What's quicker from Glasgow to London...?

A dacia sandero at £6,000 or a Tesla P100D at £130,000
 

A Virgin Class 221!

33 minutes ago, abaxas said:

What's quicker from Glasgow to London...?

A dacia sandero at £6,000 or a Tesla P100D at £130,000
 

 

DACIA has better range so the Dacia if you keep to speed limits. 

14 hours ago, abaxas said:

What's quicker from Glasgow to London...?

A dacia sandero at £6,000 or a Tesla P100D at £130,000

No doubt, this matters a lot to you because it's a trip you do regularly  

If you take rest stops like a normal human being, I think they will be equalliy as quick. 

https://abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=8cb8673b-c3c1-4aed-8106-e491f6d120e6 (time spent recharging: 25min for a 6.5 hours drive) 

 

Questions to you: 

Over 1 year's commute, which car allows me to spend more time at my work/home?

Which car is much much cheaper to operate as the daily car? 

A cheap second hand EV or a similarly priced second hand Skoda?

As I own both cars, I can tell you for sure it's the former. 

 

Some here seem to be like the Government and Politicians and think about 'Hard working families' but forget there are lazy slobs driving about on their own or with others that are not hard working just about for the banter and driving aimlessly about. 

Full leisure time types with all the time in the world and that world being their oyster.

 

Those that have places to go, people to see and that are slaves to the clock should maybe keep buying the Petrol, Diesel, LPG, Veg oil etc.

Charged to 90%, belly full and 155 miles until I pick up my dirty diesel.  That was a pretty cheap week since Tuesday.   860 miles covered so far and not a penny spent on fuel. 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

 

 

 

Wonderful news.

 

Even with fuel at around a £1 a litre EVs take 1st and 2nd position in April sales.

 

Requirement for 95 gm/km average of CO2 will lead to EV subsides.

@lol-lol

Is that April online sales / orders and not actually First Registrations,

or is that actually from cars registered in April in the UK?

 

EDIT...  I see the figures, the question that needs asked is were these cars sold to customers / lease companies 

or actually 'First registered'  to Manufacturers and Dealers and will now be 'Used cars' at the next buyer?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 May, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

@lol-lol

Those Corsa & Crossland X showing as 'best sellers in 3rd and 4th place'  are very likely the 'Vauxhall Dealerships vehicles that had arrived at dealerships' in time to get first registered in April.  (The Grandland X Hybrids also arrived for the Dealership launches / open days.)

There were already ones in the Showrooms for the launch days, and second ones were arriving ready for Road Tests.

Ford Tourneo Custom and Rifters are likely Motability cars that arrived at companies ready for conversions to suit wheel chair users.

 

Cars commonly leased (bought for) by NHS / Front Line Services type organisations or just by people.

Edited 9 May, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

This is a bit of a surprise !

 

BATTERY ELECTRIC CARS DRIVEN 26% FURTHER THAN PETROL MODELS, FINDS RAC FOUNDATION

https://fuelincluded.com/2020/05/battery-electric-cars-driven-26-petrol-models-finds-rac-foundation/

 

The analysis, which pre-dates the steep fall in road traffic seen since the start of the coronavirus pandemic, is based on the MOT data for 516,936 vehicles.

It found battery electric cars cover an average of 9,435 miles per year over their first three years, compared to a petrol car’s 7,490.

Diesel cars are driven the most, and cover an average of 12,496 miles in each of their first three years.

Steve Gooding, director of the RAC Foundation, said:

“Unsurprisingly people with diesels have been doing most mileage, probably seeking better long-distance fuel economy, but this study is also evidence that battery-electric powered cars are not just trophy vehicles signalling their owners’ green credentials but prior to the lockdown were racking up the miles as everyday transport.

“Tens of millions of people still drive petrol and diesel-powered cars, but this data suggests that owners of electric cars have found them to be a practical proposition, running up the sort of big annual mileages that many of us need to do, challenging preconceptions about their range and the ease of re-charging.”

 

 

 

On 12/05/2020 at 11:33, lol-lol said:

This is a bit of a surprise !

 

BATTERY ELECTRIC CARS DRIVEN 26% FURTHER THAN PETROL MODELS, FINDS RAC FOUNDATION

 

 

Is it? nobody is going to invest in an electric car to potter about, there are no savings in that. The more miles you do in an electric car the more it makes sense to bother with one.

Lets be more accurate.

The more miles you cover using cheap of free charging and not have to spend time waiting and not earning makes sense to have an EV.

 

If you are paying with your own cash money for Rapid Charging 50kW or 100kW to be able to get driving and get on with your journey it can get quite costly.

 

Funnily the EV charging point service techs i see are not driving EV's.   They have too many miles to cover in short time so are not even in Light Commercials that would restrict their max speed limits on rural roads so they are in ICE Estate cars.

 

There are high annual mileage taxis / private hire cars and local authority / utilities EV's that are not doing the miles far from central points and chargers.

Then TESLA drivers have a different infrastructure if they are able to use TESLA Superchargers and do higher miles.

 

PS

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What do TESLA Supercharger maintenance people drive, is it TESLAS?

Edited 13 May, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

6 minutes ago, SuperbTWM said:

 

Is it? nobody is going to invest in an electric car to potter about, there are no savings in that. The more miles you do in an electric car the more it makes sense to bother with one.

 

I think there are other big reasons for going full EV.

 

1. Avoiding congestion/emission zone charges
2. Conscious about the 40k pa premature deaths

I was surprised EV drivers were in between petrol and wiesel drivers annual mileage but on second thought, and considering Teslas but then I thought early LEAF and Zoe would just be used for city commuting and not do many miles.

Just shows when thinking you need to include Commercial Use of EV's.

That is Couriers, Taxis, Home Deliveries, NHS / Social Workers etc etc    So people who's former Petrol or Diesel cars are also higher annual mileages. 

 

Angus Council certainly like leasing EV's.

Bottom just some of the new fleet at the start of the year. (posted earlier in this thread.)

 

Edited 13 May, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Bob Flavin talks cost of EV Servicing or battery checks / checks for the sake of warranties.

 

 

Bob might watch and listen to someone that runs their own EV.  

But then she is on a different continent with a different currency.

 

But,

would you want to own an EV out of manufacturers warranty, 

or buy her car as a used one and without a warranty???

 

 

 

Edited 15 May, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

 

 

 

On 13/05/2020 at 14:20, e-Roottoot said:

Lets be more accurate.

The more miles you cover using cheap of free charging and not have to spend time waiting and not earning makes sense to have an EV.

 

If you are paying with your own cash money for Rapid Charging 50kW or 100kW to be able to get driving and get on with your journey it can get quite costly.

 

Funnily the EV charging point service techs i see are not driving EV's.   They have too many miles to cover in short time so are not even in Light Commercials that would restrict their max speed limits on rural roads so they are in ICE Estate cars.

 

There are high annual mileage taxis / private hire cars and local authority / utilities EV's that are not doing the miles far from central points and chargers.

Then TESLA drivers have a different infrastructure if they are able to use TESLA Superchargers and do higher miles.

 

PS

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What do TESLA Supercharger maintenance people drive, is it TESLAS?

The evolt team who do most of the Scottish chargers are in BMW i3 or Nissan Leaf 40 kW. Not sure who you have seen George

 

The charger maintenance I see are not driving EV,s that are doing to many miles in a day to mess about using chargers.  

You need to do lots of maths.

Looks like great weather and ideal roads.

 

 

 

On 25/12/2019 at 19:47, gumdrop said:

Have you stopped to wonder, what will take priority when there are more electric cars?

Will it be homes and hospitals or cars that get the electricity when there is a "brown out"

or even a full blown power cut. People must get to work after all .....

Don't know if this the right page? Just been reading which mag that a member put up.regarding electric cars.i did not know you cannot tow a electric when running out of power.

Not on their wheels, so pretty much like Automatics or 4x4 / AWD's where you might need wheels on a dolly or the car goes on a trailer.

 

AA/RAC can come boost the car to get you to a charger. 3 pin plug maybe!

 

There are people that have towed them.    What is the worst that can happen?

 

 

 

53 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

Not on their wheels, so pretty much like Automatics or 4x4 / AWD's where you might need wheels on a dolly or the car goes on a trailer.

 

AA/RAC can come boost the car to get you to a charger. 3 pin plug maybe!

 

There are people that have towed them.    What is the worst that can happen?

 

 

 

EVs shouldn't be towed as the car's electric motor is mechanically linked to the wheels and can't be placed in neutral. Towing one can cause lasting damage to the car's powertrain. Say the makers.

Obviously. 

But it will not stop people from doing it.   Hence the Vid link and the others on youtube.   More money than sense or leased / borrowed cars.

 

Automatics should not be towed because Transmission Fluid can overheat, as manufacturers warn. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 August, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot