On 02/10/2019 at 22:07, Anddenton said:

Generally speaking the best tyres should go on the back as you don't want the back end breaking away in slippery conditions.

 

I disagree. For FWD car it is important to have better tyres on the front axle.

I have had quite a lot of situations on some wet gravel roads or in snow when it's hard to get car in motion but the last time when car's back started acting on it's own was like 10 years ago driving way too fast on some gravel road and I don't think that better tyres would be much help in that situation.

 

Does your laws allow to put different tyres on one axle? In Latvia that's not allowed.

 

And yeah, here you see the disadvantage of large rim size.

It is unreal how many talk about the rear end of front wheel drive cars stepping out, or breaking away and you going out of control, 

missing the point that if the steering and braking at the front does not get you round a bend then the rear might well never step out as you go straight off the road.

The tyres on the front do help you steer into a skid or get out of a situation with the assistance of the ABS.

 

General information might be fit good tyres all around and learn your Front Wheel Drive Scandinavian Flick technik. 

& think about the ESP on the car as well.

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

The accident stats show that loss of grip on the rear tyres causes more accidents than on the front. That's real George, not unreal.

28 minutes ago, Wino said:

The accident stats show that loss of grip on the rear tyres causes more accidents than on the front. That's real George, not unreal.

I really find it hard to believe. Could be some local thing like driving with summer tyres in winter but otherwise?

Can you provide some link to that statistics? I'm really curious.

On 04/10/2019 at 19:58, RicardoM said:

Is that yellow painting the British way of the council getting away from any responsibility? I mean if some authority took the time to mark the potholes, why didn't it bloody repair it?

No, but it does prove that they were aware of the road damage.

48 minutes ago, Wino said:

The accident stats show that loss of grip on the rear tyres causes more accidents than on the front. That's real George, not unreal.

 

I understand that is correct raw data, but that doesn't split by condition of tyres, thus a balding summer tyre (in winter) is lumped into same category as a medium worn premium tyre

 

If there is a split available, and someone can provide a link, then I will stand corrected

 

I have no idea about the origin of the stats but I find it very easy to believe. 

It's as simple as "Do you want to have less chance of having an accident? If so, put the best two tyres on the rear".

On 04/10/2019 at 20:43, Wino said:

No, just marking it clearly for the repair team.

 

Yup - already been filled in!  Pretty impressive really, 3 days from me reporting it to it being fixed.  

58 minutes ago, Wino said:

I have no idea about the origin of the stats but I find it very easy to believe. 

It's as simple as "Do you want to have less chance of having an accident? If so, put the best two tyres on the rear".

So, basically it's just a belief that's better?

Despite the fact you find it so easy to believe, I don't find much logic in that and I wouldn't give such advice to a friend. I don't know anyone who would act like that, too.

 

Anyway, probably you won't change your mind, I won't too.

25 minutes ago, Jevpls said:

So, basically it's just a belief that's better?

Despite the fact you find it so easy to believe, I don't find much logic in that and I wouldn't give such advice to a friend. I don't know anyone who would act like that, too.

 

Anyway, probably you won't change your mind, I won't too.

 

Personally I wanted the matched pair on the front as that's what you can primarily feel through the wheel and they're also responsible for drive and steering.

Luckily most here drive cars and know exactly what tyres they use and if they have ever crashed know what they were doing wrong and if it was a crash in a corner, 

or one they never got around know if it was FWD, RWD , AWD / 4x4 and what tyres were fitted and the state of them.

 

Hopefully people have done winter driving training or 'skid pad training'.

 

Videoes and articles are all good and well, as to listening to Tyre Fitters advice, look at what some of them drive and make up your mind if you put your trust in them.

Just a bit general but when you drive for decades and survive it sometimes means you have a bit of a clue, well until you become past middle age and it all goes downhill from then.

 

FWD car controlling rear skid is a bit difficult if no traction at the front to accelerate out of that rear skid because the better tyres are on the rear and you put the worn ones on the front and never drove accordingly.

 

 

 

 

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

@the_I'm_such_ a_good_driver_I_can_always_handle_a_loss_of_traction_at_the_back_end_of_my_car crowd

 

Lot of very passionate defences of front wheels best tyres stuff.

 

Maybe if you challenge someone's assertion about something, the way to make them look silly is to do some research yourself and find contrary statistics and information?? 

 

I think, but haven't had time to check this morning, that most major tyre manufacturers and installers cite the rear wheels best tyres idea and mention accident stats, I didn't make it up. Search it yourselves doubters and tell me if the majority say the opposite. 

 

26 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

Luckily most here drive cars

No excrement Sherlock!

There's a huge difference between ones own intuition about how safe one is in various circumstances, and the reality as described by global statistics. 

 

 

 

Luckily it is a free world in the UK, fill your boots and do your own thing.

Work in a Tyre & Exhaust Centre sometime and see just what you see, and the advice given, and sometimes listened to.

Work in a MOT Centre / Garage sometime and see the crap some people drive on.

 

Look at Police & Emergency vehicles sometimes, the professional maintence can be just rediculous.

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

1 hour ago, Jevpls said:

Anyway, probably you won't change your mind, I won't too.

 

Perfectly willing to change my mind if you can find information about accidents that says the opposite to what I have said. I wish you luck.

2 minutes ago, Roottootemoot said:

Luckily it is a free world in the UK, fill your boots and do your own thing.

Work in a Tyre & Exhaust Centre sometime and see just what you see, and the advice given, and sometimes listened to.

Work in a MOT Centre / Garage sometime and see the crap some people drive on.

 

Look at Police & Emergency vehicles sometimes, the professional maintence can be just rediculous.

 

Excellent waffle.

Like your statstics.

And your counter-statistics...

http://tyresafe.org/other-information/statistics

Statistics are everyplace, from Europe, North America or Globally.

 

Never argue with someone from Fife as they want a fight in an empty house, and pointless arguing with you.

 

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The same as always, fit good tyres front and rear and be sure the Front Tyres that Pull & Steer & have the most braking in a front engine FWD car will do the job.

 

If you have only one spare wheel and it can go on the rear and that wheel go to the front then do that.

 

None of it is rocket science, even RWD and AWD vehicles need good front tyres as well as rears.

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by Roottootemoot

https://www.oponeo.co.uk/tyre-article/better-tyres-in-the-front-or-rear-test-results

 

I don't have time to read all that, but it looks to be a balanced discussion. Best tyres on rear seems to be the majority verdict, unless I'm missing something.

 

I must admit I haven't yet found anything about accident stats, but I really don't have any more time for this today, so argue with  yourself to your heart's content George.

New tyres to rear.

 

https://www.tyresafe.org/media-centre/latest-news/69-motorists-get-their-tyres-back-to-front/

 

This has been advice for at least the last 10 years from Tyresafe.org

The article above is from 2011. 

 

Thanks AG Falco

It is nice as in some other links like the one from @Wino that it is recognised that rear tyres can adopt a shape and are not suitable or fit for purpose to move to the front.

Classic examples might just be as found on models of cars Skoda produce.

Black circles recommend rotating your tyres every 6 months to maintain even tyre wear and handling. 

I know rotating isn't always possible and in some cases advised against (back when I had an A3 Quattro HA specifically advised me not to rotate tyres). 

Personally I would always prefer to have evenly worn tyres on my vehicle (front to back and side to side) and where possible the same kind on all 4 corners. 

Either way, having new tyres on one end and sh4gg3d tyres on the other isn't a great idea. 

Edited 7 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

On 02/10/2019 at 15:16, Auric Goldfinger said:

 

 I'd keep the damaged tyres as evidence and do the above

 

 

 

Ask the tyre fitters to write on your invoice "Pothole Damage" or "Apparent Pothole damage" especially if your alloys have been damaged too.