On 28/10/2019 at 14:21, langers2k said:

 

I though the 3 peak mountain snowflake (3PMSF) symbol was enough to classify crossclimates as 'winter tyres'.

 

Is there some other accreditation or symbol needed to count as a winter tyre for insurance?

 

That three peak symbol does mean that is meets the Canadian Rubber people (or something similair) requirements for 'snow service' - however, it isnt a true winter tyre and a true winter tyre will give better grip and traction.  Ive run avariety of Winter tyres from Nankang, Toyo, Vrederstein and Continental.   The Continental Winter Contact TS860 was the best by far in my opinion run on my (recently sold) Oct 3 Scout (225/50/17).

From Goodyear:-

 

The introduction of a legal marking related to performance has made the identification of winter tyres more simple. The "Alpine" symbol, or the three-peak-mountain with snowflake (‘3PMSF’) came into force in November 2012 under EU Regulation 661/2009 on the Safety of Motor Vehicles. The 3PMSF can only be used if a tyre passes a minimum required performance on snow - the so called “snow grip index”.

 

https://www.goodyear.eu/corporate_emea/our-responsibilities/road-safety/winter-tire-recognition.jsp

 

Thanks AG Falco

 

 

To respond to myself and others in future. I have bought AZW Peak 16" with Continental TS860 winter Tyres. They look ok on car overall. Although from behind tires look narrow - but that looks to me 225 45 R17 also. Maybe because car trunk is high, even car is high in comparison with my golf 4 GTI which is smaller, and tires look like larger ones...and are the same: 224/45R17. So 15" would be really weird. I like car is high. I can park without trouble and watching for exhaust, or spoilers...Conti TS860 are quiet, ride is smother a bit, bumps a little bit better absorbed, driving characteristics are great.

 

AZW dont have problems with TUV, or ABE certificate because it have E1 marking on side of rim. That means it complies with all EU requeriments ...as I understand, and dont have to undertake any other tests or certification, dont come with ABE paper. Google for E1 in circle wheels number. AZW seems to be VW brand or something like that - I see same wheel go for golf, audi, seat, skoda...same serial number and everything!

4 Steel rims were about 50E cheaper, so thats why I did get alloy - Set 4 rims with tires on: Steel 5600kn (750E) vs AZW peak 6000kn (800E).

15" vs 16" - one guy that is incharge of car park for one bussines company told me that maybe it is too much go for 15 - because I have 17 summer. Car it self get used to one size, I also get used to one size and characteristics - so 16" is closer to 17" and maybe better - pricier but better.

For alloy it is important to check for winter marking - that it is prepared for winter conditions (maybe stronger and durable paint, coat...) Also winter chains can be supported or not.

 

I had the Conti TS860 previously, you wont be dissapointed

 

I want some winter wheels but i don't want to pay for them. Best i can find seems to be mytyres with some steel wheels £455 delivered. Steep or ?

BRISKODA 'Parts for sale'  just so handy,

funnily it is often people selling the likes of wheels and tyres that suit Skoda models.

2 hours ago, SkodaKing said:

I want some winter wheels but i don't want to pay for them. Best i can find seems to be mytyres with some steel wheels £455 delivered. Steep or ?

 

Try Ebay?  I stuck winters on the wheels that came with the car and then purchased a new set for the summers.

23 hours ago, SkodaKing said:

I want some winter wheels but i don't want to pay for them. Best i can find seems to be mytyres with some steel wheels £455 delivered. Steep or ?

 

With tyres or just for the steel wheels?

I paid something like €70 for my basic alloy wheels from an online website so 450gbp with tyres seems a reasonable price but 450 just for steel wheels is a lot.

On 24/11/2019 at 14:54, mlesic said:

To respond to myself and others in future. I have bought AZW Peak 16" with Continental TS860 winter Tyres. They look ok on car overall. Although from behind tires look narrow - but that looks to me 225 45 R17 also. Maybe because car trunk is high, even car is high in comparison with my golf 4 GTI which is smaller, and tires look like larger ones...and are the same: 224/45R17. So 15" would be really weird. I like car is high. I can park without trouble and watching for exhaust, or spoilers...Conti TS860 are quiet, ride is smother a bit, bumps a little bit better absorbed, driving characteristics are great.

 

 

glad you like them.

AZW dont have problems with TUV, or ABE certificate because it have E1 marking on side of rim. That means it complies with all EU requeriments ...as I understand, and dont have to undertake any other tests or certification, dont come with ABE paper. Google for E1 in circle wheels number. AZW seems to be VW brand or something like that - I see same wheel go for golf, audi, seat, skoda...same serial number and everything!

 

You have a KBA number on the rims. That's the KBA original one for reference that they have passed testing. 

E1 number merely states that the certification was gained in Germany. It implies a basic level of safety and quality. 

If you are running in Germany, you *must* have a valid ABE for *this particular combination of tyres and rims for this particular car with this particular engine*.  If there's no ABE, then you get to go to TÜV. 

 

But I would honestly go and check with your local German dealer, if you're driving a German-registered car. If not, no worries, yes, an E1 may be enough in most of Europe. It's not in Germany.

 

For alloy it is important to check for winter marking - that it is prepared for winter conditions (maybe stronger and durable paint, coat...) Also winter chains can be supported or not.

This is also true and makes a significant difference how well the alloy with deal with salt.

 

 - Bret

Thanks for info. I will make sure to check. This is what i have found...it says no need for tüv or abe..

German site about felgen

 

Then every rims should have abe certification, even OEM. Just to be sure. 

ok, I've verified that one elsewhere and it seems that this is the case; if the E1 with the number is on the rim, you shouldn't need an ABE. This is news to me, but it is a while since I lived there. You should be good.

 

 - Bret

On 25/11/2019 at 13:12, SkodaKing said:

I want some winter wheels but i don't want to pay for them. Best i can find seems to be mytyres with some steel wheels £455 delivered. Steep or ?

I assume that price is 4 complete wheels with a budget to mid range tyre in the smallest rim size.

 

You could easily be paying nearer £600-700 for steel wheels and premium winter tyres, 

 

You might be lucky and find second hand rims, or complete winter wheels on various sites like eBay, but might need to replace the tyres.  
 

However you do need to factor cost vs lifespan, If you get 5 or 6 years use then £455 is not that much per year.  Clearly not such a good deal if you intend to change car in 2 years and unlikely to fit next car.