On 21/10/2023 at 09:57, Graham Butcher said:

Oh, dear an unhappy Tesla Model Y owner in Scotland, he has a YouTube channel called "Just get a Tesla" as he thought they were great cars, maybe not so great now with a car that died overnight, and he has had a lot of other cars before, and it was very interesting to hear him say that the car manufacturers refusing to honour warranties etc. At the time this video went live on YouTube, it had been days and still not been fixed by Tesla so all is not well in the Tesla camp so just maybe there might be a grain of truth in the other Tesla video with the £17,000 bill for a replacement battery after all? WE shall have to wait and see if there is any further published developments on that front.

 

 

The update video:

 

In short:

Unlucky stone damaged one of the light, causing water damage and short circuit in the light. Car detected LV short circuit and refused to drive.

Tesla service came, previous video delay was said to be due to the storm. Changed the light at owner's cost, and changed the LV battery as precaution under warranty.

 

There was maybe a better road or haulage with Horse & Carts or whatever when that house / estate was built and renovated and maintained over the years and what a pity the access is so poor a Recovery Truck can not access the place now in 2023.

But then there was a weather warning and do not travel. 

 

PS

Lets hope the Fire & Emergency services like a Fire Engine or ambulance never need to get to where the Tesla gets to!

There is when you follow his channel how the lay of the land is, the road and other properties out of his gate.  

Edited 9 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

39 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The update video:

 

In short:

Unlucky stone damaged one of the light, causing water damage and short circuit in the light. Car detected LV short circuit and refused to drive.

Tesla service came, previous video delay was said to be due to the storm. Changed the light at owner's cost, and changed the LV battery as precaution under warranty.

 

Well the headlamp costs are on a par with those for my Superb, but I expect that the problem has possibly arisen due to Tesla's adopting a 48V LV system? Water does not cause that kind of damage to most normal 12V cars, and cars submerged totally will not short out at 12V, but the added 36V might well cause issues, but either way, the car could have been better designed to just shut down that light, leaving the rest of the system running. The cost of the battery (£2,000) reflects the special nature of it, ie. 48V but that could have been achieved with 4 x 12V batteries wired in series, like the buses I used to look after had 4 x 6V in series to provide 24V and I never had any issues with those in the deepest of floods, even with the batteries being under water.

Either TESLA Aberdeen are low on spare parts like Low Voltage batteries or tey have been used up and the Just on time delivery / 24 hour delivery needs looking at Oop North.

 

As to the sum of the parts.

Tesla like the cheap / discounted now or the New for EU very cheap / Reasonably priced ones have expensive parts and the sum of the parts comes cheap.

Import Taxes, long times at sea, transport ships caught in waterways is all adding up. 

 

Truth of the matter with TESLA or other EV,s, or any car, don't treat like Offroaders when they are not even fit to be Soft roaders and in no way are the SUV.s

Not a Sport Utility.  Really not even a Suburban Utility Vehicle if it might rain around Edinburgh.  

20 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well the headlamp costs are on a par with those for my Superb, but I expect that the problem has possibly arisen due to Tesla's adopting a 48V LV system? Water does not cause that kind of damage to most normal 12V cars, and cars submerged totally will not short out at 12V, but the added 36V might well cause issues, but either way, the car could have been better designed to just shut down that light, leaving the rest of the system running. The cost of the battery (£2,000) reflects the special nature of it, ie. 48V but that could have been achieved with 4 x 12V batteries wired in series, like the buses I used to look after had 4 x 6V in series to provide 24V and I never had any issues with those in the deepest of floods, even with the batteries being under water.

It's Li-on battery at ~15 volts. There are no 48v system in any Tesla in history.

 

I agree the car should have been able to isolate the faulty headlight and allow normal operation to continue.

 

Time to look for PPF for those expensive headlights 😭

 

 

Yes, these cars are not off-road vehicles. On my V5 the MY is actually listed as MPV despite only having 5 seats. Tesla-Bjorn actually took his Model X off-road many years ago, it did okay for traction but not okay for clearance.

@wyx087Was it actually his own bought and paid for or on finance Model X ?

I remember watching it and will look it up and watch again.

 

Few Motoring Journalists or Bloggers do use their own Offroaders Offroad, but there are the Odd ones that do.   Offroad that is, not on Offroad Centres coarses.

Either Invalidates Manufacturers Warranties as per T&C,.  & there are even OFFROADERS that have T&C,s on Offroad use.

 

PS

The 4X4 right up my jacksy overtaking in the Slip road and ignoring the main route yesterday was a Grenadier.

Reg number i could read after he passed had that sort of in Writing.  Me and others were driving carefully due to the water on roads and i doubt the tyres he had were any more suited to conditions than mine or others around him.  Getting a Push to Pass message. 

35 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

It's Li-on battery at ~15 volts. There are no 48v system in any Tesla in history.

 

I agree the car should have been able to isolate the faulty headlight and allow normal operation to continue.

 

Time to look for PPF for those expensive headlights 😭

 

 

Yes, these cars are not off-road vehicles. On my V5 the MY is actually listed as MPV despite only having 5 seats. Tesla-Bjorn actually took his Model X off-road many years ago, it did okay for traction but not okay for clearance.

Yeah, maybe I read it somewhere that Telsa are looking at using 48V in order to use smaller gauge wires and thus save on weight for future cars? So if it is a 15V battery, then why was it allegedly costing £2,000?

4 hours ago, Rooted said:

I have just seen how many MFG Charge Hubs there are at filling stations or are under construction, waiting to go online or planned around Edinburgh. 

@ £0.79/kWh  though.  

 

50 kWh = £39.50,   50 x 3.5 miles 175 miles.

 

A diesel getting 30 mpg,  5.2 Gallons / 24 litres, @ 160 pence a litre = £38.40

 

 

My 2.0litre Diesel since last fill up has averaged 8.5miles per Litre and didn't need to stop and recharge it for a fortnight.

 

I think i will wait for the ev's to improve.

23 minutes ago, Rooted said:

@wyx087Was it actually his own bought and paid for or on finance Model X ?

I remember watching it and will look it up and watch again.

I think he got it via Tesla's early referral program, back when they were giving out cars for top referrers.

So he owns the vehicle outright. I seem to remember he said he'll use referral credit to fix the broken trims.

 

 

My Leaf's V2H charger is finally commissioned

You can tell when I plugged it in:  (light green line solar production, blue line home use, purple line export)

8 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yeah, maybe I read it somewhere that Telsa are looking at using 48V in order to use smaller gauge wires and thus save on weight for future cars? So if it is a 15V battery, then why was it allegedly costing £2,000?

The part itself costs around $400 it seems:

 

Part number from the catalogue. I remembered incorrectly, it's a 16v battery.

https://epc.tesla.com/en-GB/catalogs/2020/categories/25783/subcategories/58503/systemGroups/119803?categoryID=25783

 

Retail parts website:

https://recambiopl.com/en/code_product/1598486-00-f/

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-direct-sales-For-Tesla-Model_1600662719323.html

4 hours ago, Rooted said:

I have just seen how many MFG Charge Hubs there are at filling stations or are under construction, waiting to go online or planned around Edinburgh. 

@ £0.79/kWh  though.  

 

50 kWh = £39.50,   50 x 3.5 miles 175 miles.

 

A diesel getting 30 mpg,  5.2 Gallons / 24 litres, @ 160 pence a litre = £38.40

On a trip of 175 miles my diesel would average at worst 50mpg, so thats 3.5 gallons / 16 litres @ £1.50 a litre is £24. If you could charge at home that be roughly £13.50 for 50kWh.

6 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

The part itself costs around $400 it seems:

 

Part number from the catalogue. I remembered incorrectly, it's a 16v battery.

https://epc.tesla.com/en-GB/catalogs/2020/categories/25783/subcategories/58503/systemGroups/119803?categoryID=25783

 

Retail parts website:

https://recambiopl.com/en/code_product/1598486-00-f/

https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-direct-sales-For-Tesla-Model_1600662719323.html

So he is telling porkies when he claimed that it should have cost £2,000, YouTubers eh? 🤥

@Graham Butcher I was talking Vans / commercials, EV vs Diesel and fuelling cost if the driver needs to get rapid charged at 100 kW chargers and on the go.

There are vans that better 30 mpg, but not really if sitting engine running and short drop deliveries.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

En-route rapid chargers rated:

https://www.zap-map.com/news/best-en-route-charging-networks-2023-24

 

 

Not at all surprised Geniepoint and BP so poorly rated.

Slightly surprised CPS is similarly rated as Gridserve. Latter is probably weighed down by the 2 charger sites at old EH stations.

Top 5 would be my go to, if no Tesla superchargers nearby.

Not doing maintenance, not charging or going to charge.  I just go WTF you moron. 

 

Re ZapMap Survey.

I got some Advance ZapMap as part of a pilot with Motability, that was a fiasco as already a ZapMap subscriber and they kept telling me to use another e-Mail address, log in as there was a member.

So that got sorted eventually.

 

I use ZapMap daily, and i report faults, errors on locations, new chargers.

Sometimes a reply comes days or week later asking for more info.    

Their excuse was for over a year that Charge Place Scotland information was not available to them.   Funnily when i tell PlugShare an update is required they come back in a day or 2 and update within a week or so.

 

Never received or spotted any ZapMap Survey and if i had i would have rated the Providers including CPS.

 

..............

Just received a survey today from Motability. 

Edited 10 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

I've tried clicking on the 'Take our survey ->' button ^^^, but it's not working for me 😁😇

 

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@Gaz Surely not my 'Take the survey' from the screen grab off the e-mail i got from Motabiity. 

Nah, that'd be just daft   Only an eejit would do that 

 

(btw, and for the sake of clarity, I was just joshing)

 

 

I thought there might be one in the ZapMap link which i had not opened.

 

Looked through all my ZapMap emails for 2022 & 2023, not a mention of a survey in any of them.

They know the type of customers they get staying.

 

Anyone know how much the tariff is for charging?   I doubt i could afford to stay there though.

 

I see Longleat, 35 chargers,   that would be 70 charger ports.

 Difficult to set up, only charges overnight from 11 pm.  That is on PlugShare.  39 pence/ kWh.

 

Someone says 3.6 kW on a shared charger. 

 

ZapMap says different about charger number but 3 kW and poor Mobile Reception in the car park and had to go to the Plaza.

 

All about the trial and error, but Mr EV might update the experience.

 

 

I know how he felt, and that is even knowing what can happen and does happen.

 

But 'had it pretty much all day',  "7 hours, 8 hours",  30 %.  well all day he did about 65 miles if that. 

Hybrid / Tesla, i take it Editing right at that point.

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 November, 20232 yr by Rooted

This is a list of all the variables that Tesla vehicles use to predict sat-nav's arriving state of charge %: 

– Wind speed & direction
– Elevation/grade
– Traffic speed
– Avg acceleration/deceleration
– Ambient temperature
– Humidity & pressure
– Solar load & cloud cover
– Initial battery percentage
– Initial battery temperature
– Gross combined vehicle weight
– Rolling resistance
– Aerodynamic drag coefficient
– HVAC consumption
– Vehicle-specific energy consumption (bike rack or similar)
– Battery pre-conditioning

source: https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-factors-battery-on-arrival/?fbclid=IwAR3AYwUJiBYFk-ue6WtAoY_Pz4fdMc_yYKxQyhwvyBywau9sDfHGO_1lM8E

 

There is also a software update waiting to be installed. It is now able to predicts wait time at busy locations based on other cars en-route: https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/1645/tesla-update-2023-38-will-predict-supercharger-availability-and-wait-times

 

Truth about EV's is that it is very easy to live with when the software takes care of everything and just works. I found the arrival SoC prediction to be very accurate and can be relied upon. 

 

 

On the other hand, my neighbour's Genesis car software is horrendous. Without a schedule set in the car, the car would start charging immediately when plugged in. But if charger has schedule (my new one does), it wouldn't automatically start charging when charger enables power. It's more backwards than my Nissan Leaf...... 

 

My Leaf's V2H is mostly working brilliantly. When the car is on the driveway, I only use cheap electricity and all excess solar production is captured. Only problem is with currently with unfinished V2H software, I can't set the SoC limits, it is non-configurable at 100%-30%. My original calculation was based on 100%-10%. This means during gloomy days + extra dehumidifier to dry laundry + school runs, this 9 years old first-gen Leaf doesn't have enough battery capacity to last all the way to overnight cheap period. 

 

May be I should start my own thread on my V2H experiences...... Also considering upgrade to a 40 kWh Leaf...... 

Yep, software is one field where Telsa are most certainly leading.

The day will come when it all goes t!ts up though. 

People in the UK are bothered about ID cards & stuff, the cars know it all, as do others. Not just BEV,s though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

This looks like a neat little number. The Silence SO4. A neat little grocery getter/ urban runabout/ commuter car.