It actually looks larger than it is in reality.

I found this video interesting, as it explored the issues of charger availability in the US.

It resonated with me, as I the video makers manage to demonstrate the problems with day-to-day living with an EV for people who don't have either loads of free time or their own charger.

 

The United States of America is a big place.   There will be differences in the various states, area, regions.

 

Just as in areas of the UK, or in Europe.  

 

As to New York.  Plenty videos on charging there. Some with totally different outcomes, opinions.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 15 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

That charging experience is from I gather from other videos and other peoples comments pretty much common. There are clearly going to be some variations in this and no two days are going to be the same as chargers that were out of service will be fixed and returned to service and of course the reversal of that is also true.

 

Where there are multiple chargers, depending on the supply from grid etc, I also have seen similar tales of woe where people were not getting the charging speeds that were expecting, that itself can seriously ruin your plans for the day, especially if it was a charging location on your route, clearly this is where locals in a given location have the advantage.

 

There will no doubt be some who will try and claim all kinds of reasons for the poor showing in this video, but the fact of the matter is until they can get charging times down to something approaching the time it takes to fill a fuel tank and also greatly increase the number of chargers available and their availability for use is way more reliable, then EV owners will continue to struggle and so will the adoption of EVs as not everyone has the spare time on their hands to go looking for working chargers and then be prepared to sit in their cars, queuing up for their turn on a charger, most people have other things going on in their lives that make demands on their time, yes there will be some people who are more than happy to do that, but most have families, maybe they are carers and just cannot spare that time, maybe they have places to be, or are meant to be working etc.

 

Hopefully one day things will improve.

 

 

When he talks about the reliability of chargers and deflects it down so many avenues like, software issues, Wi-Fi issues, network issues, internet issues etc rather than mechanical or electrical issues he is just highlighting the disadvantages of EV chargers over a manned service station for ICE vehicles.

Manned / Womanned filling stations are fantastic, like manned / wommanded railway stations and ticket offices.

Times move on.  24 hour no staffed Fuel pumps are nice as well. 

 

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There are many many issues with EV / Electrified vehicles and charging in the UK. 

Luckily there are Smart People identifying these and in cases addressing them. 

 

The Mobile Phone network in the UK and very much in Scotland is an issue with EV chargers and communications.

Even getting reception to call Charge Place Scotland to try to get in touch and get them to start a charger.   Even if you can they say 'old charger and they can not start remotely'.

They often say that. 

 

PS

Power cuts, card reader cuts at Filling stations is a right hassle. 

  They happen, as they do in shops, or today in McDonalds.   

Just wait until a cyber attack takes down systems, including the National Grid.  People will get on their bike, scooter, horse / pony. elephant or maybe ass.  Or walk. 

Edited 15 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

Yep, cyberattacks or a dirty bomb will cause havoc with everything.

 

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The thing with Manned / Womanned filling stations is however that the faulty item is both quickly identified and also repairs processed, unless of course the staff also suffer from the same issues that knocks out chargers 

Edited 15 March, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

Part of the M25 this weekend as well no matter what you drive.  Maybe chaos for some EV drivers for charging..

 

I will lose no sleep over it, just as i do not over the USA and EV charging..

 

What bothers me is Climate Change and why because Scotland has 1/3rd of the UK land mass is Scotland paying more to get to Net Zero and for measures to reduce pollution.

(Not really, i pay very very little in tax to the treasury.)   I am just going on about it like all those Pre Petrol / Diesel members with too much time. 

http://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cj7vz8vjgrno

 

 

That is while the Westminster Government seems to not really give a damn about reducing pollution and try making out it is others than the Conservatives & Unionists with a war on motorists.

High time there was a war on motorists who think 'I am alright Jack with what ever i drive, but not because i am poor, but because i have loads of money and fuel consumption, congestion charges, parking charges make no difference to me'. 

Edited 15 March, 20242 yr by Rooted

2 minutes ago, Rooted said:

Part of the M25 this weekend as well no matter what you drive.  Maybe chaos for some EV drivers for charging..

 

I will lose no sleep over it, just as i do not over the USA and EV charging..

 

What bothers me is Climate Change and why because Scotland has 1/3rd of the UK land mass is Scotland paying more to get to Net Zero and for measures to reduce pollution.

 

That is while the Westminster Government seems to not really give a damn about reducing pollution and try making out it is others than the Conservatives & Unionists with a war on motorists.

High time there was a war on motorists who think 'I am alright Jack with what ever i drive, but not because i am poor, but because i have loads of money and fuel consumption, congestion charges, parking charges make no difference to me'. 

Could not agree more with most of that, these fat cat elites drive around in their hugely overpowered ICE cars spewing out way more pollution than you and I ever do in our smaller diesels. There are plenty of luxury less polluting cars that they could elect to use but wont. 

17 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yep, cyberattacks or a dirty bomb will cause havoc with everything.

 

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The thing with Manned / Womanned filling stations is however that the faulty item is both quickly identified and also repairs processed, unless of course the staff also suffer from the same issues that knocks out chargers 

I like Duvel..............

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-68512156

I am amazed that Oil / Fuel pipelines to refineries and from refineries have not been attacked in the UK in any major way that we have been made aware of. 

 

I see the GPS on an aircraft that Grant Shapps MP was on was disabled for a while.

If it he was affected by that as in the plane / pilot was left thinking which way do i go then Grant will know what guff GPS or Sat Nav can be like.

 

Maybe in his own plane or his TESLA he has never been lost, well other than when filling out Tax Forms and thinking where his plane is registered and maintained. 

47 minutes ago, Rooted said:

I am amazed that Oil / Fuel pipelines to refineries and from refineries have not been attacked in the UK in any major way that we have been made aware of.

 

Physically or cyberattacked?

 

If the former then  why are you amazed? Its not as if other UK infrastructures have come under terrorist attack, cyber attacks for money I could understand but they are going to target those with the least defences and who can privately cave in and pay up.

Future of car mods?

 

 

They have not come under any attack that we are aware of so that were successful. 

Maybe a matter of time until there are Cyber Attacks by terrorists that have no interest in the money just the collapse of the economy in the UK.

The UK is a bit of a war monger and poodle of the USA and very vulnerable to breaks in supplies of anything including communications. 

No point attacking the sewage system as that can be messed up simply by the operators...

10 minutes ago, Rooted said:

They have not come under any attack that we are aware of so that were successful. 

Maybe a matter of time until there are Cyber Attacks by terrorists that have no interest in the money just the collapse of the economy in the UK.

The UK is a bit of a war monger and poodle of the USA and very vulnerable to breaks in supplies of anything including communications. 

 

 

It helps if you can get them to actually vote for it.

Edited 15 March, 20242 yr by @Lee

3 minutes ago, @Lee said:

 

It helps if you can get them to actually vote for it.

You mean as in the B word.

 

7 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

You mean as in the B word.

“brilliantly take the thread off topic and heading for a ban” you mean? 😋

 

let’s not turn this into another thread with too many problems 

It seems as if Euro NCAP have now woken up to the dangers posed by the trend towards touch controls on a central screen, and VW looks to be the first to react and promises to replace more touch controls with actual switches, stalks whatever.

 

Euro NCAP encourages car manufacturers to replace touchscreens with physical buttons | Regit

Edited 16 March, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

 

11 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

One notable point is Lexus/Toyota singled out as lemons, the largest car company in the world so wide of the mark, even after success with the Prius.

 

Edited 16 March, 20242 yr by lol-lol

36 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

One notable point is Lexus/Toyota singled out as lemons, the largest car company in the world so wide of the mark, even after success with the Prius.

 

 

56 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Euro NCAP have now woken up to the dangers posed by the trend towards touch controls on a central screen

EuroKNEECAP in "actually sensible decision" you mean?

Well Off Topic,

but just this week i posted in the banter with @Graham Butcher issues when tech / communications goes down and McDonalds had issues.

 

Today just Sainsbury's & Tesco.    Orders, payments.     But as mentioned in the news cash could be used.     That is when tills can still operate obviously.

 

As these Major Corporations & the likes of Banks have failings it is just a taster for the future when many more systems might go down more often. 

 

If it is ever the Utilities and electricity then it is traffic lights as well as filling stations, payment systems, ATM,s and almost everything that goes down.

 

 

Extremely handy if your needing a charge desperately, electric OK but tech systems subjected to cyber attacks. Be interesting to find out why all of these other systems gone down. Good job we still have some people with cash, but soon we will be cashless if things don't get derailed. ☹️