Well looking at the video I can say that now I'm impressed with these engines even more 

22 hours ago, R_Blue said:

Skoda engine is on the hook and it's been inspected.

 Does this "tovarich" says good this for our engine or not?

Did he said "za zdarovye" in the end?

 

On 25/08/2021 at 23:01, R_Blue said:

I've found this video

 

I'm interested what'd he say about it.

 

On 26/08/2021 at 06:17, Thefeliciahacker said:

In my mind skoda was that company that should have been left free to innovate and develop given a healthy budget

 

Yes, but it didn't work like that. Socialistic economy was planned for 5 years and when there was plan to industrialize Slovakia, there was no money left to invest into passenger cars (Skoda 720 - you have "new" 10 years old factory and tools to build 1000MB, what else do you want?) - other plans to develop new car (740) with Trabant and Wartburg failed after years of development.. So all those great engineers did what they could to keep 1000MB platform living until late 80's (atleast they managed some improvements instead of making the same car for decades). Favorit project was only greenlit when government realised, that current cars would be too obsolete to be sold in western markets, which would mean losing one of few sources of foreign currency.

23 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

Does this "tovarich" says good this for our engine or not?

Did he said "za zdarovye" in the end?

 

13 hours ago, Papez said:

I'm interested what'd he say about it.

 

He starts with the general engine design is ancient. 50s technology. But generally he is praising the build quality. Major drawbacks from what I've understood are: timing chain without tension, oil filter mount design can mix dirty and clean oil. I think he has some negative comment about engine head, here and there.

He is comparing the engine with Moskvitch and Zhiguli engines and this engine has better quality. I think somewhere he says, if this was a Moskvitch, cracked parts, slipped bolt threads would have happened when disassembling.

He is telling about how the oil pump pressure is regulated. He goes into very detail.

 

So closing words, this "comrade" says:

The engine is so good that, it's discontinuation is not fair.

Edited 27 August, 20214 yr by R_Blue
typo

25 minutes ago, R_Blue said:

He is telling about how the oil pump pressure is regulated.

Pretty much a ball type recirculation type that dumps into the oil sump but I don't agree with much of what he says. 

The timing chain issue I do agree timing is not precise but I think the oil thingy is better in newer engines 

Edited 27 August, 20214 yr by Thefeliciahacker

On 26/08/2021 at 07:17, Thefeliciahacker said:

In my mind skoda was that company that should have been left free to innovate and develop given a healthy budget because you could see their potential they could easily compete with western cars if they had the budget

I totally agree with you here. Even before the Favorit. Estelle was something to behold. I didn't know how successful the Skoda cars were.

This is from wikipedia:

"The 1.3 Skoda Estelle was an unlikely hero of the Rallying world in the '70s and '80s. The Škoda Motorsport works team won their class for 17 years running on the RAC Rally, and also claimed class wins on many other world and European championship rallies. Many of the team's drivers were selected from among the company's staff, although foreign professionals did drive for Škoda as well, most notably Norwegian driver John Haugland. "

 

I think the most important part here is, in the past there was more options to choose from. Different brands, different models and more importantly, wider price band. Every brand had its own soul, its own characteristics. Nowadays all cars look the same. Even the cars which had a linage from the past are not loyal to their roots. Look at the current VW polos for example. The are just huge.

 

On 26/08/2021 at 20:17, Thefeliciahacker said:

Well looking at the video I can say that now I'm impressed with these engines even more

 

I felt just the same as you after watching video. Simple, but good quality. Built to withstand to the test of the time.

 

Edited 27 August, 20214 yr by R_Blue

12 hours ago, R_Blue said:

 

Major drawbacks from what I've understood are: timing chain without tension, oil filter mount design can mix dirty and clean oil. I think he has some negative comment about engine head, here and there.

 

We the Felicians have the same problems?

4 hours ago, D.FYLAKTOS said:

We the Felicians have the same problems?

I've found the answer in the comments below that video.

 

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Сам на таком езжу,1.4 AME Fabia 1, двигать с налетом вулканической пыли от создания мира)) Плавающая гильза была проблема с антифризом , в остальном все ремонтируется и меняется , вместо толкателей гидрики , карбюратор заменили на инжектор, масло фильтр и система масло очистки тоже изменена , но не значительно. К поддону нет прокладки , да и много чего чехи сделали для модернизации его .В 2004 году он ещё продавался. к качеству и надежности претензий нет

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I myself drive this, 1.4 AME Fabia 1, move with a touch of volcanic dust from the creation of the world)) The floating sleeve was a problem with antifreeze, otherwise everything is being repaired and changed, instead of hydraulic pushers, the carburetor was replaced with an injector, an oil filter and an oil cleaning system too changed, but not significantly. There is no gasket to the pallet, and the Czechs did a lot to modernize it. In 2004, it was still on sale. there are no complaints about the quality and reliability

If this information is right; this commenter says, oil cleaning system change was done with the Fabia 1.4 engine. (Final version of our engine)

 

I also know that, user fault might cause larger amounts of unfiltered oil pass. There is a safety valve inside of the oil filter. If you don't change your oil filter regularly, eventually it will clog. When the oil pressure exceeds safety valve pressure level, it opens and lets all unfiltered oil circulate into the engine.

 

These were negative highlights in the video. These are small downsides of the older design. Don't get too attached to these problems.

Other than that, lots of praises about build quality.

 

His final word was:

The engine is so good that, it's discontinuation is not fair. 👍

4 hours ago, R_Blue said:

 

I also know that, user fault might cause larger amounts of unfiltered oil pass. There is a safety valve inside of the oil filter. If you don't change your oil filter regularly, eventually it will clog. When the oil pressure exceeds safety valve pressure level, it opens and lets all unfiltered oil circulate into the engine.

 

 

That is common to many engines, its usually a valve within the filter so its probably more true to say common to many filters.

 

It is better to have unfiltered oil circulating than oil starvation, the problem really is with a good unblocked filter if the oil pressure relief valve is releasing at too high a pressure or has been modified.

On 27/08/2021 at 21:38, R_Blue said:

timing chain without tension

 

Funny thing, this was planned to be one of the first upgrades for 1968 model 1000MB, there were even engines in production with modified chain cover - but it was withdrawn later. It is possible that it was because of politics again - polymer used for chain slider was made in West Germany and relations with western countries were a bit more relaxed before August 1968.

 

On 27/08/2021 at 21:38, R_Blue said:

oil filter mount design can mix dirty and clean oil.

 

This looks like relic from 1000MB, where oil filter wasn't full flow, this was addressed by modifications in Estelle to increase oil change interval.

Ahhh politics again 

 

@Papez you are very knowledgeable about cars and their history too. I enjoy reading your posts. It seems, the engineers who built these cars had to overcome a lot more challenges than just the technical issues. Learning these facts, makes you look to your car with more respect.

 

I don't know this was discussed before but I read from multiple sources about a dispute about Favorit sedan prototype that postponed all project. There are pictures of that sedan too. Do you know who wanted a sedan and who hated that idea and why?

@R_Blue - the sedan was considered for production from the start, as Favorit was supposed to replace all Škoda models that were in production. Bertone was tasked with design of hatchback, sedan, estate and coupé, Škoda later derived pickup and extended panel Van. However, developing new car from scratch was too demanding and there weren't money left for another variants - Forman went to production only because it was needed for police forces and because it shared most parts with the hatchback. There's also 1991 prototype called Felicia, supposedly to come into production with planned modernization, but that was at time when VW bought Škoda and decided to keep current production and then develop new models instead. 

3 hours ago, Papez said:

@R_Blue - the sedan was considered for production from the start, as Favorit was supposed to replace all Škoda models that were in production. Bertone was tasked with design of hatchback, sedan, estate and coupé, Škoda later derived pickup and extended panel Van. However, developing new car from scratch was too demanding and there weren't money left for another variants - Forman went to production only because it was needed for police forces and because it shared most parts with the hatchback. There's also 1991 prototype called Felicia, supposedly to come into production with planned modernization, but that was at time when VW bought Škoda and decided to keep current production and then develop new models instead. 

Thanks for the answer. I didn't know about '91 Felicia prototype. I've found pictures of it. Looks like a Citroen BX from front. I think they would couple it with the prototype 1.6 100Hp Škoda engine if they had the funds.

33 minutes ago, R_Blue said:

I think they would couple it with the prototype 1.6 100Hp Škoda engine if they had the funds.

 

That engine was meant for whole Favorit (or its successor) line, there is even marketing material for Favorit LS 1600. On the opposite end, there was 115S with 1.1l engine.

That 1.6 engine would have been amazing