7 Speed - DSG Gearbox - Repair/Fix

[M22 DKB - Darren Beattie]

Hi Guys, I find myself coming for help in the case my Vrs's gearbox has packed up to a certain extent. I was driving on the motorway @70mph, went onto the exit and slowed down to 3rd then it started flashing "3" and went into limp. As I'm having a little panic to myself thinking it's away to give up in the middle of the road it jumped back into gear and drove a little. But it seems the gearbox is very confused, screams to limiter in 1st, then hops to 3rd, then to 5th and vista versa. Diagnostics state gearbox fault. I don't know where or who will fix this, any help in the matter would be greatly appreciated. I know it won't be cheap but does anyone know a garage that can fix? 

 

Cheers

Darren

[Ootohere]

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When was your car built.

2010-2012 or 2013-2014/15 ?

 

If the first has it had Service Campaign '34F7'.  Oil changed from Synthetic to Mineral & a software update.   Sticker in the boot with '34F7'.

or if from 2012/13 '34H5'.  Software Update.

 

You have Charles Butler in Forfar. Behind Farm Foods and ask Jeff.

Mechatronic Control Unit, Clutch Packs, or what is needed.

http://charlesbutlermotor-forfar.co.uk

 

 

 

Or Skoda Specialist Cars Dundee.     Not much else choice.   Do not trust just anyone.   It is going to cost a lot.

[Mickmartin]

It's only selecting gears 1,3,5 because they run off multi-plate clutch "K1" and gears 2,4,6 and reverse run of multi-plate clutch"K2", which means there's an problem with either the mech or clutch.

 

What's is the exact error? sounds like your mechatronic unit is failing and the gear selector forks have stuck not allowing it to engage into the gears that K2 requires.

Edited 18 July, 2019 by Mickmartin

[M22 DKB - Darren Beattie]

Hey guys, I went for a little run last night, on start up the engine management light is on (orange) selected drive and going grandad slow it got 1st, 2nd, 3rd then I got reverse. Again into drive going slow I got 1st, 2nd, and put the foot down in 3rd it flashes 'D' screams to the limiter, cuts power and then starts flashing 'D3' from then on I only get 1st, 3rd and 5th, i try reverse and it doesn't do nothing. But if I turn the engine off and on again I can start again with no flashing signs and get reverse once more. The car is getting picked up today and is away to Charles Butler in Forfar - thanks for the tip, only other place I could find was in Glasgow. Fingers crossed it can be fixed! 

[Ootohere]

@M22 DKB - Darren Beattie

So when was your car built and how many miles has it done?

[M22 DKB - Darren Beattie]

It is a 2011 model, roughly 80k now. Would putting on higher profile tyres help the breakdown? I went from 40's to 45's for a little bit more cushion. Also before it broke down when I had the foot down if 4th it was like it was misfiring, so changed the plugs but still continued.

[Ootohere]

The tyres will have made no difference, i have run all sorts of sizes.

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Do you know if the service campaign was ever done on the DSG.  '34F7' changing the synthetic oil to mineral and a software update.

There should be a sticker in the boot showing it was done. That would be since May 2014.

If outstanding it should show here.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

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Where did you buy the car from?

& is it with Jeff yet?

[GT0161]

This is the sameas mine skoda suspected clutch also a 2011 but with 40k miles 

 

[M22 DKB - Darren Beattie]

I don't have a clue if service campaigns were carried out, not really sure what they are to be honest. Can't see any stickers in the boot ether. The car is in Charles Butler now yes. Guessing it will take a while to solve and fix so not expecting a call any time soon! I traded in my Monte Carlo tech for this maybe 3 years ago.

 

Suspected clutch? I assume you have not fixed it yet then? 

[GT0161]

No not yet it slips a bit but i can live with it the £1200 replacement i cannot live with so until it fully breaks i use manual that way i have more control over the gear changing and that way can control the slip better 

[Ootohere]

Registered Keepers of 2010-2012 cars with a DQ200 DSG in different models should have got this letter From VW from March 2014 as the DVLA gave them the Registered Keepers Details.

VW DID NOT NEED TO DO A RECALL ON SAFETY CRITICAL BECAUSE THEY ASSURED THE DVLA THEY COULD DO A VOLUNTARY RECALL. 

It was a Service Campaign they did and a very poor one.

They did say some never needed this, but they made mistakes.

Synthetic oil needed changed to mineral and a software update.

Now the DSG should have mineral oil.

 

VIN Checker to see if outstanding.

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions   This is to check on '34F7', 

The Service Campaign for 2013-2015 cars '34H5' does not show here.

 

 

Edited 28 July, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[Tilt]

On 27/07/2019 at 01:13, GT0161 said:

This is the sameas mine skoda suspected clutch also a 2011 but with 40k miles 

 

 

Likely, after they fitted a new clutch and it didn't cure the fault, they would 'suspect' something else, Lol.

 

Good on you finding a way around the fault...

[Gxx]

Hi Darren sorry to hear about your dsg problem. I had a similar issue with mine. The place in Glasgow that you were referring to is probably Mackie transmissions. They carried out the work on my 60 plate vrs 60,000 miles. Needed dual mass flywheel,  clutch packs and reprogrammed. Cost me around  £1,600. They're very good car back within 48hrs. Don't know if the cost was the news you wanted to hear 

[M22 DKB - Darren Beattie]

Quick update - Broken gear selector = £1800ish 😞 away to the pub! 

[Gxx]

Great wee cars when they are behaving themselves. Pub sounds like a good idea, enjoy! 

[GT0161]

The fork selector? Who has quoted that ? Usually the new clutch and selectors cone in at £1400 ish 

[Ootohere]

The Garage link is in the thread.

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@M22 DKB - Darren Beattie

Is it getting new Clutch Packs?

 

@Sittingbull  Was £3,200 for Mechatronic Unit and Clutches.

Edited 30 July, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[M22 DKB - Darren Beattie]

I received a call today just to say they had found a broken gear selector, so that, clutch assembly's, Labour and vat =£1800 all in. And it will be ready early next week. 

 

At least it can be fixed. Only my thoughts are going to - if that's the bill for a selector....how much would it be if something else went wrong? Perhaps once it's back on the go it will find itself up for sale.

[gkr47]

On ‎28‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 13:32, GT0161 said:

No not yet it slips a bit but i can live with it the £1200 replacement i cannot live with so until it fully breaks i use manual that way i have more control over the gear changing and that way can control the slip better 

 

Not sure thats correct. You have no control over the clutches although you can reduce the number of changes in manual mode?

Edited 30 July, 2019 by gkr47

[UrbanPanzer]

3 hours ago, M22 DKB - Darren Beattie said:

I received a call today just to say they had found a broken gear selector, so that, clutch assembly's, Labour and vat =£1800 all in. And it will be ready early next week. 

 

At least it can be fixed. Only my thoughts are going to - if that's the bill for a selector....how much would it be if something else went wrong? Perhaps once it's back on the go it will find itself up for sale.

 

If its just the selector broke, why does it need new clutches ?

 

 

[Ootohere]

Likely due to having done 80,000 miles and the clutches are there to see.

[UrbanPanzer]

if they measure up to tolerances, I see no need to change them.

[Ootohere]

They will be measured.

[Mickmartin]

21 hours ago, M22 DKB - Darren Beattie said:

I received a call today just to say they had found a broken gear selector, so that, clutch assembly's, Labour and vat =£1800 all in. And it will be ready early next week. 

 

At least it can be fixed. Only my thoughts are going to - if that's the bill for a selector....how much would it be if something else went wrong? Perhaps once it's back on the go it will find itself up for sale.

 

What selector is broken did they say? 1/3, 2/4, 5/7 or 6/R?

 

When changing gears, the forks are moved via gear selectors integrated into the mechatronic unit.
The way it works is that the gear selector piston is connected to the selector fork. To change gears, oil pressure is applied to the gear selector piston, thereby moving it. When it moves, it also moves the selector fork and the sliding sleeve. The sliding sleeve then actuates the synchronising hub and the right gear is engaged.

 

So I suspect the £1800 is for a new mech unit and labour and the  selector forks not actually broken its just jammed due to the mech being faulty, I'd imagine the clutch is just getting rebuilt rather than replaced.

 

If you willing to pay the extra get the clutch done while the box is out and in bits, it'll save you in the long run if your keeping the car.

Edited 31 July, 2019 by Mickmartin

[M22 DKB - Darren Beattie]

The garage never went into detail, once I have it back and I have a rundown on what went wrong and what was replaced I will post it up here to help others. I can see your point in getting the clutches replaced but I'm not willing to spend more than I have to. I have 2 young daughters...think it's time to give the fun car away and get one that's more suitable for my situation. But at the same time I don't want to give it away because SPEEEEEED!!! thanks for everyone's help in this case, very insightful to how the internals of the box works also!