why is it that some Yeti DSG need an oil change at 40,000miles and some dont?

FWD 1.2 or 1.6TDI CR's  (under 150ps) will have a DQ200 7 speed DSG (Twin Dry Clutch) that does not have Service Schedules / Guidelines for Oil changes.  It has 2 oils, box and MCU.

 

The 6 speed Wet Clutch DSG's used in the AWD's or Yeti's over 110 ps in a Yeti ( 150ps)  (192ps) in other models, need Oil changes.

They have just the one oil.

 

 

Edited 16 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

The wet clutch use slowly contaminates the oil so it has to be replaced at 40k.

However the clutch should outlast the rest of the car as wear is almost negligible. The drive is transmitted by shear in the oil so the plates are travelling at the same speed when they touch together.

Dry clutch wears much like a manual clutch by using friction to take up the drive and will have to be replaced at some point. The oil in the gearbox is not affected so can last a very long time.

Yet some people replace the Oil in DQ200's before a clutch pack is required.  There are those running the same clutches for over 10 years / 100,000 miles plus.

VW Group replaced the Synthetic oil for mineral in Millions of DQ200's Globally from 2012. 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/486121-skoda-fabia-dsg-issues

 

The dry clutch used carefully and correctly should last 140k or so. Abused will be gone in 30k or less. Usefully more than a manual clutch at 80k or so but twice the cost to replace.

They had to replace the oil as it did not last in hot climates.

Eg sitting in drive with foot brake released and handbrake on. This is ok if silly with a conventional auto but kills a dsg clutch pack. Many uninformed drivers do this including a Skoda employee who took me to work in a dsg car whilst mine was in for service.

Edited 18 October, 20205 yr by kenfowler3966

@kenfowler3966

I think you are talking rubbish,  and have been saying the same thing for several years now on here.

 Abused and in remapped to over 200ps cars they can do 100,000 miles plus.

 

There are failures in 70/75ps engine / DSG's and upwards where drivers do what they are supposed to do, drive a Semi Automatic normally and abusing nothing.

 

 

It takes a special kind of idiot that sits in D with the Parking Brake on unless they have a Autohold.

Not sure that has much to do with many of the failed DQ200 DSG's.

 

There are faulty ones that were bad from new and from low miles.

 

It was not a case of not lasting in hot climates as VW said, hence your UK car was part of Service Campaign '34F7',  it was the chance of Internal Corrosion.

After the change of Factory oil then a Sofrware update was needed and that was '34H5' started in 2027.

 

Since 2015 there have been Clutch Pack issues hence the TPI's.

Now with ones since the WLTP came in more TPI's and Software updates.

 

**VW Group were the ones that said "no Recall" was required in Europe / UK because of different climates / humidity etc.**

Then they had to start the Service Campaign and change the oil from 2014 in 2009-2012 DQ200s.

European weather can be just as in New Zealand and the vehicles and components and Software was just the same and cars built in Europe went to New Zealand, Australia etc.

 

** The oil in the Mechatronic Control Unit is not the same as in the gearbox.**  With the non DQ200 DSG's it is just one oil used in box and MCU.

Edited 18 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

By the time a Wet Clutch DSG car gets to over 120,000 miles there should be 3 oil changes done, so that is about £600 spent.

There might be 3 or 4 Haldex Oil changes carried out so £400 to add on for driving the vehicle that might be exactly what you need or want.

There might well be a saving on fuel over a less powerful car with just FWD, bit maybe not.

1 hour ago, e-Roottoot said:

 

Not sure that has much to do with many of the failed DQ200 DSG's.

 

There are faulty ones that were bad from new and from low miles.

 

 

 

 

Indeed,

 

I've had 5 DQ200's , 4 of these have had issues and all with less than 30k miles driven responsibly, 3 required new clutch packs and 1 a mechatronic. I will not buy another DQ200.

 

I've had 3 DQ250's and a DL501, all faultless.

Edited 18 October, 20205 yr by logiclee

I suppose I have to say mine had a new clutch pack in November 2013 at mileage 11,045 (due to clutch judder)  - under warranty - plus. in October 2014 it had  a change of oil and software reset at mileage 15,46. All under warranty

 

It hadn't been abused.

 

Whether I ever buy another DSG isn't set in stone - if I did I would definitely take out the extra two years warranty from new.

 

I think it more likely I'd get a Toyota or Kia (and hope I was lucky).

Edited 18 October, 20205 yr by oldstan

The DQ200 DSG has not long to go in the various VW Group cars.

There will only be 1.0 & 1.5 TSI's with mild hybrids & a DSG.

That will have them pulling away under battery power.

On 18/10/2020 at 14:11, oldstan said:

I suppose I have to say mine had a new clutch pack in November 2013 at mileage 11,045 (due to clutch judder)  - under warranty - plus. in October 2014 it had  a change of oil and software reset at mileage 15,46. All under warranty

 

It hadn't been abused.

 

Whether I ever buy another DSG isn't set in stone - if I did I would definitely take out the extra two years warranty from new.

 

I think it more likely I'd get a Toyota or Kia (and hope I was lucky).

 

There are good VAG DSG options. Just avoid the DQ200

The trouble is (or was at the time I bought the Yeti) - if you wanted a 1200cc petrol you didn't get a choice of DSG ... it was a DQ200 or nothing.

 

I honestly don't know what incarnation of DSG they fit in petrol Skodas now, if I bought new it would be covered by warranty for the first 3+2 years and I suppose I'd worry about the years after that when the time came.

For now it is still the DQ200 in 1.0 & 1.5 TSI's and 1.6 TDI's. (Skoda are stopping building 1.6TDI's) and the DSG's in the small petrols will be just with available with mild hybrid sometime next year.

Such a shame they had all that trouble with DSG (and Ford with theirs).

 

Speaking purely personally I think they drive really nicely.  I have a Hyundai as well and that has a torque converter box which is also fine but I'm just as happy driving the Yeti as the Hyundai. In fact happier as a 1200cc 2011 Hyundai i10 is no ball of fire).

 

 

 

Edited 20 October, 20205 yr by oldstan

'They' do not all have issues with Dual Clutch Gearboxes for smaller capacity engines.  Hyundai / Kia or Suzuki do not.

14 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

'They' do not all have issues with Dual Clutch Gearboxes for smaller capacity engines.  Hyundai / Kia or Suzuki do not.

 

OK, I should have been more specific - by "They" I had VAG particularly in mind.

The important thing to remember is that Skoda assemble 2,200 DQ200 DSG's a day and have been doing for a good few years now.

If they could just own up to how many might be lemons, and when used in which of the 48 vehicle applications they are used in across the VW Group models then things might be better for the person landed with faulty ones.

As it is it often is blamed on drivers when it is component or software issues like most recently with DQ200's fitted to 1.5TSI's that VW had to manipulate the Engine & DSG management for the WLTP and RDE & now the RDE2.

 

People seem to think they are 'Sealed for life', they certainly have no 'Service Schedule, Guidelines or Recommendations for servicing', 

So it would be simply clever if the was a 5, 7 or even a 10 Year Manufacturers Warranty on the DQ200's.

 

VW Group put 100,000 mile / 10 Year Warranties on them in some Countries like China when they did a World Wide Recall in 2012 which excluded Europe.

Edited 21 October, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

6 hours ago, oldstan said:

 

OK, I should have been more specific - by "They" I had VAG particularly in mind.

 

 

To be fair to VAG the DQ200 has been problematic but there are plenty of others that have been great. (Some teething issues aside)

 

Which version does my new 7 speed Karoq 190ps use out of interest?

On 18/10/2020 at 08:55, kenfowler3966 said:

Eg sitting in drive with foot brake released and handbrake on. This is ok if silly with a conventional auto but kills a dsg clutch pack. 

 

On 18/10/2020 at 09:08, e-Roottoot said:

It takes a special kind of idiot that sits in D with the Parking Brake on unless they have a Autohold.

 

My wifes Tiguan has Auto Hold, and we just come to a stop and leave it in Drive, before pulling away again.

My 4x4 DSG Yeti doesn't have this feature, so I instinctively put the gearbox into 'P' when I come to a stop and apply handbrake. Then put it back in D when setting off.

I assume this is the correct procedure?

I would not. You are going through N then reverse and flashing a reverse light, then doing the same back to D. Why not just into N with parking brake on. 

1 minute ago, e-Roottoot said:

I would not. You are going through N then reverse and flashing a reverse light, then doing the same back to D. Why not just into N with parking brake on. 

 

That makes sense, and would be just one movement of the gear stick from D to N.

I guess I assumed P would give some hold if ever the handbrake wasn't on properly?

Yes it locks the front wheels with a pawl in the gearbox. So it is not the brakes that hold the car as when ones with 'autohold' are when it operates. 

30 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

I would not. You are going through N then reverse and flashing a reverse light, then doing the same back to D. Why not just into N with parking brake on. 

 

Only downside is in N the engine will restart if you lift your foot off the brake. In P the engine remains off.

2 hours ago, kenfowler3966 said:

Which version does my new 7 speed Karoq 190ps use out of interest?

 

DQ381

The engine only restarts if it was stopped but if stop start is not being used then obviously not.