Do you know any brand of springs that go down 1.5-2 CMS like the sportline oem?

No idea, but I am interested if  anyone finds out. A 3 or 4 cm drop is too much and probably too stiff for this car.

Is the eibach prokit not 30-35mm?  On standard height of course so 15-20mm on sportline.

Eibach sport springs are 50mm often so 35mm drop on sportline height. 

H&R 40mm on stock?

 

Just seen you are talking cm's and not inches.  if wanting sportline height from stock then you need sportline springs probably.  Or full coilovers with big adjustment range.

Edited 16 September, 20214 yr by MarkyG82

@Gabrielem @Txmax

i have ordered Eibach Pro, but from the heavier car versions,
on rear axle that is tested - 2.0 AWD springs give perfect height on 2.0 FWD car
on front axle experiment isn't complete yet

 

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/478335-does-the-sportline-have-stiffer-suspension/?do=findComment&comment=5573227

 

 

3 hours ago, MartiniB said:

@Gabrielem @Txmax

He pedido Eibach Pro, pero de las versiones de automóvil más pesadas,
en el eje trasero que se prueba: los resortes 2.0 AWD brindan una altura perfecta en el automóvil 2.0 FWD
en el eje delantero El experimento aún no está completo

 

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/478335-does-the-sportline-have-stiffer-suspension/?do=findComment&comment=5573227

 

 

I have the 190 hp TDI 4x4 ...😅

This is my 220 lowered on Eibach Prokit (FWD sedan version).

Mine dropped 20mm as I have DCC.

 

9 hours ago, JR RS said:

This is my 220 lowered on Eibach Prokit (FWD sedan version).

Mine dropped 20mm as I have DCC.

 

Too low for me...

30 minutes ago, Gabrielem said:

Too low for me...

 

Fair enough, but earlier u asked for springs "that go down 1.5-2 CMS".....

 

The Eibach Prokit drops the car 2cms.

Also, my car as Rieger side skirts and front splitter, making it look even more lower.

Edited 17 September, 20214 yr by JR RS

On 15/09/2021 at 01:28, JR RS said:

i don't mean to spoil the Bilstein party, but from a dyno test done by DSC Sport, they found the Bilsteins Damptronics are only able to control the rebound, while the factory DCC shocks are able to control both compression and rebound with their valving.

The test was done on the Bilstein Damptronic B16's (part number 49-255874).

 

This means the Bilstein Damptronics are a less capable setup when looking at compression adjustment, but still happen to have slightly greater rebound range.

Basically the only benefits to the Damptronics are adjustable spring perches to change ride height and stiffer springs.

They are not beneficial when looking at the "active" functionalities of the shock. This is due to the valve used in this specific shock, however in other Bilstein kits tested, like the Porsche Kit, the valve is different and was able to control both rebound and compression.

 

Not sure comparing a Golf R’s shocks with the Bilstein damptronics and equating that to a comparison with standard Superb shocks is necessarily a fair  comparison ?
The R is surely fitted with higher performance shocks in the first place.

My impression is certainly that compared with my earlier 65 reg Octavia Scout (“190”/tdi/dsg) my present Superb SEL/Exec 190/tdi/dsg/4x4 estate feels a fairy bit softer & wallowy over road undulations and even bounces off the bump stops on larger “sleeping policemen

 

 

Anyone got any info on the springs & shocks fitted to the Scout version of the Superb estate which of course. never made it to the U.K.  

I’d much like to raise my Superb 4x4 estate a little higher to improve ground clearance for unmetalled roads & tracks. 

4 hours ago, MikeM46 said:

Not sure comparing a Golf R’s shocks with the Bilstein damptronics and equating that to a comparison with standard Superb shocks is necessarily a fair  comparison ?
The R is surely fitted with higher performance shocks in the first place.

 

It's totally fair.

The comparison is between factory DCC vs Bilstein Damptronics.

The Golf R uses the same DCC shocks as the Superb, if fitted.

The mapping (parameters) will vary on the Golf R to b more performance orientated, compared to the Superb, but it's essentially the same.

The springs paired to the DCC shocks on a Golf will also b more performance orientated compared to the springs paired to the DCC shocks on the Superb - but this test does not include the springs.

It's purely on the shocks.

On 17/9/2021 at 10:26, JR RS said:

 

Bastante justo, pero antes pediste resortes " que bajen 1.5-2 CMS " .....

 

El Eibach Prokit deja caer el coche 2cms.

Además, mi coche tiene faldones laterales como Rieger y divisor delantero, lo que hace que parezca aún más bajo.

I'm not entirely sure that only 2 CMS will go down in case of installing Eibach pro kit and Koni SA or B12.  I would like to lower and toughen the suspension without it becoming a board.

On 19/9/2021 at 1:25, MikeM46 said:

Cualquiera obtuvo información sobre los resortes y amortiguadores instalados en la versión Scout del Superb Estate, que por supuesto. nunca llegué al Reino Unido  

Me gustaría mucho elevar un poco más mi finca Superb 4x4 para mejorar la distancia al suelo en caminos y pistas sin metal. 

I would love to be able to exchange my PPD springs for yours.

On 15/09/2021 at 01:28, JR RS said:

i don't mean to spoil the Bilstein party, but from a dyno test done by DSC Sport, they found the Bilsteins Damptronics are only able to control the rebound, while the factory DCC shocks are able to control both compression and rebound with their valving.

The test was done on the Bilstein Damptronic B16's (part number 49-255874).

 

This means the Bilstein Damptronics are a less capable setup when looking at compression adjustment, but still happen to have slightly greater rebound range.

Basically the only benefits to the Damptronics are adjustable spring perches to change ride height and stiffer springs.

They are not beneficial when looking at the "active" functionalities of the shock. This is due to the valve used in this specific shock, however in other Bilstein kits tested, like the Porsche Kit, the valve is different and was able to control both rebound and compression.

 

I have installed the Bilstein b4. There are no errors in in the damping on Obd 11. However there is no difference between the modes and it’s basically hard. I even pulled out the fuse for the electronic damping and the damping remained the same. I  called Bilstein UK who told me that if there are no errors I would have to take the damper off the car and send it to them for testing….they couldn’t tell otherwise. Highly impractical. They basically couldn't care less if there were no errors. I’m starting to feel like I’ve been scammed as I have no active suspension now. Are they just pedalling non active suspension as active?

10 minutes ago, Ttr said:

I have installed the Bilstein b4. There are no errors in in the damping on Obd 11. However there is no difference between the modes and it’s basically hard. I even pulled out the fuse for the electronic damping and the damping remained the same. I  called Bilstein UK who told me that if there are no errors I would have to take the damper off the car and send it to them for testing….they couldn’t tell otherwise. Highly impractical. They basically couldn't care less if there were no errors. I’m starting to feel like I’ve been scammed as I have no active suspension now. Are they just pedalling non active suspension as active?

 

Bugger, sorry to hear that.

 

That pretty **** poor for them to say that the only way to b sure is to remove the shocks and send it to them to test!!

 

Either the Bilstein's valve electrics r not understanding the car's DCC signals....

Or

......the Bilstein's valve electrics r just a gimmick.

 

There is a massive effect (not placebo) between Comfort and Sport modes with the DCC shocks, even with lowered springs.

I'd expect the same with the Bilstein Damptronics - it's the whole reason why u buy the more expensive Damptronics version so u can still retain that comfort control.

 

28 minutes ago, Ttr said:

 I  called Bilstein UK who told me that if there are no errors I would have to take the damper off the car and send it to them for testing….they couldn’t tell otherwise. Highly impractical.

 

What else do you consider that they could or should do?

2 hours ago, J.R. said:

 

What else do you consider that they could or should do?

Ask me to take the car to them and they could test drive it and see it is obviously not working. 

Agreed, have you proposed that to them?

36 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Agreed, have you proposed that to them?

The guy at Bilstein was very clear. He said he'd been doing it for years. If there were no errors appearing I would have to take the dampers off the car and send them in to be tested. He said that was the "only way" they could be tested. I guess I would warn people that they are very much on their own buying these dampers as Bilstein practically speaking don't want to know. I am wondering whether there is a plug and play issue with these dampers and it needs new software or what. It's all very frustrating.

On 19/09/2021 at 00:25, MikeM46 said:

Anyone got any info on the springs & shocks fitted to the Scout version of the Superb estate which of course. never made it to the U.K.  

I’d much like to raise my Superb 4x4 estate a little higher to improve ground clearance for unmetalled roads & tracks. 

 

Octavia MK2 Scout

 

(1)	1K0511115CR	coil spring 1 paint mark 2 paint marks	red green Model data: PR-1JB+0YJ
(1)	1K0511115CS	coil spring 1 paint mark 3 paint marks	red green Model data: PR-1JB+0YK
(1)	1K0511115CT	coil spring 1 paint mark 1 paint mark	rear red brown Model data: PR-1JB+0YL

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2006/drive_standart/419/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511012/part_id/2561497/lang/e

 

Octavia MK3 Scout

 

1	5Q0511115AL	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YC
(1)	5Q0511115AM	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB,0YD
(1)	5Q0511115AN	coil spring	Model data: PR-1JB+0YE

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2013/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511010/part_id/2563429/lang/e

 

1K0511115CR is the same as 5Q0511115AL (Wire Diameter 12.5mm, Length 378-380mm, Outer Diameter 114-115mm, Weight 2.4-2.45kg)

1K0511115CS is the same as 5Q0511115AM (Wire Diameter 12.75mm, Length 382-383mm, Outer Diameter 117mm, Weight 2.6kg)

1K0511115CT is the same as 5Q0511115AN (Wire Diameter 13mm, Length 382-383mm, Outer Diameter 117-118mm, Weight 2.75-2.8kg)

 

Standard Springs for Superb MK3 estate 2.0TDI 4x4 (according to Kilen/Lesjofors)

Front Springs 5Q0411105GN

Rear Springs 3Q0511115M

https://web.tecalliance.net/kilen/en/parts/cars/assigned?assemblyGroupId=100113&targetId=115169&typeNumber=115169&targetCountry=AT&groups=188&brands=176&page=0#@brc/brands:Car;targetType:cars/assem:SKODA%20SUPERB%20III%20Estate%20(3V5)%202.0%20TDI%204x4;targetType:cars;targetId:115169;typeNumber:115169;targetCountry:AT/lnkparts:Coil%20Springs;targetType:cars;assemblyGroupId:100113;targetId:115169;typeNumber:115169;targetCountry:AT;groups:188;brands:176;page:0

 

1K0511115CT

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0511115ct?search=OEN+1K0511115CT&supplier[0]=253&supplier[1]=16&supplier[2]=85&supplier[3]=112&supplier[4]=246&supplier[5]=253&supplier[6]=16&supplier[7]=85&supplier[8]=112&supplier[9]=246

 

Edited 20 September, 20214 yr by Carlston

Thanks for going to so much trouble, but how do the Octavia estate Scout parts relate to the Superb estate Scout version which was never manufactured for the U.K. market?

Edited 20 September, 20214 yr by MikeM46
Typo

54 minutes ago, MikeM46 said:

Thanks for going to so much trouble, but how do the Octavia estate Scout parts relate to the Superb estate Scout version which was never manufactured for the U.K. market?

 

They are often interchangeable.

 

1K0511115CS has the same specification as 5Q0511115AM even though they are from different generations of cars as you can see from the Kilen 65073 and Lesjofors 4295087 springs

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0511115cs?search=OEN+1K0511115CS&supplier[0]=253&supplier[1]=246

 

1K0511115CR, 1K0511115CS, 1K0511115CT are used on many Skodas including Octavia MK2, Superb MK2 and Yeti.

Search results for Part number: '1K0511115CR'

Catalog	Model code	Model Name	Years
Skoda	OCT	Octavia	2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Skoda	OCT	Octavia	2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	SUP	Superb	2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	SUP	Superb	2014 2015 2016
Skoda	YET	Yeti	2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	YET	Yeti	2014 2015 2016

 

http://www.oemepc.com/tvn_result/search/tvn/1K0511115CR

Search results for Part number: '1K0511115CS'

Catalog	Model code	Model Name	Years
Skoda	OCT	Octavia	2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Skoda	OCT	Octavia	2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	SUP	Superb	2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	SUP	Superb	2014 2015 2016
Skoda	YET	Yeti	2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	YET	Yeti	2014 2015 2016

 

http://www.oemepc.com/tvn_result/search/tvn/1K0511115CS

Search results for Part number: '1K0511115CT'

Catalog	Model code	Model Name	Years
Skoda	OCT	Octavia	2004 2005 2006 2007 2008
Skoda	OCT	Octavia	2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	SUP	Superb	2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	SUP	Superb	2014 2015 2016
Skoda	YET	Yeti	2010 2011 2012 2013
Skoda	YET	Yeti	2014 2015 2016

 

http://www.oemepc.com/tvn_result/search/tvn/1K0511115CT

 

Edited 20 September, 20214 yr by Carlston

15 hours ago, Ttr said:

I have installed the Bilstein b4. 

 

i just had a closer look on the Bilstein B4 - these r NOT damptronic shocks, hence why ur feeling no difference when u switch modes!!
the B4 r standard OEM replacement shocks.

"Bilstein B4 - These are classed as a replacement damper. A few B4 variations exist depending on the vehicle application but these are all intended to replace the standard shocks fitted when the car was new."

u can read about the different types here.

 

if u had DCC shocks, then u should've got the B16 DampTronic version.

if u had standard shocks, then the B4 is the right replacement.

5 hours ago, JR RS said:

 

i just had a closer look on the Bilstein B4 - these r NOT damptronic shocks, hence why ur feeling no difference when u switch modes!!
the B4 r standard OEM replacement shocks.

"Bilstein B4 - These are classed as a replacement damper. A few B4 variations exist depending on the vehicle application but these are all intended to replace the standard shocks fitted when the car was new."

u can read about the different types here.

 

if u had DCC shocks, then u should've got the B16 DampTronic version.

if u had standard shocks, then the B4 is the right replacement.

Thanks for looking. The shocks I bought are b4 damptronic shocks. They are the like for like replacement shocks for DCC suspension whereas the b16 are much firmer. See photo

1 hour ago, Ttr said:

Thanks for looking. The shocks I bought are b4 damptronic shocks. They are the like for like replacement shocks for DCC suspension whereas the b16 are much firmer. See photo

 

ah, that's good.

i didn't realise they had damptronic versions of the B4.

i'll just go sit in the corner now.

 

fingers crossed ur shocks get sorted.

On 20/9/2021 at 19:12, Carlston said:

 

Octavia MK2 Scout

 

(1)	1K0511115CR	muelle helicoidal 1 marca de pintura 2 marcas de pintura	rojo verde Datos del modelo: PR-1JB + 0YJ
(1)	1K0511115CS	muelle helicoidal 1 marca de pintura 3 marcas de pintura	rojo verde Datos del modelo: PR-1JB + 0YK
(1)	1K0511115CT	muelle helicoidal 1 marca de pintura 1 marca de pintura	trasero rojo marrón Datos del modelo: PR-1JB + 0YL

 

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2006/drive_standart/419/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511012/part_id/2561497/lang/e

 

Octavia MK3 Scout

 

1	5Q0511115AL	muelle helicoidal	Estos modelos: PR-1JB + 0YC
(1)	5Q0511115AM	muelle helicoidal	Estos modelos: PR-1JB, 0YD
(1)	5Q0511115AN	muelle helicoidal	Estos modelos: PR-1JB + 0YE

http://www.oemepc.com/skoda/part_single/catalog/sk/markt/CZ/modell/OCT/year/2013/drive_standart/753/hg_ug/511/subcategory/511010/part_id/2563429/lang/e

 

1K0511115CR es igual que 5Q0511115AL (diámetro del cable 12,5 mm, longitud 378-380 mm, diámetro exterior 114-115 mm, peso 2,4-2,45 kg)

1K0511115CS es el mismo que 5Q0511115AM (diámetro del cable 12,75 mm, longitud 382-383 mm, diámetro exterior 117 mm, peso 2,6 kg)

1K0511115CT es lo mismo que 5Q0511115AN (diámetro del cable 13 mm, longitud 382-383 mm, diámetro exterior 117-118 mm, peso 2,75-2,8 kg)

 

Resortes estándar para Superb MK3 estate 2.0TDI 4x4 (según Kilen / Lesjofors)

Resortes delanteros 5Q0411105GN

Resortes traseros 3Q0511115M

https://web.tecalliance.net/kilen/en/parts/cars/assigned?assemblyGroupId=100113&targetId=115169&typeNumber=115169&targetCountry=AT&groups=188&brands=176&page=0#@brc/brands:Stargetasseypem % 20SUPERB% 20III% 20Estate% 20 (3V5)% 202.0% 20TDI% 204x4; targetType: cars; targetId: 115169; typeNumber: 115169; targetCountry: AT / lnkparts: Coil% 20Springs; targetType: cars; assemblyGroupId: 100113; targetId: 115169; typeNumber: 115169; targetCountry: AT; grupos: 188; marcas: 176; página: 0

 

1K0511115CT

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/car-parts/oem/1k0511115ct?search=OEN+1K0511115CT&supplier[0]=253&supplier[1]=16&supplier[2]=85&supplier[3]=112&supplier[4]=246&supplier[ [5] = 253 & proveedor [6] = 16 & proveedor [7] = 85 & proveedor [8] = 112 & proveedor [9] = 246

 

Do you know sportline springs that are lower than the standard ones? That they are not Eibach because in the end they go down too much ...