Brexit petition

[Ootohere]

Looks like the Democratic Vote will be another General Election after the members of the Conservative and Unionist Party get to chose a new leader to then stand in a General Election.

 

Still due to leave the EU on the 29th as things stand.

 

Today the scare story is on MP's / a committee discussing benefits for EU citizens in the UK that are not UK citizens.

Many forces at work in smoke filled rooms.

 

Civil Servants saying that Cabinet Meetings are supposed to be about running the country not running the Party in Government.

Edited 26 March, 2019 by Skoffski

[expostmanpat]

5 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

It is being reported she will have a wee announcement to make tomorrow to give the C&U Party to think about, pulling a rabbit out of Jacob Rees-Mogg MP's Top Hat then.

What a bunch there are for self interest and preservation.

I think, hope, it as gone too far now for May, even if she pulls The DUP and ERG onside i think she may have lost some of the ones that originally voted for her deal that would prefer a guarenteed custom union or single market.

[expostmanpat]

11 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

Looks like the Democratic Vote will be another General Election after the members of the Conservative and Unionist Party get to chose a new leader to then stand in a General Election.

 

Still due to leave the EU on the 29th as things stand.

 

Today the scare story is on MP's / a committee discussing benefits for EU citizens in the UK that are not UK citizens.

Many forces at work in smoke filled rooms.

 

Civil Servants saying that Cabinet Meetings are supposed to be about running the country not running the Party in Government.

GE will solve nothing unless A50 is revoked first. Certainly the tories must realise they wont win a GE if they stand on the hard brexit manifesto, the same reason that the ERG etc dont want a second referendom. Any party with half a brain must realise the easiest way now to gain power at a GE is to gurantee a soft brexit at worst. (ie still acknowledge the majority of the leave vote, which was a demonstration against eu lawmakers power, and allieviate the worries of the majority of remainers.) IMO the majority of remainers would be happy with a compromise that means jobs and industry are safe and stable, supply and trade is stable, and travel into europe is not hindered by customs delays and time restricted.

[shyVRS245]

19 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

We (supposedly) live in a Parliamentary democracy rather than a Plebiscitary democracy. Something which people seem to have forgotten.
MPs have a sworn duty to do what is in the best interests of their constituents and the country. We elect them to make the tough decisions on our behalf.

Anyway...............

 

 

Clearly Professor Brian Cox did not do well in his English class at school. Must have been very excited when he typed ARGUMENT.

[Russ77]

13 hours ago, VWD said:

Heads in sand comes to mind. 17 ODD million folks said we WANT to LEAVE the EU. Now , a lot of folks who were not prepared to abide by a Constitutional referendum have decided that ( as per EU ideas) thy can challenge the wishes of the UK electorate in a fair ballot.

 

I totally understand the sentiment of what you're saying and I'm in no way trying to cast dispersion on your political beliefs or your opinion on whether we should or shouldn't leave the EU.

 

Both "camps" were guilty of focusing on the fear-factor of the other camp rather than laying out the benefits of their own agenda.  For example, we now know the £350M per year "saving" after leaving the EU was complete nonsense, It's probably also fair to say some of the Remain propaganda wasn't particularly factual either.

 

If we could wind the clock back 3 years, perhaps there could have been a soft vote to get a consensus of whether there was a majority of people who would be in favour of leaving the EU.  If that went in favour of a "leave" then both camps would then have x weeks/months to perform due diligence and present facts/figures, positives/negatives for remaining or leaving.

 

After that had taken place we would then have a referendum so everyone has a fair (well as fair as possible) chance to vote for the future of the country based on actuals, rather than ifs/buts/maybes.

 

My personal view is that a lot of people have possibly changed their mind based on the events since the referendum.

 

At the moment it feels like leaving would be like blindly jumping off a cliff without knowing how high the drop is or what we're landing on.  Or to use another analogy I've heard.......  Those who voted for Brexit and want it to happen, is akin to someone being told they have weeks to live, booking a ticket to dignitas and then being told the diagnosis was wrong and they're going to make a full recovery but saying they're still going to Dignitas as they've booked their ticket.

 

 

Edited 26 March, 2019 by Russ77

[@Lee]

6 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Clearly Professor Brian Cox did not do well in his English class at school. Must have been very excited when he typed ARGUMENT.

That's all you took from that is it? 

[expostmanpat]

10 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Clearly Professor Brian Cox did not do well in his English class at school. Must have been very excited when he typed ARGUMENT.

Obviously you are better educated. 

[shyVRS245]

5 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

That's all you took from that is it? 

Thought a Professor was supposed to be more intelligent than me. Not so sure now. Experts always right like the price of milk about to go up as claimed by someone on here. Spar still selling 2 litres for £1, same as months ago.

Edited 26 March, 2019 by shyVRS245
MISSING WORD

[Ootohere]

I take it the DUP will not do it & withdraw from the Confidence and supply deal, but the Conservative & Unionist are the UK Government because of them.

A General Election is not out of the question, and more likely than revoking Article 50 anytime soon.

[shyVRS245]

Looking like Remainer May finally going to accept responsibility for not leaving the EU by March 29th 2019 and announce tomorrow when she will step down as PM. Long overdue IMHO.

[@Lee]

 

[@Lee]

Long extension coming? That'd mean MEP elections...............
 

https://news.sky.com/story/dup-prefer-long-brexit-delay-to-pms-deal-sky-sources-11675614

[gadgetman]

An extension like that won't pass the house 

[@Lee]

Interesting thread...........
 

 

[Ootohere]

So the petition has resulted in there being a debate on Monday.

Well done to the millions.

Edited 26 March, 2019 by Skoffski

[lol-lol]

4 hours ago, gadgetman said:

An extension like that won't pass the house 

 

Some unionist are still waiting for their Irish passport to come through so would welcome the delay. 

[@Lee]

4 hours ago, gadgetman said:

An extension like that won't pass the house 

The flat-earthers and dinosaur-deniers would vote for it by the look of it

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/102825/blow-theresa-may-dup-mp-says

[lol-lol]

6 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

The flat-earthers and dinosaur-deniers would vote for it by the look of it

https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/theresa-may/news/102825/blow-theresa-may-dup-mp-says

 

First time  for everything.   Actually glad for something DUP doing.

[@Lee]

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/study-finds-brexit-has-ceased-to-be-the-will-of-the-people/26/03/
 

[@Lee]

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There is something quite unusual about the e-petition to revoke Article 50. Well, there are a few things that are unusual about it but I’ll focus on this one for now: its supporters have a target to meet.

https://theconversation.com/can-the-revoke-article-50-petition-change-the-course-of-brexit-114217

[@Lee]

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A “no-deal” scenario

In a “no-deal” scenario, the UK will become a third country without any transitionary arrangements. All EU primary and secondary law will cease to apply to the UK from that moment onwards. There will be no transition period, as provided for in the Withdrawal Agreement. This will obviously cause significant disruption for citizens and businesses. 

In such a scenario, the UK's relations with the EU would be governed by general international public law, including rules of the World Trade Organisation. The EU will be required to immediately apply its rules and tariffs at its borders with the UK. This includes checks and controls for customs, sanitary and phytosanitary standards and verification of compliance with EU norms. Despite the considerable preparations of the Member States' customs authorities, these controls could cause significant delays at the border. UK entities would also cease to be eligible to receive EU grants and to participate in EU procurement procedures under current terms. 

Similarly, UK citizens will no longer be citizens of the European Union. They will be subject to additional checks when crossing borders into the European Union. Again, Member States have made considerable preparations at ports and airports to ensure that these checks are done as efficiently as possible, but they may nevertheless cause delays. 

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European Commission - Press release

Brexit preparedness: EU completes preparations for possible “no-deal” scenario on 12 April

Brussels, 25 March 2019

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-1813_en.htm

Project Fear 

[essexalan]

DUP change of stance probably due to May informing the House that NI was not ready for a hard Brexit. When questioned on this she responded by telling them that without a Government  in place the civil service was running blind.

First of the major parties to officially support revoking Article 50 could well take a bit of a hammering in the next GE but who knows with our electorate.

 

[lol-lol]

Even Farage prefers and extension !!!!

 

 

 

[lol-lol]

WOW.....  https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2019/03/27/report-by-president-donald-tusk-to-the-european-parliament-on-march-european-council-meetings/

European Council Speech - 27/03/2019 - 09:25

Report by President Donald Tusk to the European Parliament on March European Council meetings  ......

Turning to Brexit. As requested by Prime Minister May, the European Council decided to approve the so-called Strasbourg agreement. Leaders also considered the UK's request for a short extension of the Article 50 period. Our decision on extension envisages two scenarios. First, if the Withdrawal Agreement is passed by the House of Commons this week, the European Council agreed to a technical extension until 22 May.  Second, if the Withdrawal Agreement is not approved by the House of Commons this week, the European Council agreed to an extension until 12 April, while expecting the United Kingdom to indicate a way forward.  As I said after the European Council, 12 April is a key date in terms of the UK deciding whether to hold European Parliament elections. 12 April is the new cliff-edge date. Before that day, the UK still has a choice of a deal, no-deal, a long extension or revoking Article 50.    And here, let me make one personal remark to the Members of this Parliament. Before the European Council, I said that we should be open to a long extension if the UK wishes to rethink its Brexit strategy, which would of course mean the UK's participation in the European Parliament elections. And then there were voices saying that this would be harmful or inconvenient to some of you. Let me be clear: such thinking is unacceptable. You cannot betray the six million people who signed the petition to revoke Article 50, the one million people who marched for a People's Vote, or the increasing majority of people who want to remain in the European Union. They may feel that they are not sufficiently represented by the UK Parliament, but they must feel that they are represented by you in this chamber.  Because they are Europeans.

 

[Skoda_newby]

Good to see you all. During our 'break', I found this interesting viewing: