Hello!

 

New to the forum, and hopefully new to owning a Skoda but I have a question or two that I'd love some help/advice with.

 

I'm eyeing up a 64 plate Octavia with 2l TDI auto and the seller (used car sales type)  informs me it's a 7 speed dry clutch and therefore doesn't need an oil change, I just wanted to confirm with you fine people if this is likely/true etc.

 

Also it has 90k+ miles on it and wondered thoughts on that. 

 

Price is in excess of £6500.

 

 

Regards

 

Keiran

 

Welcome. 

The Seller knows nothing about the car, so buyer beware.

 

If you look at the car you will see a 64 Plate 2l TDI has 6 forward and 1 reverse with the Wet Clutch DSG, and it is not a 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch DQ200 DSG.

They are not fitted to 2 litre TSI or TDI's. 

The DSG with those require a 40,000 mile oil change.

 

That means the DSG should have had 2 oil changes by now and you want to see the evidence in the form of an invoice & receipt.

 

Some in the Octavia Section should be able to help.

Edited 16 March, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

Hello Kieran 

 

Must admit I though all the 2.0 TDI's from that year had the 6 speed DQ250 wet clutch DSG.

 

Perhaps ask them to clarify exactly which DSG it has.

 

Gaz

The Sales Person really needs a kick up the backside.

I would be asking them if they have ever driven the car.       

 

 The funny thing is that a member here with a 7 speed DSG Octavia had no idea their car had 7 gears and not just 6.

That's really helpful thank you, is it possible to see where the dsg oil is drained from beneath the car? If so I'll see if I can get them to take a photo to confirm.

 

I get the feeling if I question the assertion (quoting them exactly):

 

"It’s dry clutch DSG 7 speed . It does not need oil change service. Wet clutch are old ones that needed oil change."

 

they might get funny about it. 

2 minutes ago, Keiran said:

they might get funny about it. 

If they 'get funny about it' then can you really trust them, and would you want to spend your hard earned cash with a seller that gets upset when you ask a reasonable question about how the car has been maintained?

Edited 16 March, 20215 yr by PetrolDave

My 2018 Golf GTI has the 6 speed wet clutch DQ250, so not exactly 'old'.

 

If if does have the DQ200 7 speed dry, then it's got completely the wrong DSG in it.  Are you sure it's not a 1.6TDI?

 

You need to know exactly which DSG it has, but irrespective of that I'd be walking away by now.

 

Gaz

@KeiranI promise you that there is no DQ200 DSG on that car.

 

They are fitted to Skoda cars with 180 ps or less and 250Nm max.

that is just with the 1.4 & 1.6 TDI cars,  or 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, 1.5 or 1.8 TSI's.

 

2014 is too early for a Skoda 2.0 TSI or a TDI to have a 7 speed wet DSG.

 

Edited 16 March, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

Can we have a link to the advert?

 

Gaz

@Keiran

Brand new 2.0 TDI's have 7 Speed Wet Clutch DSG's.

 

VW Group still do DQ200 7 Speed Twin Dry Clutch DSG's but are soon discontinuing them unless combined with Mild Hybrid with 1.0 & 1.5 TSI engines.

Just now, Gaz_ said:

Can we have a link to the advert?

 

Gaz

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202102199262048?model=OCTAVIA&price-from=5000&postcode=pl47ha&include-delivery-option=on&radius=1500&maximum-mileage=100000&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used&sort=datedesc&body-type=Estate&transmission=Automatic&price-to=7000&make=SKODA&minimum-badge-engine-size=2.0&advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2013&page=1

 

 

They shared the service history when I asked. I've had a look through and I see no specific mention of a DSG oil change which is why I asked them 

Fairly clear it's not a 1.6 then.  Unremarkable MOT history.

 

Would love to see it change into 7th! 

 

Gaz

Those 2014 2.0 TDI 150 ps are 320 Nm so can not have a DQ200 DSG.

 

The 2015 VW Polo GTI 1.8 TSI with 192ps got as DQ200 DSG and 250 Nm. but the Manual box cars had 320 Nm.

They did the same performance.

 

@38,000 miles someone should have been looking at getting the DSG Oil Changed.

(Audi have 38,000 miles as the Scheduled Change for s-tronics.)

 

Lookers West London should have done it in 2017 @ 44,285 miles if it had not been done.

 

Edited 16 March, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

I just spoke to my local Skoda specialists and they've said it's a 7 speed dry clutch :/ I'll call elsewhere too

@Keiran  Can the salesperson not just take it for a drive and see if it does into D7 ?

 

It must need a wee Italian Tune Up anyway to clean the discs.

(actually the rears look ok in the pictures.)

Edited 16 March, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

1 hour ago, Keiran said:

I just spoke to my local Skoda specialists and they've said it's a 7 speed dry clutch :/ I'll call elsewhere too

 

I can't find any reference to a 7 speed DSG for this car:

 

 

Taken from here:

https://www.autoevolution.com/cars/skoda-octavia-2013.html#aeng_skoda-octavia-2013-20-tdi-at-150-hp

 

And from Parkers:

 

Even Wiki confirms it'll only be a DQ250.

 

Something's not right.  As George has pointed out it couldn't (shouldn't) have the DQ200 because of torque restrictions.  And even, in the extremely unlikely event it were to be a one-off with a very early DQ380 (production started in 2015) 7 speed, that's still a wet clutch.  Unless something's happened to it, and it doesn't have the box it came with.

 

Quite fascinating 

 

Gaz

Edited 16 March, 20215 yr by Gaz_

http://car.info/en-se/skoda/octavia/5e-20-tdi-6615155

 

 

 

Edited 16 March, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

50 minutes ago, Keiran said:

....Skoda specialists.......

 

Hmmm..... 

 

G

DQ250 - gotta be if its a 2013 car.  I think the DQ381's came in around 2016/2017 (around the time of the face-lifted cars) - which were 7 speed.

Just spoke directly to Skoda and it's confirmed as a wet clutch. Thank you all for the help, amazingly fast replies. Going to be sticking around this place

 

Now to figure out what to do about the car linked above. Probably walk away if I'm sensible. Or ask for further clarification

12 minutes ago, Keiran said:

Probably walk away if I'm sensible.

This ... there will be another one for sale sometime soon that meets your requirements

4 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

This ... there will be another one for sale sometime soon that meets your requirements

+1 vote for this. It's not a rare spec, colour or model. You probably won't need to be too patient until another suitable car comes up.

And you never know, the next one that comes along might be being sold by someone who knows how many gears it's got and whether it's a wet or dry clutch DSG.  Pretty fundamental really.

 

Gaz

There are plenty of nice 2013/2014 cars out there for sale - try to get a high-spec one - Elegance.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2013&price-to=7000&postcode=td145js&sort=relevance&price-from=6000&fuel-type=Diesel&include-delivery-option=on&minimum-badge-engine-size=2.0&guid=f19c937c-838c-4f46-85f1-fab0c0bb392e&model=OCTAVIA&page=1&aggregatedTrim=Elegance&radius=1500&make=SKODA&year-to=2014&onesearchad=New&onesearchad=Nearly New&onesearchad=Used#202102249438204