Hello all

so I'm thinking of swopping car & going from manual to DSG , as per the title what exactly is the difference between D & S ?.

thanks in advance.

In drive the gearbox will try to change up as soon as it can whereas in sport it will try to stay in a lower gear with at least 2,500rpm minimum (even in the diesels) which can prove very tiring on the motorway or main A roads. If it 's the latest 7 speed DSG cruising revs will be lower which should save money compared to the manual 6 speed box.

34 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

In drive the gearbox will try to change up as soon as it can whereas in sport it will try to stay in a lower gear with at least 2,500rpm minimum (even in the diesels) which can prove very tiring on the motorway or main A roads. If it 's the latest 7 speed DSG cruising revs will be lower which should save money compared to the manual 6 speed box.

Thanks for that.

use it in "normal" most of the time, if you are looking to make an overtake tap the stick back and it will switch to sport, once you have overtaken tap it again and it will drop back to normal.

 

John

It's not just how it holds the revs while cruising. It also makes the throttle a lot more responsive.

In D you would have to have the throttle pressed to the floor to see the top end of the rev range, S will be a lot more keen. 

As someone else has said, best used for overtaking. 

As jjc says, use it for a nippy bit of overtaking, pain in the backside to use it all the time.

Nothing to add really, everyone above is spot on. 

You'll never look back, once you go to dsg you'll never want a manual again. 

What they said. 

All I will add is that my previous car was a TDI/DSG (VRS) and in my subjective experience it wasn't a great combination. Always seemed to be in the wrong gear. I used M-mode a lot (call it tiptronic or whatever) as a result. 

New car is a TSI/DSG and it works well. 

Yep as all have said but knock the stick to the left and YOU have control of the gears, great for a bit of fast "A" road driving or overtaking, always knock it back to the right for cruising or traffic jams.

 

Most of the time i have left mine in "D" (only had the car for 2 weeks, already don't won't manual again.)

Sport is great for tiny country roads where the autobox would always be changing up or down everytime you approach or leave a tight corner. Sport holds on to the gears longer. But on a straight road there's no point...

Thank you everyone , much appreciated.

OP the difference is massive basically

They've programmed D in normal drive mode to almost labour the engine on the 7 speed DSG on the 245 TSIs when trying to just drive normally, I find it very frustrating at times and its all for bloody WLTP emissions.

The TCU/throttle pedal mappings both need sorting out - the throttle has a massive delay/initial deadspot. The sport mode for DSG and throttle pedal sorts most of this but then you get the other issue of it holding onto gears too long when you're not actually pressing on. Queue me making use of the pull down D/S switching to work around this.. the other is manual flappy paddle mode or use of paddles to temp override the gearbox.

It needs a nice halfway house which can only happen through spending money which isn't wise when you don't and never will own the car.

 

Don't get me wrong overall DSG is good and has its uses it just needs fine tuning.

Also to fully complete the picture the Octavia is crying out for autohold/leccy handbrake I've experienced on VW sister models when you have DSG.

 

 

30 minutes ago, Scotty72 said:

Queue me making use of the pull down D/S switching to work around this..

 

 

I will try this out later but are you saying that if in sport mode and you pull back on the stick you retain the sport mapping of the throttle but with the gear changes of 'D'?

1 hour ago, Scotty72 said:

OP the difference is massive basically

They've programmed D in normal drive mode to almost labour the engine on the 7 speed DSG on the 245 TSIs when trying to just drive normally, I find it very frustrating at times and its all for bloody WLTP emissions.

The TCU/throttle pedal mappings both need sorting out - the throttle has a massive delay/initial deadspot. The sport mode for DSG and throttle pedal sorts most of this but then you get the other issue of it holding onto gears too long when you're not actually pressing on. Queue me making use of the pull down D/S switching to work around this.. the other is manual flappy paddle mode or use of paddles to temp override the gearbox.

It needs a nice halfway house which can only happen through spending money which isn't wise when you don't and never will own the car.

 

Don't get me wrong overall DSG is good and has its uses it just needs fine tuning.

Also to fully complete the picture the Octavia is crying out for autohold/leccy handbrake I've experienced on VW sister models when you have DSG.

 

 

That's funny because the manual has none of these issues can't make my mind up which gear to be in just instant acceleration depending on which gear you have selected using your brain instead of hoping a computer gets it right.

1 hour ago, MarkyG82 said:

 

... in sport mode and you pull back on the stick you retain the sport mapping of the throttle but with the gear changes of 'D'?

 

Yes.

 

Also don't forget you can drive in M-mode (tippytronic) most of the time. Only trouble then is when you pull up to a stop to remember to put it back into D for pulling away through the lower gears. 

1 hour ago, MarkyG82 said:

 

I will try this out later but are you saying that if in sport mode and you pull back on the stick you retain the sport mapping of the throttle but with the gear changes of 'D'?

it changes throttle mappings too sadly - there is no options for throttle settings separately - need a pedal box for that overide.

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

That's funny because the manual has none of these issues can't make my mind up which gear to be in just instant acceleration depending on which gear you have selected using your brain instead of hoping a computer gets it right.

You should know first hand owning both variants by choosing DSG for your new one! 

Edited 8 October, 20196 yr by Scotty72

Ok guys, if you pull back the gear selector to get Sport mode, remember you only alter the gearbox & throttle, DCC & fake engine noises don't happen. If you now push the gear selector left you'll get manual/paddles/tippytronic (whatever you call it). This now has the throttle response with gear selection control you want, manual will change down & up automatically if slowing to a stop or when you hit the red line.

 

I can't find a more engaging driving mode.

 

1 hour ago, Scotty72 said:

it changes throttle mappings too sadly - there is no options for throttle settings separately - need a pedal box for that overide.

@Scotty72 you're always welcome to try mine out if you need anymore convincing, I've got the TCU as well on mine so be warned, it can get expensive 🤔🙄

1 hour ago, themanwithnoaim said:

Ok guys, if you pull back the gear selector to get Sport mode, remember you only alter the gearbox & throttle, DCC & fake engine noises don't happen. If you now push the gear selector left you'll get manual/paddles/tippytronic (whatever you call it). This now has the throttle response with gear selection control you want, manual will change down & up automatically if slowing to a stop or when you hit the red line.

 

I can't find a more engaging driving mode.

 

@Scotty72 you're always welcome to try mine out if you need anymore convincing, I've got the TCU as well on mine so be warned, it can get expensive 🤔🙄

Thanks for the offer, i may well take you up on that. I could do a pedal box potentially if I'm sold

7 minutes ago, Scotty72 said:

Thanks for the offer, i may well take you up on that. I could do a pedal box potentially if I'm sold

Yeah no problems, PM me some time/dates & we'll sort it out

@themanwithnoaim My MY19 would also add the noise when nudging the lever from D to S. Very annoying since mine suffered from rattly dash when the sound aktor was on. Ive muted the generator now so its no longer an issue so all is good

2 minutes ago, ExSEAT said:

@themanwithnoaim My MY19 would also add the noise when nudging the lever from D to S. Very annoying since mine suffered from rattly dash when the sound aktor was on. Ive muted the generator now so its no longer an issue so all is good

I remember this.. mine doesn't and never has. You only get the noise on Sport driving mode.. which I now no longer use, individual is set to be sport with sound and steering as per 'normal'

I've just gone from a manual VRS Diesel (Manaual box) with DTUK tuning box on since new and it has done 80k miles. The Throttle response is/was amazing and responded instantly and felt like you only needed to breathe on it to get a reaction. 

 

Picked up a new VRS, 4x4, DSG and my instant reaction is disappointment with the throttle response. It's a bit like when I had a 320d, push throttle, count to 2 and then it responds. I've already fitted a box and DSG upgrade but certainly isn't anywhere near the Manual for response.

 

That said, above 20mph, it's slick and smooth and doesn't feel like wasting power. Below 20mph, i'm still getting used to high revs for little go 

 

Did someone mention mpg !  so far i've done 2 runs from Bristol to LHR and i'm about 10+ MPG down from where the manual was (and going slower..) so hopefully as things loosen up it will improve. I had changed the consumption calculator on the manual with VCDS on the manual for +10% so it read correctly - fill to fill ups but not done that yet on the DSG car so suspect even worse difference.

 

Steve

In addition to overtaking and all the above, I frequently flip into Sport mode when exiting junctions, joining roundabouts or slip roads.

 

Makes a huge improvement. 
 

ps - ECO mode has long been consigned to the bin.

Agree Eco mode is utterly pointless unless you enjoy the lag between pressing the go pedal and waiting for the electronics to get the message and send the message to the engine which seems to take about the same time as reading this sentence.

15 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Agree Eco mode is utterly pointless unless you enjoy the lag between pressing the go pedal and waiting for the electronics to get the message and send the message to the engine which seems to take about the same time as reading this sentence.

the lack of engine braking as its coasting off the throttle is really confidence inspiring if you're using it on a twisty road lol i.e. don't do it.. not sure how I know this from a year ago lol