Government to announce new petrol and diesel cars/vans will not be allowed to be sold in the UK. Petrol/diesel hybrids will still be on sale however.

you forgot to mention from  2030

3 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

you forgot to mention from  2030

The clue is in the TITLE?

So was it the papers mis reporting this originally? I thought it was a blanket ban on petrol and diesel motors. Seems like a step in the softer direction. Especially as the likes of ford and Mazda are introducing mild hybrids to circumvent this ruling.

At least common sense wins as most hybrids have a greater combined range with an electric motor than a pure EV.

Boris really needs to be made to take a trip to Durham, and then the next day to Inverness, then do the return trip in an under £35,000 EV.    I have done 300 miles today, am charging for the 3rd time today. No public toilets near any of the EV chargers, one charger took a couple of phone calls to get started. So far 6 hours of travel started 9 hours ago. Need another 30 minutes charge before ready for tomorrow.   Lots needs doing in 10 years before many can be part of the lifestyle changes required to have lower emissions or lower costs driving EV,s.     A TESLA is not the answer as most I see are waiting their turn to charge at non TESLA chargers or are slow charging. 

49 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

Lots needs doing in 10 years before many can be part of the lifestyle changes required to have lower emissions or lower costs driving EVs.

One thing that doesn't seem to have been addressed in today's "Green" announcement is how to solve the EV charging problem that people living in cities who have to park in the road will have - trailing cables across the pavement isn't safe (or legal?).

 

Just providing more public charging points isn't enough, everyone who will own an EV needs to be able to safely charge it at home.

Funnily there are on street chargers now, pop up ones being trialed in Dundee and I think Portsmouth. The cable is from the charger to the car in the ones I have used in Aberdeen. Not across the pavement. Across the kerb / gutter.

6 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

Funnily there are on street chargers now, pop up ones being trialed in Dundee and I think Portsmouth. The cable is from the charger to the car in the ones I have used in Aberdeen. Not across the pavement. Across the kerb / gutter.

They need rolling out in EVERY urban area before 2030, and with enough connections for at least one per household (remember many households have more than one car in daily use e.g. Mum, Dad, teenagers,...).

New cars?, don't care. 

Boris and backers see a new world. You work from home or do not work so need go no place and you get home deliveries from people who can earn much working or can not afford cars. They cycle to work.   MP,s are always filmed or pictured with older cars at one of their homes.  Boris is filmed driving borrowed scrappers. 

Edited 18 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

34 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

Boris and backers see a new world. You work from home or do not work so need go no place and you get home deliveries

It's not like that in much of the rural areas of the country - the vast majority of the people in the small town where I live drive approx 20 miles each way to work each day; yes we can get home deliveries from some (not all) of the supermarkets but where I live NONE of the national food takeaway companies operate so even getting a takeaway from one of the national companies means a 40 mile round trip by car.

 

The "powers that be" need to think of the whole country not just the large cities...

12 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

 

The "powers that be" need to think of the whole country not just the large cities...

 

In that case you need to have a word with Princess Nut Nut. If anyone can get it changed, then she's the one.

 

That's if it isn't her idea already.

 

Mind you it could be worse, imagine if she was involved with this lot

 

 

Being able to order a takeaway should not play any part in the decision making process.

 

Being able to charge an EV from every home including flats and those without off road parking is essential.

 

I believe ultimately (not in my lifetime) that all motorways will have drive on roadtrain carriages, electric powered and with inductive charging from underneath the stationary vehicles, Eurotunnel could be the first to trial this.

 

OR, and the physics will no doubt preclude this flight of fancy, when you drive on a main road or motorway your vehicle charges inductively from the road surface taking on more power than it expends. No more filling stations, no more charging stations, no more home charging but road tolls that include the cost of the energy consumed and stored.

Edited 18 November, 20205 yr by J.R.

The English South West really should go Independent and make the most of it's natural resources.

Sun, Wind & Water, minerals etc  and wealthy people that want to live there occasionally or eventually.

 

PS 

Private Passenger Vehicles do not need to charge when driving on roads when most of their life they are parked on roads or off street where inductive charging can happen.

Roads have other users putting cables and pipes under them and that need to do maintenance so digging up.

 

Filling stations are being built as Charging Stations now as well as liquid fueling stations.

EV Charging Stations can be nearer homes than new filling stations with fuel tanks.

Edited 18 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

Don't fret girls, our UK boffins at Dyson are working on the ultimate solution. Just waiting for the government grants to take it into production.

 

Some development since this then? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50004184

An Amazon delivery van parked in our road yesterday and I noticed it was a Mercedes the size of a Transit. It had written 100% electric written on the side. Amazon has the resources to invest in these vehicles but I doubt if local businesses have the cash to follow suit.

11 minutes ago, Wino said:

Some development since this then? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50004184

 

That article is just to throw competitors off the scent. You didn't really think that all that airblade fan stuff was just a toy for use in the (upmarket) home? Air taxis are the future...and dyson are working on it....

 

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@edbostan

Have you actually looked at the Government / HMRC / Tax payer funded grants and incentives for businesses to use / lease / buy EV's like Light Commercials.

 

A MG5 Estate (EV) is £24,000 and a Van version could be much less. 

That will be a 200 mile delivery or trades person EV.

 

Issue with Transit / Merc type LGV's is that they might well need delivered to locations like their new owners / users on diesel transporters as driving them more than 80 miles is a problem

& even that far can be a no no with a new vehicle delivery driver.

 

Geely are ahead of the game with the Cabs & Vans with the ICE Hybrids for Urban low emissions.

AMAZON being one of their customers.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 18 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

The ban on hybrid is said to be still 2035. The only thing that has been bought forward is ban on brand new pure ICE powered vehicles. This makes a LOT of sense: 

- most manufacturers have already moved to mild-hybrid now, banning sales of new cars in 10 years isn't going to affect many models. 

- EV isn't for everyone and won't be over next 10 years, so hybrid for a further few years while infrastructure catches up 

 

The biggest thing changing over next 10 years would be people's mindset. Around 2015, EV was seen as a toy. In 2017, second hand Leaf finished from leases were piling up, I got my one relatively cheaply. But from look of things, starting in 2020, we will see an accelerated shift in public opinion of EV's as motor journalists race to change their outdated tune. 

I am hoping my 7-year-old Roomster will see me out. It is still like new and keeping it another 10 years is feasible and I might not fancy driving over the age of 80 with insurance companies hiking premiums to encourage me off the road. Perhaps driving a ICE will have a social stigma with people holding their noses as I drive past and VED rates going through the roof as I will be branded as a guilty party wrecking the environment.

Edited 19 November, 20205 yr by edbostan

16 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

Filling stations are being built as Charging Stations now as well as liquid fueling stations.

That's fine where filling stations are being built, but round here independent filling stations are closing because of price pressure from the supermarkets in main towns (i.e. 15 miles away for the 5000 of us living in the small town I do).

 

EV charging at home, in street as well as on drive and in garage) is essential IMHO especially in areas where there is a high percentage of people who either don't work or work from home.

Edited 19 November, 20205 yr by PetrolDave

If Local Community Filling Stations are required then communities can run them.

They can have EV charging as well.

In areas of the UK which include the South that get 5 pence fuel subsidies that would be 'simply clever' especially with many people no longer in gainful employment.

That is if viable and people locally will use that facility and not just ignore it and go a few miles to get the supermarket and fuel.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-30829356

EX35 post code for the Devon area included in a Fuel Rebate....

 

 

EV charging or Hydrogen filling at local hubs from electricity or hydrogen produced right there in the community from the Wind or Solar makes total sense then.

Communities are as well using the energy produced on public land.

Private Land Owners can earn half a million squids a year from a turbine on their land.

 

The brothers that have bought Asda own or operate thousands of filling stations around Europe so i can see that Asda EV Charging hubs & others will expand & improve from what Asda now provides.    The Government will be sure local planning is not causing delays.

https://uk.eurogarages.com/#

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EG_Group

 

Boris might be stupid but he is not daft and knows what side his bread is buttered on.

https://www.business-live.co.uk/enterprise/self-made-billionaire-issa-brothers-19080117

 

As to when the UK / World will go back to the old days only time will tell,

so people will be running what they have or can afford for a decade or more, and if jobs are in short supply there should be new ones coming getting the UK ready for Boris's vision of the future.

 

As for me today has been fun as each charger station location i arrived at was fully in use with people waiting.

So i had to hypermile to get to 2 different location with loads of chargers before getting home.

That is the future in Scotland now for EV drivers that needs to charge while travelling as EV's get more and more popular.

 

Today is the first time i have seen a few Tesla all charging at the same time at the Tesla Supercharger station in Perth.

There were others about at the other locations on type 2 chargers.

 

 

 

 

Edited 19 November, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

28 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

As for me today has been fun as each charger station location i arrived at was fully in use with people waiting.

So i had to hypermile to get to 2 different location with loads of chargers before getting home.

That is the future in Scotland now for EV drivers that needs to charge while travelling as EV's get more and more popular.

Not everyone will be smart enough to hypermile, I can see the breakdown companies getting many more callouts - not for "I've run out of petrol/diesel" but for "The battery is flat on my EV" - it will be interesting to see whether they equip their vans with a universal boost charger pack (if such a thing exists) or simply tow the EV to the nearest charging station?