I posted the video a month back in this thread with the Tesla getting a petrol engine fitted and being taken in for an oil change.   Pranksters. 

@Rooted I don't recall seeing that, did they actually convert it to an ICE or not?

It looked very much like they did.

 

 

 

Stellantis to join Renault in adding cheap Chinese made electric cars to keep competing with BYD, MG/SAIC and other Chinese brands now selling in Europe.

Very bad news for European car workers and supply chain and millions of jobs.

The paradigm has already been successful with the Dacia Spring which has sold well over 120k cars in Europe, cars made by Dongfeng in China.

European car workers and the supply look like they will suffer hundreds of thousand of job losses in several European countries due to the lack of European car companies to prepare for the change to electric vehicles from Internal Combustion Engined vehicles sadly.   A massive failure which leaves aerospace, pharma as well as film and sport as the increasingly small number of industries the west can say it dominates.

 

 

There are a few Teslas that are ICE powered, it seems. These guys are also working a diesel powered Model 3.

 

 

The Guardian posted an article talking about EV malfunctions.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/29/uk-drivers-make-claims-of-incredibly-scary-malfunctions-with-electric-cars

 

BMW IX claimed runaway by driver. BMW conducted an investigation:

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BMW challenged the claims. In a statement, it said the vehicle was travelling at 70mph, and the driver was pressing the accelerator pedal until 4.5 seconds before the 23mph impact.

 

It also talked about the MG EV incident and Hyundai guy being locked in the car due to 12v drained.

 

 

I'm finally getting V2H charger installed today  

So topped up 12v battery and also took a reading of Leaf SoH (state of health), 79% at 9 years old.

The silence is deafening on the gentleman that was 'Kidnapped' by the MG EV that held 30 mph until slowing to 15 mph for a roundabout then having to crash into the back of a police van stop stop the MG but with no visible front damage to the MG.  Maybe there was to the police vans rear. 

 

As to the £17,000 replacement battery for the Tesla, maybe solicitors are dealing with that one. 

15 minutes ago, Rooted said:

As to the £17,000 replacement battery for the Tesla, maybe solicitors are dealing with that one. 

This video shows how batteries could sustain water damage: bad seal.

But the car and battery is a 9 (?) years old Model S

 

A d!ck head near me must have decided not to take their Tesla out when the roads were wet so just parked it in the charging bay for many hours plugged in and no longer charging.

Others seem to be getting around perfectly well. 

50 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

This video shows how batteries could sustain water damage: bad seal.

But the car and battery is a 9 (?) years old Model S

 

"Problem is water as always"..............

 

After having seen how the battery case integrity is tested (internal low pressure test) and how the "umbrella" vent seals work - letting air in from outside (or water if submerged) when internal pressure less than outside. Also the cack in them from a vehicle that has never been submerged, cack from the mud and moisture built up; does anyone still maintain their view that these vehicles should be capable of wading and if water gets in then there was a fault with that vehicle?

 

Thanks for posting the video.

 

@Rooted Removal and inspection of the "umbrella" vents on the failed battery costing £17K to replace will show instantly and definitively that the casing had been submerged, I suspect you wont hear any more from the hapless self publicist.

Be that as it may, it still makes EV's less useful than an ICE as the battery would be below water well before water would be able to enter a combustion engine.

 

OK, so you do not need an engine, the H20 never went in the Air Intake and the engines not gubbed.

 

Too many idiots never think of the dirty water or sea / salt water and alternator, starter and what pushing through that water can and does do to some.

Or the gearboxes or diffs. 

 

The EV,s built for Offroading or use in adverse conditions will be built with wading expected. 

 

17 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Be that as it may, it still makes EV's less useful than an ICE as the battery would be below water well before water would be able to enter a combustion engine.

 

Is that your way of retracting your previous incorrect comments?

6 minutes ago, Rooted said:

The EV,s built for Offroading or use in adverse conditions will be built with wading expected. 

 

The Haldex controller sitting near the top of the rear diff on Skodas and other VAG vehicles does a really good job of sucking in ambient moisture and self destructing without the need for wading! It doesn't even get splashed.

US military working on energy resilience using battery storage, solar etc, worth billions. 

 

One can only imagine the reliance on solar and battery in Gaza now to run phones and battery vehicles.

 

When the supplies are cut being self sufficient in energy and a micro-generation and use level.  US military probably have got battery with energy density of around 1 kw per kilo if not even better.  Gaza will be getting less solar every day as the solar arrays are increasingly blown to pieces and the day-night grow darker and colder..... 

When it seems like the apocalypse the truth is electric cars may still be running, ICE not too much.  

 

 

Edited 30 October, 20232 yr by lol-lol

1 minute ago, J.R. said:

Is that your way of retracting your previous incorrect comments?

No, it is still possible to make batteries sealed against water ingress, after all many pieces of electrical equipment are required to work outside exposed to the elements or even submerged permanently.

 

Electric cars and floods: everything you need to know (electrifying.com)

But your comments were not that it is possible but that the Tesla and all other EV's were designed and produced that way  to be capable of functioning submerged and that any water infiltration must be a fault and the responsability of the manufacturer because you had seen a video of an EV driving through floodwater and not (immediately) conking out.

 

I didn't need to see a battery pack disassembled to know that was tosh but it was nice to see the video to see exactly how they designed the pressure drop venting system, it was as I thought it would be.

 

It was also nice to see your poor attempt at saying the words "I was wrong"

Your assumptions are way off the mark, I still say that an EV car should be capable of being used in adverse weather conditions. If we are to make the transition from ICE to EV, then we should be able to use the car in the same kind of manner as we do ICE ones. Ignoring the charging aspect for the moment, we should not be expected to give up using the car because there is some rain about which may form into puddles in some road conditions, which ICE cars take in their stride.

 

Do not make the mistake of thinking I'm saying for a single moment that I would expect to drive either types of cars into what is clearly a flood, but you very often come across large puddles in a dip one side of a road or maybe right across the road, but I would expect a car to be able to cope with a puddle, could be a few inches deep and only be a few feet long. 

 

It would seem that I'm not alone in thinking an EV car should be more than capable of dealing with such events, even Electrifying.Com The Electric Car Experts agree with me and the following picture is taken from their website, which I posted a link to in my previous post today.

 

In answer to the Tesla owner with the £17,000 bill, neither of us know the full story of that, and all anyone here can do is to work with the information we are told. 

 

I, for one, do not like to call anyone a liar when I don't have access to the full facts, so I give the owner the benefit of doubt until I could prove otherwise. On the other hand, however, we have all seen how manufacturers will attempt avoiding claims if they think they can get away with it. All too often they are ultimately forced to do a recall etc after some legal interventions have occurred.

 

Edited 30 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

Them posh mini (the original one not the modern german doppelganger)  owners bought a rubber oversleeve for their distributor  https://www.minispares.com/product/Classic/8G726.aspx

Us misers just converted a marigold glove by snipping the tips of the fingers and thumb. 

  

 

What is a distributor ? say they younguns. 

My Arkana is nice and high as it was original designed for the Russian and Ukrainian conditions for Lada which was a Renault subsidiary so I have 8 inch clearance before water even touches any undertrays or bodywork.  Next storm on its way for Wednesday onward which is called Ciaran but pronounced like Kieran I am told.  

 

The best solution which they actually produced as a spare part after a decade of pretending the problem did not exist was a fibre-board shield that looked a bit like the foam tray from a takeaway, it worked a treat but I don't think even then (77/78) they fitted them to production vehicles, they may have done right at the end.

16 hours ago, J.R. said:

The best solution which they actually produced as a spare part after a decade of pretending the problem did not exist was a fibre-board shield that looked a bit like the foam tray from a takeaway, it worked a treat but I don't think even then (77/78) they fitted them to production vehicles, they may have done right at the end.

My brothers 1972 Mini Clubman estate had the board fitted in production, as did my 1983 Mini 1000 saloon.

9 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

My brothers 1972 Mini Clubman estate had the board fitted in production, as did my 1983 Mini 1000 saloon.

My Clubman Estate did too,

I have a vague recollection we had a plastic board type affair over the distributor and electrics on our Austin 1100 and 1300 too...

My 2023 MINI Cooper S Electric charged to 100% ready for a long trip over the next few days is showing only 76 miles range.

But then it has been running the last few days with AC, Rear and Front screen demisting and heated on and only doing 2 miles each time start to stop.

Hopefully i do get 90 miles between charges &  maybe 100 miles plus available if using less functions and still being comfortable.

As it is i am OK for chargers ever 75 miles on the routes i am going. 

 

 

Since its gone Mini, here is my favourite vid with a Yank and a Scottish person.

 

 

 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Rooted said:

My 2023 MINI Cooper S Electric charged to 100% ready for a long trip over the next few days is showing only 76 miles range.

But then it has been running the last few days with AC, Rear and Front screen demisting and heated on and only doing 2 miles each time start to stop.

Hopefully i do get 90 miles between charges &  maybe 100 miles plus available if using less functions and still being comfortable.

As it is i am OK for chargers ever 75 miles on the routes i am going. 

 

 

Since its gone Mini, here is my favourite vid with a Yank and a Scottish person.

 

 

 

 

 

Wow, that mini is a nice conversion, better hope though that it never causes a fire because everyone will be saying it was caused by an old classic petrol mini. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Edited 31 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher