 miles - but that goes for most modern cars with their complicated emission systems and electronics!

[Fabcol]

Hi,

 

After a disastrous Ideal Isar combi boiler ending up costing over £300 per year to insure with BG enough was enough. Three years ago I posted on a DIY forum asking for suggestions as to a boiler replacement and INTERGAS were very highly recommended so we had an INTERGAS combi boiler installed and apart from the odd pressure top up and yearly service it's been brilliant and still has four years warranty to run. These INTERGAS boilers though need installing by a professional INTERGAS installer; water pressure and water cleanliness in the system are very important. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBijTuSN0aU

 

Good luck with your boiler choice oldstan; as you rightly say ask five boiler installers and receive five different suggestions. One thing regarding central heating boilers is they seldom break down when it's warm outside; our IINTERGAS installer departed for home at 10pm with 3" deep snow on the top of his van; he sure grafted that day.

 

As with boilers it really comes down to  the individual with the funds as to choice of car they make; we're all different.

 

Kind regards, Colin. 

[VAGCF]

On ‎15‎/‎06‎/‎2019 at 15:05, Fabcol said:

Hi,

 

I'd never buy a car who's name I couldn't pronounce or even spell like a Nissan Qashquis VAGCF? There are quite a few Nissan Juke's around here but I think they are ugly and we also considered a Dacia Duster juan27 but feel we would be lowing ourselves should we buy one; the Duster's though are increasing in numbers and they don't look too bad at all.

 

Normally Bron and I would be trading in now for a new car but instead we've decided there's nothing at all better for us than our current Yeti; we've just taxed it at £30 for a year; tomorrow the insurance is due but this time we've included roadside assistance etc and are happy with the £444 for the year; we've also taken out another three years GAP insurance up to £14,000 and next month it's due its service; very cheap indeed considering we expected to pay well in excess of £10,000 if we traded in;  funds aren't a problem but finding a Yeti replacement sure is.

 

The biggest worry I have in keeping a modern car is how long the electronics will last before they fail; I always switch off the automatic stop/start because it's just another thing to eventually go wrong?

 

Kind regards, Colin.

 

  I'm good at spelling and usually take a pride in it but even though I knew I'd probably spelt it wrong couldn't be bothered to look it up! I wasn't that far out though! I'll buck my ideas up next time!

 

Chris

[oldstan]

1 hour ago, Fabcol said:

Hi,

 

After a disastrous Ideal Isar combi boiler ending up costing over £300 per year to insure with BG enough was enough. Three years ago I posted on a DIY forum asking for suggestions as to a boiler replacement and INTERGAS were very highly recommended so we had an INTERGAS combi boiler installed and apart from the odd pressure top up and yearly service it's been brilliant and still has four years warranty to run. These INTERGAS boilers though need installing by a professional INTERGAS installer; water pressure and water cleanliness in the system are very important. 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBijTuSN0aU

 

Good luck with your boiler choice oldstan; as you rightly say ask five boiler installers and receive five different suggestions. One thing regarding central heating boilers is they seldom break down when it's warm outside; our IINTERGAS installer departed for home at 10pm with 3" deep snow on the top of his van; he sure grafted that day.

 

As with boilers it really comes down to  the individual with the funds as to choice of car they make; we're all different.

 

Kind regards, Colin. 

 

 

We must caution against a major thread drift (and a very off topic one at that), however you mentioned Intergas. And you'll have seen Intergas was in my list above too.

 

Firstly, common sense dictates I should wait for my old boiler to give up the ghost before seriously contemplating replacing it. But, as I might have said, I'm doing my homework so as to be ready for a terminal failure (although Ideal Classic boilers with cast iron heat exchangers aren't known for giving up without a fight).

 

As it happens, last week I went to see the latest Intergas combi which was on display courtesy of their area representative but in my own case I would go for a, simpler, "heat only" version so pressure doesn't apply (gravity fed with open vent) - but as you say, despite them having wide bore copper tube waterways the water still has to be checked (and flushed) for cleanliness before installation  The fella who I have in mind to fit a replacement is booked in for the next Intergas training course.

 

Ta for the thoughts offered.

[PeterKn]

4 hours ago, Expatman said:

I am on my third Skoda with the DQ200 DSG box and have had no problems whatsoever. My latest Yeti 1.2 Tsi DSG SEL was bought as a replacement for a 2012 model because I couldn't find any other vehicle that had the attributes of the Yeti. First time ever I had bought the same model twice. The DSG box on my 2017 model is far superior to the earlier version, smoother and quicker take up of drive etc. I wouldn't worry about the DSG box, certainly there have been failures but the vast majority are fine. I don't think I would keep one over 100,000 miles - but that goes for most modern cars with their complicated emission systems and electronics!

Thanks for that Expatman, those are maybe the first reassuring words I've heard on the DQ200! I do like it to drive.