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I have only just seen this, you wont believe how much time I spent working blind (which I am quite good at) trying to remove the connector from the control unit and then still being unable to remove the pump because of the upper cable clip which I could feel but not see and could not remove.

 

I had to strain the cable to disengage the pump and then to clean it in situ hanging on the cable.

 

It was before this was posted so I dont feel quite so bad but will be saving this as a favorite for next time.

 

The tip about rotating the controller is inspired.

 

Chapeau à vous Monsieur! :thumbup:

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@amateurdad Your link (after a very quick glance) looks OK.

To be sure, just have a look to this online ETKA: ifinterface.com

 

Just use this path:

Welcome > Free services > CarProg2

Then use drop down menus to select what correspond to your car (brand / Europ / Model / MY).

Then select the main menu ( should be in module 5: Transmission) and then sub menus on the right to find out...

Just check this kit complies with all OEM references. ;) 

 

Have fun!

 

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Getting ready for doing mine for the first time, great guide and fully detailed! Just a few questions:

a) the oil filling syringe, the link is dead but in any case it's impossible to find the same item in different countries so what pipe diameter is needed for that? any specs?

b) when removing the syringe after the 1st fill (up to ~650ml) for priming the pump, don't you get a mess from oil spilling out since it's already full? should you take extra care during that step and the next one when switching from syringe to the new fill plug to avoid having the oil leaking all over?

c) I see no mention of "pump basic setting" after the oil change and cleaning. According to some resources this is vital to reset the pump to "as new" condition and make it "forget" the previously stored voltage/current parameters due to the (previously) dirty screen.

Or is it only a problem in completely clogged cases?  I do have OBDEleleven and I have located the function so I will be doing it according to the following instructions I found in a Golf R page but I was just curious as to how others have proceeded...


Again thanks for the comprehensive write-up :thumbup:

PS. I also think the p/n for the Haldex oil is wrong? Google doesn't return any results for "G 60 175 S2"  and also in your pictures the p/n on the bottle reads "G 060 175 A2" instead, typo I guess?!

 

Haldex reset OBDEleven.jpg

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Hej min vän @newbie69 :) 

 

Sorry for the time response. Good thing that you MPed me!

 

On 12/04/2021 at 16:59, newbie69 said:

Getting ready for doing mine for the first time, great guide and fully detailed! Just a few questions:

a) the oil filling syringe, the link is dead but in any case it's impossible to find the same item in different countries so what pipe diameter is needed for that? any specs?

[...]

 

Here is the syringe I've bought:

https://www.amazon.fr/Sealey-VS404-seringue-dinspection-fluides/dp/B00BTYPBP0/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=pompe+à+graisse+sealey&qid=1618515568&sr=8-5

The hose is approximately 1cm diameter.

 

On 12/04/2021 at 16:59, newbie69 said:

[...]

b) when removing the syringe after the 1st fill (up to ~650ml) for priming the pump, don't you get a mess from oil spilling out since it's already full? should you take extra care during that step and the next one when switching from syringe to the new fill plug to avoid having the oil leaking all over?

[...]

Actually, since there are graduations on the syringe, you know when you're about to reach 650ml and you can anticipate when it should starting spilling out. Thus, no risk of being "showered" with Haldex oil... ;) Same thing with 2nd top up.

Of course prepare some rags, just in case and a cardboard to protect your floor from stains if needed. This oil also smells strong. Your working area may smell Haldex Oil for a while if you don't protect your floor.

But it's not a big deal...

 

On 12/04/2021 at 16:59, newbie69 said:

[...]

c) I see no mention of "pump basic setting" after the oil change and cleaning. According to some resources this is vital to reset the pump to "as new" condition and make it "forget" the previously stored voltage/current parameters due to the (previously) dirty screen.

Or is it only a problem in completely clogged cases?  I do have OBDEleleven and I have located the function so I will be doing it according to the following instructions I found in a Golf R page but I was just curious as to how others have proceeded...

[...]

Actually, you're pointing something interesting.

When I did it, I didn't find any advice about this. But recently the french VAG website from which I got most of my information had released a specific web page, were they describe how to prime the pump properly with VCDS:

https://www.vag-perf.fr/preparation-chassis/transmission/procedure-vcds-pour-lamorcage-de-la-pompe-dhaldex-lors-de-la-vidange/

See § 3.3 in particular.

I know, it's in french, but... Google tanslate is you're friend. :giggle: Fortunately the snapshots are from an english VCDS version. More seriously, if needed, MP me if you want me to translate some paragraphs of this web page.

 

But concretely, it's only a way to check that the priming procedure went OK. There's no setting to do, at least according to this website. I don't know what about the Gold R page you're referring to. I assume the priming operation could enable the Haldex Controller to reset the control parameters on its own. But It's only a guess. :wait:

 

On 12/04/2021 at 16:59, newbie69 said:

[...]
Again thanks for the comprehensive write-up :thumbup:

PS. I also think the p/n for the Haldex oil is wrong? Google doesn't return any results for "G 60 175 S2"  and also in your pictures the p/n on the bottle reads "G 060 175 A2" instead, typo I guess?!

 

Haldex reset OBDEleven.jpg

 

Oups! You're right for the oil P/N reference :thumbup:. A mistyping indeed!

I'll ask a moderator to correct it. ;) 

 

 

The procedure you've pasted seems a bit more complete. But as you can see there's no really setting to do. It's only a test performed twice and then potential fault codes cleaning...

 

Now, it's up to you! And please make your feedbacks once done! ;)

Enjoy and take care! 

 

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On 15/04/2021 at 22:29, Bap33 said:

 

Hej min vän @newbie69 :) 

 

Sorry for the time response. Good thing that you MPed me!

 

 

Here is the syringe I've bought:

https://www.amazon.fr/Sealey-VS404-seringue-dinspection-fluides/dp/B00BTYPBP0/ref=sr_1_5?__mk_fr_FR=ÅMÅŽÕÑ&dchild=1&keywords=pompe+à+graisse+sealey&qid=1618515568&sr=8-5

The hose is approximately 1cm diameter.

 

Actually, since there are graduations on the syringe, you know when you're about to reach 650ml and you can anticipate when it should starting spilling out. Thus, no risk of being "showered" with Haldex oil... ;) Same thing with 2nd top up.

Of course prepare some rags, just in case and a cardboard to protect your floor from stains if needed. This oil also smells strong. Your working area may smell Haldex Oil for a while if you don't protect your floor.

But it's not a big deal...

 

Actually, you're pointing something interesting.

When I did it, I didn't find any advice about this. But recently the french VAG website from which I got most of my information had released a specific web page, were they describe how to prime the pump properly with VCDS:

https://www.vag-perf.fr/preparation-chassis/transmission/procedure-vcds-pour-lamorcage-de-la-pompe-dhaldex-lors-de-la-vidange/

See § 3.3 in particular.

I know, it's in french, but... Google tanslate is you're friend. :giggle: Fortunately the snapshots are from an english VCDS version. More seriously, if needed, MP me if you want me to translate some paragraphs of this web page.

 

But concretely, it's only a way to check that the priming procedure went OK. There's no setting to do, at least according to this website. I don't know what about the Gold R page you're referring to. I assume the priming operation could enable the Haldex Controller to reset the control parameters on its own. But It's only a guess. :wait:

 

 

Oups! You're right for the oil P/N reference :thumbup:. A mistyping indeed!

I'll ask a moderator to correct it. ;) 

 

 

The procedure you've pasted seems a bit more complete. But as you can see there's no really setting to do. It's only a test performed twice and then potential fault codes cleaning...

 

Now, it's up to you! And please make your feedbacks once done! ;)

Enjoy and take care! 

 



Thanks Bap! All clear, just one more thing:

I understand that you can anticipate when you've filled it with ~650ml, but what I meant is when you actually take out the hose and plug it temporarily in order to start it for the first time, at that point surely some oil must be coming out since you are removing the hose from the fill hole? or is the oil that "thick" that you can quickly plug it without spilling? Doesn't look that thick from the photos.

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Oh, OK, I catch you then!

Yes, the Haldex oil is quite thin (thinner than engine oil).

Thus, to avoid spilling oil upon syringe removal, you need to keep its head up. With one hand you gently bring the piston rod downwards, whereas with your over hand you pull the hose out and keep it updwards.

But even with your best efforts, be sure there will be few oil drops on your work area...:dull:

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So I bought a small pump today which looked like it should be good for the job, only to discover the following warning on a sticker on it after I opened the box: (nothing was written on the outside of the package)

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I wonder why it should not be used with transmission and engine oil but it is ok for brake fluid?! Any possible explanation?

Furthermore, could I get away with a one-time use or I should definitely avoid it, and why? (not expensive enough, I would throw it away anyway)
 

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Uh... :blink:...

Depending on the website, where you bought it, I would rather return it to the seller and buy a new one, that can bear any oil or grease.

The one I've bought is a Sealey ref. VS404. It's clearly written on the box, that it can be used either with grease, oil or brake fluid. :thumbup:

I don't really know, why this one can't be used with grease and oil... May be because the seal is not oil resistant?

But I wouldn't play with that kind of thing just to save some euros, which could lead to much more expensive damage... :speechless:

Note: :wait: I'm not a specialist, It's only my personal approach/feeling. 

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3 hours ago, Bap33 said:

Uh... :blink:...

Depending on the website, where you bought it, I would rather return it to the seller and buy a new one, that can bear any oil or grease.

The one I've bought is a Sealey ref. VS404. It's clearly written on the box, that it can be used either with grease, oil or brake fluid. :thumbup:

I don't really know, why this one can't be used with grease and oil... May be because the seal is not oil resistant?

But I wouldn't play with that kind of thing just to save some euros, which could lead to much more expensive damage... :speechless:

Note: :wait: I'm not a specialist, It's only my personal approach/feeling. 



It's not the cost really, just the loss of my time to drive to the shop I bought it, and now take it back and look for a new one, especially because there was no warning written on the package...

My guess too is something about the rubber seal as you say, although I am not sure if that means the oil is too thin and can escape, or it is too corrosive for the seal material, but then I thought brake fluid was far worse than engine oil in that aspect...

Anyway, I will need to take care of this I think.

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Is the warning to do with the viscosity of the fluid and the pump not being able to cope with thick liquids? Antifreeze is a lot runnier than most oils and I think that the viscosity of brake fluid is fairly low. When I use my Pela manual vacuum pump to suck out engine oil it does help a lot if the oil is warm.

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Spot on!

 

And as for leading to much more expensive damage, to what exactly? Certainly not the vehicle and the extraction pump will be the usual cheap disposable tat of todays world so not that either.

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Ok, so I spoke with a buddy here who had used the same item to do his VAQ oil change on his Cupra, basically identical process, he said the pump managed to fill it by around 50% (3-4dl) then it sucked air and overflowed so he had to repeat the process a few times to get the proper amount of oil in.

So I guess the pump is giving up easily on this type of oil and you might end up trying a few times to fill it properly, i will probably look for another item that can minimize my "heavy cursing" chances then...

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Update from my Haldex oil change today, all went well but I struggled with the following steps:

a) The two Torx screws keeping the Haldex ECU in place, the bottom one is very close to the drive shaft flange and all my tool combinations were either too short or too wide to clear it, not any set will work there, you've been warned! I was saved by a really thin wrench I had in my tool case which i managed to squeeze between the screw head and the flange at an angle, get the hex bit in and clear a valuabe 1-2mm to operate it. However this proved to be a wasted effort as...

b) The ECU plug connecting the Haldex ECU to the pump, yes those dreaded locking tab connectors VAG uses that if were designed with 40% less stiffness on the tab, they would be just as slip-safe but possible to remove from all those pesky, limited-access locations with just one hand instead of endless pulling, swearing and finger crushing in vain...  I thought I had got the hang of them after so many JB4 installations and its infamous plug D  but it just wasn't my day so, if you find yourself in the same position, you can proceed without disconnecting the pump from the ECU at all. Here's how this slightly alternative approach works:

You still unscrew the ECU (remember it takes a special extension or very thin wrench to achieve that) to make more slack for the wiring.
You unscrew the pump but obviously don't stretch it now as it's still connected to the ECU, instead you need to be keeping it up. In some videos they suggest leaving it to rest on the exhaust pipe next to it but I didn't want to take my chances and as I had a buddy with me (always a good idea for jobs you've not tackled before) he took over "support duties".
You can then work as per the usual instructions while having the pump up.

c) One last thing, the M10 filler screw... I have a few tool sets and combinations with which I've completed several jobs in the past, however all my HEX bit sets were stopping at 8, i had actually never needed a 10 HEX bit so far... Why on earth this is not a HEX  head bolt but a socket head only VW knows. 
Of-fcourse I had a good old Allen key set that could do the trick as it included a size 10 key, but not possible to mount on a torque wrench to apply precisely the 38Nm specified upon re-assembly. So, I just relied on common sense to tighten the new bolt back with the Allen key, if you want to do it right make sure you have a 10mm bit before setting off.


And now time for the star of the show...

I had seen people cleaning their Haldex screens at 20-30K and they were looking only mildly dirty so i had some doubts how dirty mine would be / how necessary the whole operation after 2 years and 22.000 km.
Yes I have done at least 20+ launches with the car, and it's tuned too but I was still shocked from this sight upon pump removal:

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The screen was in that sorry state at all sides, not just the one seen in the photos  :o   There had recently been the occasional trumping during launching, but only then, not in normal driving so I had suspected it could be slightly clogged, not that horribly though.

After I saw this I can only say I'm glad I did it and it will be added in my list of yearly or 18months max maintenance, it's going to be much simpler and quicker next time I reckon.

Again thanks to Bap for this guide that detailed the process and provided a great basis to work on :thumbup:

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@newbie69 Sorry if you struggled with some steps. I didn't faced them.

But happy you could find a solution and glad this thread helped you (at least a bit). ;) 

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I don’t remember having used VCDS. Just proceeded as described in step #5 to prime the pump. It looked ok.

Some use VCDS but actually, it doesn’t bring much. It does more or less the same thing as far as I understood.

Check on several tutorials on YouTube if needed. ;) 

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