11 minutes ago, roottoot said:

I am talking about the issue others have with muppets that could not care less.

This is an issue affecting others i see and at many locations now.  eg Larger Hubs which generally are @ Park & Rides.

 

I have no wish to be getting on an AC charger when travelling places and just pulling in to charge,

i just need to sometimes go on them while waiting for a CCS to be available.

That gives plenty time to check around and see just how long other vehicles have sat on chargers.

I think the problem you are seeing is due to people being lazy, as you said.  People ignorantly think if it fits: it charges.

 

2 hours ago, Luckypants said:

There is no reason why anyone shouldn't use a Type 2 charger if it is appropriate. Especially if by doing so they are not blocking a rapid charger.

I think what rootroot is trying to say, is that people are lazy and many drive around with ICE car mentality, where they'd rock up and find a hose to stick into their car. More importantly not carrying Type 2 cable. So they assume the provided Type 2 connector on rapid chargers is for them.

 

But what they are doing is charging at 7kW and blocking the rapid charger parking space.

 

Last Sunday, at packed Ikea car park, I did indeed see an A3 PHEV trying to find a plug on the Gridserve rapid chargers, and trying to plug CCS into their car, before reluctantly driving off.  (I had window seat at the meatball restaurant)

 

Sorry to say, I think rapid chargers should only have CCS and Chademo. Gridserve method is perfect: a single 22kW Type 2 nearby for legacy support of early Zoe's. DC rapid only chargers that can support simultaneous charging.

^^^ Exactly.

Watching Vloggers with quite a large following going on about a charger being 22kW when they rock up when they are in a car that was not even charging as quick as the speed they got when on a 7kW is the kind of stuff that is not really educating anyone new to using chargers. 

3 hours ago, roottoot said:

If there are 40 odd 7kW, 8 22 kW posts and only 4 CCS and 45 kW tethered AC and a lazy driver just parks their small or big battery car for hours on the AC charger it is easy to see why angry charger police hit the emergency stop button on them.      CHARGER RAGE / full on going mental is a thing.. 

 

 

It takes someone that does not give a damn or is clueless to put their car on the AC for hours on the only 4 chargers that are tethered when they have a huge choice of bays, but that would require some effort to use their own cable. 

 

Part of the issue is the cards not reading and no numbers on the chargers so starting by the app is an issue.  

 

Charge more per KWh for the AC chargers and more again for ultra rapid ones is already a plan adopted by some charge companies.

The AC chargers cost more to install, consume more power per kWh to supply DC compared to the AC which is straight through to the vehicle.

 

Free destination chargers is you want to encourage shoppers ie for the 7 kWh and then progressively more for the high powered DC units.

This will encourage us Zoe owners to sup up the cheaper 22 kWh points rather than occupy a DC one where we are only going to get 45 kWh at best, probably closer to 22 kW when we are charging between 5% and 20% and 80% and 100% when the car throttle the power take up anyways.

 

So far on Channel 5, 'Should i buy an electric car'  half way through.

 

For some reason the gent plugs in the Mustang Mach-E and says i do not know if it is charging, does not ensure it is an comes back to find it is not.

I hope the cost he was being charged was for blocking a charger.

(Later when the car is charging there is a blue flashing light at the charging port.)

 

Then the RAC man says all 4 wheels need lifted to recover the car.

Well not if a Front Wheel Drive one with the rear wheels not doing any regening. 

So the same as a front wheel drive automatic, lift the front on a dolly.   (Unless the e-brake can not be deactivated.)

With a Rear Wheel Drive or AWD just the same than as a RWD or AWD Auto, A Flatbed recovery.

Edited 13 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

1 hour ago, roottoot said:

So far on Channel 5, 'Should i buy an electric car'  half way through.

 

For some reason the gent plugs in the Mustang Mach-E and says i do not know if it is charging, does not ensure it is an comes back to find it is not.

I hope the cost he was being charged was for blocking a charger.

(Later when the car is charging there is a blue flashing light at the charging port.)

 

Then the RAC man says all 4 wheels need lifted to recover the car.

Well not if a Front Wheel Drive one with the rear wheels not doing any regening. 

So the same as a front wheel drive automatic, lift the front on a dolly.   (Unless the e-brake can not be deactivated.)

With a Rear Wheel Drive or AWD just the same than as a RWD or AWD Auto, A Flatbed recovery.

 

Program was a bit lightweight IMO, could have been so much better.

 

 

So another journo deliberately not finding out how to operate an electric car before making a report on it? I didn't watch as I forgot about it.

The truth about electric car drivers is that there really are some Muppets.   So Tesco Chargers might be Free to use and some might park their EV or Hybrid for hours or whole days even though there are only 4 bays and a busy holiday weekend and there are pay to use chargers nearby.   But there are EV drivers that do not want to use the Disabled bay or the Children in car parking because no children or Blue Badge.  So they pull into the EV charging bay. Not actually charge, just go in shopping, come out and drive off. 

Edited 15 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

Same idiots that are not disabled that park in disabled bays then 😕

Yes. 

There are those without a Blue Badge occasionally but more commonly there is a Blue Badge but just not one for the person in the car nipping into the shop.

 

The Green Flash on the Registration Plate seems to have some thinking that means a nice wide quick to park in bay will mean they can park quickly and get in an out the shop as other EV drivers are cruising past seeing the chargers  / bays are occupied. 

 

 

 

I really do not see TESLA owners that use Superchargers that keen to have other vehicles using them in the UK. 

 

Travel @ Easter and meet others that travel at Easter.  It is hardly rocket science!

 

 

 

 

 

it's one of Tesla's major USP. If it's completely open, many wouldn't buy Tesla's.

 

Holiday travel is the biggest reason people would drive cars long distance, so having that spare capacity to handle this is critical. Same as my situation, I can see many Model Y's being used for family trips during school holidays.

 

So they better do more supercharger expanding over next couple of years if they even think about opening up the network.

Same old same old i see daily at various places.

Here there are 5 x 7 kW chargers at my local hub and 4 Rapids and the Leaf drivers plug into the 43kW AC for an hour or 3 or longer.

Here getting 6 kW.

At least the MINI on the 43 kW AC seems to be getting 11 kW.

2 hours ago, roottoot said:

Same old same old i see daily at various places.

Here there are 5 x 7 kW chargers at my local hub and 4 Rapids and the Leaf drivers plug into the 43kW AC for an hour or 3 or longer.

Here getting 6 kW.

At least the MINI on the 43 kW AC seems to be getting 11 kW.

I am looking forward to plugging in the Zoe and getting 22 kwh and smirking at the other users. 

Q43 Zoes are rare and they can get the 43 kWh ac. 

A Mini Electric can charge at 11kWh on a 22 kWh charger.

This one was on just over 2 hours yesterday and was fully charged, another car was at the other 22 kWh post and the usual Nissan Leaf was plugged into the 43 kW charger of which there are 4.

 

The MINI has been there over 24 hours and is not charging. 

Not really an issue unless the hub gets very busy this weekend. 

  If it does someone might try removing the charging cable at the MINI if they want that socket. .   Or maybe the driver might return and move the car.

Edited 29 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

That looks like a 22kW AC charging posts, I don't see any problem using it as parking spot...... I see this as improvement, from mis-use (a couple posts above) to ideal usage.

 

It is on the rapid chargers that people must move on as soon as finished charging. It doesn't help to have rapid chargers built into parking spaces, next to AC chargers in a car park. No different signage or marking. These days multiple rapid chargers should be built like petrol stations forecourt.

 

 

There are only 2 posts, 4 plugs for 22 kW.  Parking all day when the battery is full in under 3 hours is just lack of thought / ignorance really.

There are 6 7kw chargers sitting and seldom used as any regular user at the hub knows and that anyone abandoning their car for all day should maybe think about.

 

 

Edited 29 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

Ah okay, You must have mentioned this and I forgot there are 7kW posts nearby. Agree if going to park for a long period of time, use the slowest charging method.

11kW charging with a Mini Electric does work for those just needing a bit of a top up & there is no Rapids available and better than a 7kW like i have giving just 1.1 kWh per 10 minutes. 

 

I hope that the new MINI Electric will be out by the time i am changing cars, just as long as the battery is bigger.

I am getting past going FFS and just move on. 

But i might still take a picture after i pull into the Disabled bays if they are not all occupied by lots with invisible disabilities, 

 

If driving a Up!MiiCitigo electric you can just park & charge on the stripy lines and not stick out on the road.

(That seems to be where some think the electric car charging spot is anyway.)

 

Edited 30 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

There is no consistency. Some EV charging spots are marked with different colour paint, some are marked with no parking slashes, some only have signs up top.

So it's understandable people thought the slash lines are for charging.

 

But instead of shaming drivers ignorant behaviours, we, as EV drivers, should really push for chargers absolutely everywhere. That means no more dedicated EV bays if they can blanket the whole car park with minimum of each charging post (2 sockets) in the middle of 4 parking spots. Everyone wins.

2 hours ago, roottoot said:

i pull into the Disabled bays if they are not all occupied by lots with invisible disabilities

You mean health issues like arthritis, heart problems, kidney failure?..

Exactly like those.

Like the ones many have that park their car and get their newspaper before heading off for a game of golf, or leave the car and take their dog for a walk 3 miles around the loch from my local Tesco. 

 

While sitting charging i get more time to watch the parking habits of others.

Like those that park in the disabled bay at Tesco maybe go in or maybe not and then head off down town to do their shopping where parking is a problem.

When you know the people and have for years you are a bit more clued up to their habits.

 

Some with a disability & a Blue Badge and a Motability car or their own car will park a bit further away where the car might not get damaged and get a bit of exercise walking to the store and maybe back pushing a trolley.

Edited 30 April, 20224 yr by roottoot

I did 400 miles yesterday, 4 charge sessions, 300 so far today and on my 3 charge session now.  The Muppets taking advantage and abusing getting free charging is unreal.  Cars parked for hours on 50 and 43kW chargers when plenty slow chargers or some are available.   My next charging is going to be at Edinburgh Airport park and ride.    I believe it is not costing to charge and there is an overstay charge.   So good.  I might get on a charger.   Can not find how much it is because zapmap, plug share and charge places Scotland are not updated but I will see in an hour. 

 

Edited 5 May, 20224 yr by roottoot

35 pence a kWh chargers all empty. Could not start with CPS card, credit or debit card or on the app, no answer on CPS number so off to PodPoint 50 kW to pay and charge.  That is Edinburgh the capital cities airport issue.  Just a crap set up.    EDIT.  Mental, max stay 30 minutes then a £30 fine. I could not get the 50 started and am on a 7kw.  £1 minimum spend.  And that will be 3kWh. In or I am overstay.    PS. Account shows 2.6 kWh in 24 minutes and 91 pence.   Later I got on another 50  kW charger and just the 30 minutes.  I will see later how much that has cost as never showed on charger or phone app. 

 

Edited 6 May, 20224 yr by roottoot

We will just have to ignore the use of Oil, Gas, Coal, Wood Chips, Wind, Solar, Nuclear to produce electric to transport and process Petrol & Diesel and to power the industries that produce any type of vehicle.

Also ignore that EV's are mobile batteries that can be storing electric produced at times when it is not in high demand.