I had the pleasure of trying out a 2018 Skoda Superb - automatic, TSI, petrol, 2.0 with 220ps - notably still got more than a year of warranty left on it, with around 15,000 on the clock.

 

The car was amazing however when accelerating harshly (during the test drive) it seemed to splutter and make almost a crunching sound - there was no issue with accelerating at a slower pace.

 

The car has been on a forecourt for a good couple of months. I'm used to a manual gearbox, but I presume that's not supposed to happen. Any ideas?

Edited 15 January, 20206 yr by sabian1982

The car likely needs a Service and not the Italian Tune Up many sales car get weekly or fortnightly.  Given a battery boost and a wee thrash and slam the brakes on a few times.

 

The 95 ron in the tank is maybe old now.  Air filter can be damp.  Pre winter petrol in tank with H20. So a fuel filter change might be in order.

Spark plugs maybe need a change.

The brake discs and pads have rust on them. 

 

How many miles on the car now?

It could have been through the auction pre forecourt so a good few months since driven.

 

DSG Oil change is at 40,000 miles or sooner.       

Check service history, warranty history & if any Service Campaign recall actions are outstanding.  That is for any car not just this one.

FMDSH means nothing as Main Dealers Servicing is not that extensive.

 

Edited 15 January, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Go look at the car again, turn 180º and walk in the complete opposite direction. Do not return to it.  No DSG box/engine/ that's fault free should behave like that.  It should be smooth and linear, the only feedback you may have when accelerating hard in a 220 would be axle tramp as the TCS system is trying to reign in the power to maintain front end traction. 

 

A fairly new car with 15k miles on the clock should be tickety boo.  If you can find another 220 TSI locally then go try that and see how they compare.  

Sorry, missed the 15,000 miles.

1 hour ago, penguin17 said:

Go look at the car again, turn 180º and walk in the complete opposite direction. Do not return to it.  No DSG box/engine/ that's fault free should behave like that.  It should be smooth and linear, the only feedback you may have when accelerating hard in a 220 would be axle tramp as the TCS system is trying to reign in the power to maintain front end traction. 

 

A fairly new car with 15k miles on the clock should be tickety boo.  If you can find another 220 TSI locally then go try that and see how they compare.  

 

Yer i thought it was a bit strange... my thought was that it might be the fuel filter/throttle body/air filter/MAF (or all of the above) - needless to say I'm not going to consider the car until they can properly fix the problem (although that shouldn't be a problem due to it being well within the 3 year warranty.

 

1 hour ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Sorry, missed the 15,000 miles.

 

Nah my bad - i edited and added the 15k

Well within the 3 year warranty means nothing.

Who has been the Registered Keeper up to now, which means nothing as that does not give an idea of how many drove it.

 

So you want to know if any warranty work has been done. 

Has it been on Fixed Servicing an at least 1 Service / Oil change already.

?

Is it from a Skoda Main Dealer & an Approved Used car?    Remainder of warranty / 12 months cover.

12 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Well within the 3 year warranty means nothing.

Who has been the Registered Keeper up to now, which means nothing as that does not give an idea of how many drove it.

 

So you want to know if any warranty work has been done. 

Has it been on Fixed Servicing an at least 1 Service / Oil change already.

?

Is it from a Skoda Main Dealer & an Approved Used car?    Remainder of warranty / 12 months cover.

 

It's not from a main Skoda dealer and they aren't a used approved Skoda dealership either - it's a BMW dealership that got a trade in. The 3 year warranty ends the middle of 2021.

 

I'll dig into the warranty work and servicing questions...

Edited 15 January, 20206 yr by sabian1982

You want to know what shows on the Skoda system as to a Service or Services.

not just what invoices might be with the car.

10 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

You want to know what shows on the Skoda system as to a Service or Services.

not just what invoices might be with the car.

 

Thanks, i'm going to dig into with them tomorrow... it's just this small (or big) engine issue that is letting it down, I was 101% happy with everything else about the car. Best to be diligent though...

Engine issue, non skoda garage. Who will fix it? Skoda bits? Warranty preserved? Intermittant fault or cured? Great cars but this seems very risky unless the price is very attractive!

Good luck

maybe "Wheel Hop"
have had several times on the wet asphalt huge bang like this

 

 

 

partly solved by insert 034Motorsport dogbone mount insert (type 2)

browse this tread
-> https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/363781-the-280ps-thread/page/57/#comment-4877038

 

 

 

Edited 16 January, 20206 yr by MartiniB

I agree with others that this might be one to walk away from.

 

but - “harsh acceleration “ - how hard? And on what surface? And what are the tyres like? I ask because when traction control cuts in it can make similar noises to ABS kicking in (May be described as crunching?) and the car will kind of stutter. There should of course be a warning light flashing saying that the TC has cut in...

 

otherwise, I’d avoid the car. 

46 minutes ago, FatWolfie said:

I agree with others that this might be one to walk away from.

 

but - “harsh acceleration “ - how hard? And on what surface? And what are the tyres like? I ask because when traction control cuts in it can make similar noises to ABS kicking in (May be described as crunching?) and the car will kind of stutter. There should of course be a warning light flashing saying that the TC has cut in...

 

otherwise, I’d avoid the car. 

I'd endorse this.

 

Applying 220 PS though the front wheels is asking a lot of the system and if the roads were damp wheel spin with traction control trying to control it is what happens if you floor the throttle. I've experienced wheel spin in 3rd gear on wet roads.

 

Flooring the throttle from stationary is not to be recommended!

1 hour ago, 100andthirty said:

I'd endorse this.

 

Applying 220 PS though the front wheels is asking a lot of the system and if the roads were damp wheel spin with traction control trying to control it is what happens if you floor the throttle. I've experienced wheel spin in 3rd gear on wet roads.

 

Flooring the throttle from stationary is not to be recommended!

Skoda do an upgrade kit for your 220, which will eliminate this.  You hand them a bunch of cash and they provide you with 60 more bhp, a haldex AWD system and the best bit...real exhausts 😁.  The car colour may change but that's a minor detail 😁

 

 

@penguin17

Just +4k Euros

2 hours ago, 100andthirty said:

I'd endorse this.

 

Applying 220 PS though the front wheels is asking a lot of the system and if the roads were damp wheel spin with traction control trying to control it is what happens if you floor the throttle. I've experienced wheel spin in 3rd gear on wet roads.

 

Flooring the throttle from stationary is not to be recommended!

 

The tires have good tread and the road was a little damp and it was cold (not dry perfect conditions). Acceleration wise it was not from standing... probably 20mph up to 60mph with the foot to the floor! Quite honestly I did wonder if it was wheel spin (more so now following @MartiniB video). I can quite easily get my 190ps manual to wheel spin in first gear when its wet/cold. The actual 220ps power and acceleration did quite honestly surprise me (compared to my 190ps) and i can see exactly why the 272 comes with 4 wheel drive for that very reason.

Hmmm - tyres may have good tread but if they are OEM P7’s they do tend to spin up at the slightest provocation in the damp. Even in my 150 Diesel with less than 5,500 miles on the clock....but I guess @sabian1982 you’ll be familiar with the foibles of  P7s which I’m guessing might be on your current car.

Agree with @FatWolfie.  My front end used to break away too often under strong acceleration when I had the stock P7s. I changed to Vredestein Quatrac 5s almost 1,000 miles ago and the tyres have yet to lose grip, even in the wet. Um, not that I've actually tried to get them to break away...

Re the Warranty post.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/476618-how-do-warranties-work

 

 

The Manufacturers warranty is with the car, so to 3 years.

But,

the servicing to manufacturers guidelines matters.   So hence you need to know the story up to now and have the evidence / invoices if not done at Main Dealers, even then sometimes.

 

The T&C's are here, and also for the Warranty you could take out when the Manufacturers expires.

http://skoda.co.uk/owners/warranty

 

 

So a little update...

 

The dealer selling the car has taken it out this afternoon (similar road conditions as before), done some harsh acceleration and highlighted that the traction control alert has come on. They also suggested that the car has adapting learning and as a result might not be used to such a harsh driving style.

 

The tires are indeed Pirelli P7s so that might additionally factor into the TC triggering on harsh acceleration.  

 

It's had one service so far, this was done by Skoda however they do plan on doing service checks themselves before sale (they are a BMW dealership) so I'd presume the evidence and invoices of any work that is needed (which hopefully there shouldn't) will still fall under Skoda's servicing guidelines.

 

I'm obviously going to go have another look at it before I buy but it does sound (hopefully) as though things are heading in the right, positive direction.

 

Any other thoughts appreciated

Before I got the 280, I test drove a 220 and had the same experience - it was the TC  cutting in to prevent slip, felt like something was wrong with the engine. In my case the light flashed on the dash so I was re-assured it wasn't anything more than that. It was a bit damp and I was giving it beans. To be honest, however good the control electronics, 220 is a lot of bhp through front wheels and slip in a mildly adverse situation is probably to be expected - its usually not dangerous on a FWD car and the TC does control it so for the 99.999% of the time your wheels aren't slipping it will certainly be an awesome car.

 

T'missus has a 150ps 1.5tsi Karoq and that is a bit wheelspinny in some conditions, you just have to be aware and drive to the grip you have.

 

The 280 has never lost grip, and I've tried quite hard, but its certainly not essential and the 220 would probably be indistinguishable is most normal driving situations. I went for the 280 partly because I could, and partly because I do a lot of towing and the extra power helps there.

Thanks for all the feedback and input on this thread, ended up going with a rather eye catching red L&K which I'm very, very, very pleased with  

 

 

On 15/01/2020 at 19:21, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

The car likely needs a Service and not the Italian Tune Up many sales car get weekly or fortnightly.  Given a battery boost and a wee thrash and slam the brakes on a few times.

 

The 95 ron in the tank is maybe old now.  Air filter can be damp.  Pre winter petrol in tank with H20. So a fuel filter change might be in order.

Spark plugs maybe need a change.

The brake discs and pads have rust on them. 

 

How many miles on the car now?

It could have been through the auction pre forecourt so a good few months since driven.

 

DSG Oil change is at 40,000 miles or sooner.       

Check service history, warranty history & if any Service Campaign recall actions are outstanding.  That is for any car not just this one.

FMDSH means nothing as Main Dealers Servicing is not that extensive.

 

MY 2018 DSG (well actually superb MKIII DSG 7 Speed) doesn’t need oil changes at all for life.

@LS8Pilot 

You have a DQ200 DSG though, so that is great, and how it should be. 

Report back in 2025 and hopefully it is still doing fine.

Edited 2 February, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

On 15/01/2020 at 22:42, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

You want to know what shows on the Skoda system as to a Service or Services.

not just what invoices might be with the car.

Just look up the service record the car keeps in the memory which the infotainment system can show you or the Skoda connect app.