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Spins,bangs and rattles

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I have recently acquired a 2.0 tsi 220,I really am enjoying it,but one thing really is annoying me is that when I put my foot down the car spins, rattles makes all sought of sounds,I have tried turning the traction control on and off  but doesn't seem to make a difference, there is budget tyres on the front but I don't think that would make much difference,has anyone else got these issues can it be resolved?

Iirc, its easy for the front tyres to break loose when you floor the throttle on a 220ps tsi. Only time I provoked tyre spin on my lowly 1.4tsi with P7 tyres, there was a lot of uncouth banging and other noises with the traction control light flashing away.

 

So maybe its just the budget tyres, have you decent ones on the back you can swap to the front?

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Just one quality tyre at the back they all have good tread though

Time for 4 new quality tyres then!

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Finances are a bit tight at the moment,hopefully its just the tyres then

partly solution

  

On 10/11/2020 at 16:58, MartiniB said:

220ps does spin on wet,

to minimize that i have installed 034 dogbone mount

and bigger diameter tires 225/55r17 Michelin Primacy 3

 

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034 dogbone mount interesting, I will have to do some homework, thanks i have 19" alloys

41 minutes ago, Mannysingh said:

Just one quality tyre at the back they all have good tread though


They are probably all summer tyres as well.

These can be quite hard (and thus not grippy) below about +11c

If don’t believe me, just try and prod it, and slide finger over them to check grip

 

The tsi 220 puts down lot of power, from a relatively light front of the car, there isn’t a huge lump of cast iron (a Diesel engine) giving lots of deadweight.

 

The rattling is probably traction control trying to stop the wheels slipping.

 

Your solution is premium tyres, and if you want to use it all year without spinning the wheels, fit all season tyres, not summer tyres.

 

I agree with @SurreyJohn, same on my 220. Use premium tyres, all season. That's what I use as well

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Three tyres are jinyu gallopro 235/40/zr19 and one is pirelli cinturato p7, fitted by skoda dealership before I bought the car,which premium all season tyres are you using

The dogbone has been mentioned. Other options: ease on the throttle, lower the air pressure in the tyres, trade up to a 4WD. 

 

The car came with P7's, but I've stopped getting wheel spin since mounting Vredestein Quatrac 5's. 

If your tyres are 235/40 R19 then not biggest choice in all season :

 

Vredesrein Quatrac Pro (newer than Quatrac 5) is highly rated

Bridgestone Weather Control A005 evo (one of the best in rain)

Pirelli Cinturato SF2 (brand new, but should be good)

Maxxis Premitra AP3 (does well in reviews for a budget brand)

Michelin cross climate+ (quiet, long lasting, but pricey)

Imperial all season driver (cheap, but not good idea on a 220bhp car)

 

 

I have the 220bhp and the wheel hop / axle tramp is awful.. I think it's the MQB platform.. mine has done it from new.. so much so that I initially left it into Skoda to check the transport blocks hadn't been left in by mistake.. causing it to jump about and bang.. agree.. get decent front tyres, but I've had potenzas on then Avon's and its still bad..

 

 

Just remember tyres are temperature specific 

 

Summer tyres likely to slip in wet below +11c (they are better 20-35c)

All season tyres best for -5c to +25c, and ok for few degrees beyond

Winter tyres best below about +9c, good to about about +15c, less good if warmer

 

depending on where you are in UK, you can make your own choice, but if you really want to avoid spinning the wheels, both in high summer thunderstorm and winter sleety rain, then you need appropriate tyres.  With high power cars you may be best with seasonal tyres and changing them early Nov and early April.   
 

There is no point in having lots of tread, but a tyre that is hard and not grippy  because it’s too cold.

 

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I think I am tempted to go for the Vredesrein Quatrac Pro,but just have to ease off the right foot until I can afford them,sportline is going in on Friday to skoda to get the colombus looked at as it has the 2 vertical lines as mentioned on the forum,going to do a oil change myself today, looking forward to it.

My wife’s focus st was horrendous for axle tramp until I fitted a Revo rear mount to stop engine flex. Very slight difference in NVH levels but generally not noticeable. Wondering if a front uprated roll bar would help your issue as well. 

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I will do some research on front uprated roll bar thanks

19 hours ago, Mannysingh said:

pirelli cinturato p7

I got rid of these last week (original 1st mount), they quickly cause wheels spin (after only 25-3000 km / 15-18000 miles).

I also had them on my former Superb Mk2. Same conclusion...

I rather have Michelin PS4. Definitely better on my Mk2, Test about to start on my Mk3. At this time, I'm only breaking in the brand new tyres on rear axle. ;) 

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Let us know how you get on

Have you thought about removing your lead soled boots before getting in the car? :biggrin:

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Yes I have been thinking about that recently and decided to change them for flip flops 😅 

Mine came with budget's all round from the supplying dealer (RoadX, worrying there is almost zero information about them online) and a couple of months in I changed them to PS4S and the difference is just staggering, it feels so much better under braking and around corners that I don't know how I managed before.

 

Mine is the 190 TDI so traction is rarely a problem but the overall feeling of the car has been improved massively. 

Can't understand why people get expensive cars and then fit the cheapest nastiest ditchfinder tyres.

 

I've seen plenty of tarted up, lowered etc high end Audis, BMW M series etc. with rubber band profile tyres and many have unheard of name Chinese tyres on! 

 

The ones I laugh at most are the ones with mismatched tyre size/profile and rim sizes where the rim edge is proud of the tyre wall. Inevitable alloy kerbing usually noticable.  Wallies

On 10/04/2021 at 16:23, Bap33 said:

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I rather have Michelin PS4. Definitely better on my Mk2, Test about to start on my Mk3. At this time, I'm only breaking in the brand new tyres on rear axle. ;) 

 

On 10/04/2021 at 17:31, Mannysingh said:

Let us know how you get on

The new rear PS4 breaking in is now over I think. They have 200 km on the clock now. (Note: the front PS4 have ~17000 km on the clock. They were rear tyres until then).

Pros:

Though I did drive gently overt these 200 km, the difference is really noticeable. No side drift in tight roundabout on wet / greasy roads. The grip is excellent. 

The feedback information in the steering wheel are much better. Most probably due to stiffer side walls. Now I can "read" the road state thru the steering wheel.  The front axle has become sharper. No more fuzzy feelings, as I could get sometimes with P7.

Cons?

This being said, I have to say the comfort may be a little be downgraded. But I could not swear it absolutely since I directly swapped from 215/55/17 winter tyres (with soft side walls) to this 235/40/19 PS4.

Additionally, they seem to be a little bit noisier. This may be due to a saw tooth wear that could have started on the front tyres (formerly rear tyres). But this is very subtil. I need to take a closer look. If there is saw tooth wear indeed, I'll swap FL and FR tyres to solve this. It should take then ~500 km to get rid of it and decrease the rolling noise.

Wait and see... ;) 

 

 

My MY 2016 190 diesel estate had exactly the same issue on P7s (L&K on 235/45 18), but a switch to Hankooks up front mainly fixed it. 

 

My current Sportline is on All Season Michelin’s, 245/45 18 - tyre is just proud of the rim to give some protection. Mine is on genuine “platinum” Zenith 18” instead of the factory 19s with 235/40.

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