Heavy condensation on inside of windows

[Rockinghorse]

My 1.2 Octavia was great and didn't burn a drop but the 1.5 is a different story and VAG know it. They will freely tell you that they can burn half a litre in 600 miles.

[Ootohere]

@Rockinghorse

Every Owners manual for ever for every VW Group engine from 44 kW up and 3,4,5,6,8,12 Cyclinder and Petrol / Diesel says May Use 0.5 Litres in 1,000 km (621 miles) 

and it may use more in the first 5,000 km. 

 

(Now they come with VW 508 000 / 509 00 so 0w 20 FS IV and not VW 504 000 / 507 00 so not 5w 30 FS III)

 

As to the 1.5TSI engines the issues are known with the Updates required, well some have, if all had then we could really get at VW, but plenty love their car. 

As to the OIl use or excessive oil use. 

I have replied to many members posting here on Oil needing topped up.

The common theme is that they never checked the Oil level when collecting the car and never checked the oil level at operating temp, and never checked the oil until they got a warning light.

 

If they use oil as if they are a 2 stroke engine they are gubbed, faulty, need attention, are not green and the Cylinder Deactivation & software cheats to get the WLPT / RDE results are VW Group at it again and as big a scandal as the Defeat Device cheating.

 

 

VW Owners Manuals and instructions can be crap, and for oil some say Warm, some Hot, some At Operating Temperature, and some are vague.

*** VW Owners Manual are not telling you to check when cold on the Flat.  Obviously do that, and also do the correct way and At Normal Operating Temperature.  Be able to know where the correct level is when cold so that you can check before a journey, and not have to stop and check.*

1.2, 44 kW VW Engines are checked when cold, they have only 2.8 litres oil capacity.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 2 December, 2020 by e-Roottoot

[Rockinghorse]

That is right but until this car I have never had to top oil up between oil changes, so it is quite a shock when you buy a new  car and find it uses just what it says in the manual. None of my previous VAG cars ever used oil, even my 1st Passat with 120k on the clock never used a drop between changes. I am not alone in complaining about modern VAG engines it is well publicized on the net.

My neighbour had a 2019 Audi A3 1.5 petrol which was a nightmare. It was dangerous to drive as the engine would splutter and die as he pulled out of junctions. His wife refused to drive it as it scared her. After all of the software updates it was slightly better but drank fuel and oil. He was having to top it up so often in the end he took the car back and they replaced it. The new one is much better ( still 2019 model ) so these 1.5 engines do vary a lot. I obviously have one of the not so good ones but the dealership say that it checks out ok and all the things I don't like are normal for this engine.

One thing I will say is that while my car is being repaired the dealership have loaned me a 2020 Golf 1.5 and the difference in the engine is night and day. They have obviously fixed/updated something as this one is so smooth compared to mine. It still has that slight rattle on tick over when cold but revs so much more freely and is like a sewing machine. When pulling away in 1st it is smooth and spins beautifully whereas mine tends to be rough and I am glad when it changes up into 2nd.

It might be software updates I don't know but it is much better. On a different note I also like the suspension much better than my Karoq. The Golf soaks up the bumps and rough surfaces quietly and smoothly and gives a much better ride quality all round. I do miss the space in the Karoq though as the Golf is rather claustrophobic.

I have always preferred German cars but it might be time to try a Japanese model when we get out of this awful time 

[Ootohere]

@RockinghorseYou bought a Czech manufacturers car that has VW as a parent company and parts supplier.

 

Maybe you should have bought a Hyundai built in the Czech republic designed in Germany and with better quality control and a longer warranty, 

or maybe a Kia built in a neighbouring country. 

 

South Korean manufacturers and Japaneses seem to be better at building vehicles to suit European weather than the likes of the VW Group who are based in Central Europe.

[J.R.]

All of my skodas have burnt oil but I have never needed to put any petrol in them

[DSL]

Just got to remember to put oil (heavy version) in mine, not t’other stuff. 

 

Re oil in the big spinning lump in the front, it hasn’t used a drop in 4,100 miles.  Thanks for the discussion on burning oil, just been out to check it.  

[Rockinghorse]

Thanks RootToot

 

That's exactly where I will be looking very soon. It is a shame though as I have always preferred VAG interior styling and I didn't like the small rear window in the Sportage but I will certainly be giving them a fresh look now.

[Quickasaquickthing]

I’m afraid this condensation issue might be yet another ‘characteristic’ ! This time of skodas generally rather than just the Karoq. I suspect a lot of us suffer from it at this time of year. 
 

My Karoq windscreen (and driver and passenger door windows) has started being very misted up in the mornings now. But not as bad as yours. If it’s actually running down the windscreen that’s a lot of damp and may indicate a separate issue. I carry a wet dog and a wet jacket and I can keep it clear (after the initial morning wipe down with an old towel) by running the ac which I have running all the time. 
 

My Octavia used to do it too at this time of year and I seem to remember the octavia forum used to have a ‘my windscreen is full of condensation today’ thread. A bit like the first cuckoo of spring. 
 

 

[Rockinghorse]

In case you missed the  thread, the dealership have found a leak either at the base of the windscreen or the front bulkhead and are at present stripping down to try and sort it. As others have stated they had the same experience and have had carpets replaced on warranty. Mine is not that bad yet but who knows what the future will bring??

[Ootohere]

@Rockinghorse

The problem is that the similar problem of steaming up an condensation has been one that Skoda has had for decades, even when no seal faults, or pan roof drains etc.

So owners might fight it for years and never resolve it.

 

It is something Skoda got from VW.  Since VW went from Air Cooled engines and open top cars they struggle to keep liquids in the engines and liquids out of the interior.

Just to keep the Heritage going.

 

Vorsprung Durch Technik. 

 Some will have short memories or just keep knocking their head against a wall to relieve the pain.

Edited 2 December, 2020 by e-Roottoot

[croquemonsieur]

I can sympathise, water ingress in a car is no fun, nor in your home for that matter.

 

However following  some suggestions here about condensation, I don't find this much of an issue in my Karoq, here in the South East and we had a very wet spell not so long ago, with presumably very high humidity.  In fact I'd say it's possibly one of the best car I've owned in this respect.  Don't recall it being talked about much here in earlier messages either.  I remember reading long ago that Audi cars at one time had a bad reputation for this, but I'm talking about decades past.

 

Oil consumption not been a problem so far on my 1.0, but then it only did 6,000miles before the first service at end of July.  I do find the checking level while warm inconvenient & not been done since that service - best do it soon.  Must get round to doing that when warm / when cold comparison so as to be able to check when cold.

[croquemonsieur]

Totally off topic I know, but re Rockinghorse's comment a few messages back, on his borrowed new Golf having a better ride than the Karoq - I believe that all current Golfs have DCC - i.e. adaptive dampers - which seemingly do make a worthwhile difference to ride quality, not that I've tried it.  DCC is of course available on some Karoqs now.

 

Also of course, it's easier to get a better handling / ride compromise in a car with lower centre of gravity, but not always evident in the real world - I find my sister in law's last genertion 1.0 Focus (lowly model standard suspension) less comfortable than my much higher up 1.0 Karoq, which actually has slightly lower profile tyres on it's 17" wheels.

[Ootohere]

@croquemonsieur

I will not bother linking the steaming up threads and posts from the various models / generation of models on this forum from the past decade as they are easy to find with a search including ones from this past year.

Not common in the Karoq section though, and then there has been a cause found for @Rockinghorse's car problem.

[Rockinghorse]

Hi Guys

 

Just a quick update. The dealership rang last evening to say that my car will be longer than they thought as they are not absolutely sure it is the windscreen that is leaking. They have the car all stripped out, carpets trims and headlining and there is definitely a leak but they want to be sure it is the windscreen before they order one, so it will probably be next week before I get is back. I just hope they are capable of putting it all back together properly.

 

As far as the ride quality is concerned I am happy enough with the general ride and cornering but I just find that over holes and bad areas of road surface it is terrible. There is a strip across the road just up from my house where they cut a strip out to lay a cable., it's about 150mm wide and goes right across the road. Inevitably the infill has sunk and is now about 50mm below the surface and I have tried driving over it at various speeds but it always jars the car so much that I find when I can I come to an almost full stop and gently run over it. There are several bad holes around my town and I now know where they all are and make a conscious effort to avoid them all. It is completely different when driving the Golf as I can just drive in a straight line and hardly notice any of them. I appreciate they have to harden up the suspension setting to stop an SUV rolling but my daughters Qashqai is just like the Golf so it can be done.

 

On the oil burning issue as I have said many times before it seems to be the 1.5 petrol which is the worst of the bunch. When you get a good one they are great, quiet and no oil consumption but when you get a bad one you get both of these problems and I don't believe VAG know why. You would think in this age of computers they could work it out - or have they????????????? and is that why the 1.5 in the Golf I have been using is like night and day different, but they just won't admit it.

 

I do think for a £28k+ car the Karoq should be a lot better than it is - I do think mine was made on a Friday afternoon at five to knocking off time.

[Ootohere]

Surely it is a Windscreen  / Glass specialist coming to fit a new screen and not Dealership staff.

 

The age of computers is the issue,

VW Group were like rabbits caught in the headlights as they needed the WLTP Certification & RDE results for the 1.5 TSI's and they had no Engineering resolution so went for a Software solution, and they compromised driveability in the real world to get WLTP results under the WLTP regime.

 

They have been doing the Robert the Bruce spider thing ever since.

Edited 5 December, 2020 by e-Roottoot

[CJJE]

2 hours ago, croquemonsieur said:

Totally off topic I know, but re Rockinghorse's comment a few messages back, on his borrowed new Golf having a better ride than the Karoq - I believe that all current Golfs have DCC - i.e. adaptive dampers - which seemingly do make a worthwhile difference to ride quality, not that I've tried it.  DCC is of course available on some Karoqs now.

 

Also of course, it's easier to get a better handling / ride compromise in a car with lower centre of gravity, but not always evident in the real world - I find my sister in law's last genertion 1.0 Focus (lowly model standard suspension) less comfortable than my much higher up 1.0 Karoq, which actually has slightly lower profile tyres on it's 17" wheels.

Nope, even the latest Golf 8 charges £950 extra for DCC on the ordinary trim levels. (Reduced to £785 by the time you get up to the R).

 

Chris

[croquemonsieur]

Ah, sorry for that misinformation.  I'm getting a bit out of touch as haven't been buying car mags recently & indeed have suspended my weekly flip through them at our local WH Smiths for now.  Reports in mags when the new Golf emerged, did talk quite alot about this feature, amongst other things.

 

I don't suppose Rockinghorse knows if the Golf he's got has this feature.  Agree with him that the standard Karoq low speed ride and the way it deals with ridges isn't world beating, even on 17" wheels (with Turanzas), but I've been in worse cars in this regard.

[Rockinghorse]

I wouldn't expect so as it is a basic courtesy car.

 

Mine has 18" wheel and 50 ratio tyres which doesn't help but so has my daughters Qashqai so it's no excuse. I do believe the the Turanzas are part of it as they are very hard. If I was keeping the car I would fit some Michelins. 

[OldKaroq]

On 02/12/2020 at 12:36, Rockinghorse said:

Thanks RootToot

 

That's exactly where I will be looking very soon. It is a shame though as I have always preferred VAG interior styling and I didn't like the small rear window in the Sportage but I will certainly be giving them a fresh look now.

Shudders. Couldn't wait to ditch my top of the range Sportage. Creaking from the sunroof that dealers couldn't fix. Auto box change down problem that the dealers couldn't replicate. No fault found. Until I drove out the dealers.... A diesel "tractor" engine. Wooley steering. Nope all bad memories. My first and last Kia.

 

[Ootohere]

@OldKaroqI remember you saying that in another thread.

?

What age of Sportage was that and was it a European built one or in South Korea?

 

Comparing a 2016 car with 2020 ones is like comparing 2016 Skoda with a 2020 one, 

maybe a fair thing as the OP has pointed out issues his car is having, and issues others are having with their Karoq's since they were introduced.

Hopefully the MY21 cars are fully sorted and no need to wait until there is a facelift.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/450809-so-disapointed

 

Edited 6 December, 2020 by e-Roottoot

[Rockinghorse]

I have to say that I did  22 mile round trip in the Golf courtesy car yesterday and that engine is like chalk and cheese compared to mine. The suspension is soooo much better than the Karoq but I wouldn't have another Golf after the Karoq cos they seem so claustrophobic. The windscreen is so raked back that I always bang my head when getting in.The other thing I didn't like was all the new controls which are touch rather than switches. They are not so easy to operate while driving but I suppose it's the way all cars will go eventually.

 

Still no idea when I will get my car back but fingers crossed it will be this week.

 

[CJJE]

51 minutes ago, Rockinghorse said:

I have to say that I did  22 mile round trip in the Golf courtesy car yesterday and that engine is like chalk and cheese compared to mine. The suspension is soooo much better than the Karoq but I wouldn't have another Golf after the Karoq cos they seem so claustrophobic. The windscreen is so raked back that I always bang my head when getting in.The other thing I didn't like was all the new controls which are touch rather than switches. They are not so easy to operate while driving but I suppose it's the way all cars will go eventually.

 

Still no idea when I will get my car back but fingers crossed it will be this week.

 

 

That's why I bought a MY21 Karoq before the facelift gave it the same touchscreen controls as the new Tiguan! The Golf SV was much less claustrophobic than the little Golfs, but it's been killed off now as VW ditch MPVs for SUVs. 

[Ootohere]

MPV / SUV or whatever term is used does not change them from being mid sized cars with some taller than others that are 4 or 5 seaters or maybe 4 full size and a small one.

Maybe FWD and maybe AWD. 

[farty]

Ergonomics are going backwards!  It's much easier to control the heat/demist/face/foot distribution with a rotary knob than sliders - you remember where they 'point'.  The new rotary knobs are digitised and only command an increase or a decrease.  I like controls that move where you want an effect to move.  I chose my kitchen hob because the four heat controls were laid out in the same pattern as the 'rings'.

 

The great LJK Setright often wrote about this.

 

If you ask someone who wears a digital watch the time and ask them again ten minutes later, they can't remember and have to look again.  If you try this with a person wearing an analogue watch they will say, 'it's nearly ten o' clock or it's about half past three, as appropriate'.

[OldKaroq]

2 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

@OldKaroqI remember you saying that in another thread.

?

What age of Sportage was that and was it a European built one or in South Korea?

 

Comparing a 2016 car with 2020 ones is like comparing 2016 Skoda with a 2020 one, 

maybe a fair thing as the OP has pointed out issues his car is having, and issues others are having with their Karoq's since they were introduced.

Hopefully the MY21 cars are fully sorted and no need to wait until there is a facelift.

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/450809-so-disapointed

 

It was a new 2017 model. South Korea build. Like the OP maybe I was unlucky. But I simply never gelled with the car. An expensive mistake. I quickly learnt what "extras" I didn't need and can easily do without. My first sunroof for 25 years. Surely they have got them right after this long? Nope. 

 

My model Karoq was an early 18 plate. No issues at all.