You mean the SNP wanted the revenue from oil to be beneficial for the Scottish residents, like better healthcare, care in the community for the elderly etc, and what is wrong with that? Nothing in my book, use what ever natural resources you can and take benefit from it to improve the lives of your citizens. 

35 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

So why is the protest group called "Just Stop Oil"?, and why is new exploration treated as a pariah? - existing oil fields WILL become uneconomic so replacement will be needed even if we no longer burn oil or gas.

What are we going to do with the gas and the fossil fuels, just waste it, let it go free into the world to do further untold damage??

1 minute ago, Graham Butcher said:

What are we going to do with the gas and the fossil fuels, just waste it, let it go free into the world to do further untold damage??

 

 

Leave it in the ground until they change their minds?

@wyx087 and there you go again, manipulating what I say to make it fit your narrative and twist things around and take things out of context, what a shame.

3 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

Leave it in the ground until they change their minds?

Can they do that, petrol and diesel for instance is part of crude oil, and we will still need the crude oil and so too is gas a natural part of that process, is it not?

Nothing wrong with spending oil wealth funds in Scotland if there was an oil wealth funds..  But the SNP. No business people among them or advisors.   They mess up project after project.   I was a SNP member.   There are a bunch of incompetents right through the party.  Just the same as the other parties though.    Labour and Liberal Democrats messed up big style.  That debts are being paid still and will for decades.      An island nation needs boats, ferries and good transport links to islands.   Public travel in Scotland is very very expensive. 

Edited 15 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

England is keeping it's oil for the future.    Time to get it out, and get fracking.  What a resource poor country. 

I read this thread from time to time and find the ebb and flow interesting...   as well as the seemingly divergent views and discussion / arguments that circle round quite regularly...

 

Personally I imagine I'll go EV for my usual daily stuff at some point int he future when it suits me and when I change cars (so probably during the early 2030's given how long I tend to keep cars but I can't currently see a point whereby all three vehicles I have will be EV's.

 

Aside from that isn't the one best way of reducing pollution and energy / oil use of production to produce fewer vehicles and actually get people to think longer term and actually stop those that have the means to from changing their vehicles every three years or so???  Mostly that has come about from the current vogue for not actually owning a car and the having PCP's and the like and from the desire these days of many to 'keep up with the Jones's' by having the latest and greatest model from so-and-so manufacturer on their driveway (even if they then have sod all in the fridge...)

There are now pcp deals where you can have the electric model of a car for the same monthly payment as the ice version

Many private owners / drivers do keep cars longer, run used cars. Buy used cars.    It is the businesses and fleets being more than 1/2 of those running cars in the UK that feed the used market.     The government can easily stop the short term ownership and leasing if vehicles.    But then UK dealership work shops are so ****.     It is time for Local Authority run Testing of cars.   It is time for some control over the motor trade cartel of franchised dealerships.   The pre registration of vehicles was supposed to have been put  stop to.    It has definitely not been.    Ex management cars is a con on the UK tax payers.  

2 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Many private owners / drivers do keep cars longer, run used cars. Buy used cars.    It is the businesses and fleets being more than 1/2 of those running cars in the UK that feed the used market.     The government can easily stop the short term ownership and leasing if vehicles.    But then UK dealership work shops are so ****.     It is time for Local Authority run Testing of cars.   It is time for some control over the motor trade cartel of franchised dealerships.   The pre registration of vehicles was supposed to have been put  stop to.    It has definitely not been.    Ex management cars is a con on the UK tax payers.  

 

Pre-registered are around 30% of supposedly "New" car sales

Only selling to yourself is first registrations only.   The next sale is a pre used car even if delivery miles only.  So this will be the requirement to get the 22% BEV first registrations.     The Demonstrator 3,000 mile / 3 months has been a fix for a very long time. 

18 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

There are now pcp deals where you can have the electric model of a car for the same monthly payment as the ice version

And I think the Vauxhall Corsa E is one of the cars on that scheme with 4 year plan instead of the usual 3 year one, still makes the car dearer over the ICE version.

21 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Many private owners / drivers do keep cars longer, run used cars. Buy used cars.    It is the businesses and fleets being more than 1/2 of those running cars in the UK that feed the used market.     The government can easily stop the short term ownership and leasing if vehicles.    But then UK dealership work shops are so ****.     It is time for Local Authority run Testing of cars.   It is time for some control over the motor trade cartel of franchised dealerships.   The pre registration of vehicles was supposed to have been put  stop to.    It has definitely not been.    Ex management cars is a con on the UK tax payers.  

Actually many companies were, and I suspect are still, walking away from buying and supplying company cars. Instead, they are dictating to their staff that they must assume the responsibility of getting themselves a car, which has to be 1) a new car, 2) of a certain type and image, 3) insured for business use, 4) the employee is responsible for all repairs and sourcing a replacement car if needed due to their normal car being in for servicing / repairs 5) the company will in return pay you £XXX a month towards the monthly repayments, and also £XX towards the cost of servicing and tyres etc. 6) cars are not allowed to exceed 3 years in age before being replaced with a new one. Lastly, 7) any business miles you must claim for monthly and if they agree, they will pay you at the rate of XXp per mile.

 

So they are expecting their employees to fund the business fuel for at least a month before you can make a claim, then if approved, wait a further 1 or 2 weeks before getting that expense payment made to you. Also, if you decide to leave their employ or they decide to terminate your employment for what ever reason, the car and its repayments are your responsibility, which can be a millstone around your neck.

 

So this in effect becomes a private sale and yet it isn't because you might like to have a sporty car or maybe an SUV, but the company dictates it has to be a 4 door saloon with space for x passengers, of a certain engine size to preserve the companies image. I think that is less than ideal, as the company is accepting zero liability and if the company goes under, you are exposed to a lot of debt till you can work out a deal on the lease etc. This is the scheme that my old employer had just introduced when I decided to retire and leave them to it.

 

With respect to keeping cars longer than the fashionable 3 years, this is precisely what Geoff buys Cars advocates as the car has already been manufactured and prevents yet another car having to be made, increasing the amount of carbon and pollution in its production and shipping, leaving just its running emissions to be accounted for which will be much lower than having a new car.  

 

'Fleets' 

Military, Emergency Services, Coast Guards,  Police, Fire, NHS, Council / Local Authorities, Roads Departments, HMRC, Government Agencies, AA, RAC, it goes on an on the people other than just Companies, Commercial users purchasing or leasing cars and light commercials. 

 

PS

Hire cars. 

Edited 15 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

Yes, I heard that many of the white van men delivering for the likes of Amazon and many of the courier companies have to purchase their own vans and operate them, many are forced to work long hours in order to earn enough to cover their overheads.

 

I even looked into the possibilities of working in my retirement for a local courier doing the last mile deliveries and decided that I would be possibly working very long hours into the night with virtually no job security for little reward. 

Edited 15 May, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Nothing wrong with spending oil wealth funds in Scotland if there was an oil wealth funds..  But the SNP. No business people among them or advisors.   They mess up project after project.   I was a SNP member.   There are a bunch of incompetents right through the party.  Just the same as the other parties though.    Labour and Liberal Democrats messed up big style.  That debts are being paid still and will for decades.      An island nation needs boats, ferries and good transport links to islands.   Public travel in Scotland is very very expensive. 

I remember there were quite a few SNP supporters on here at one time.

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes, I heard that many of the white van men delivering for the likes of Amazon and many of the courier companies have to purchase their own vans and operate them, many are forced to work long hours in order to earn enough to cover their overheads.

Is that separate from Amazon Flex then??

https://flex.amazon.co.uk/requirements

@Winston_Woof Yes I think it is, if you read the details on the flex system they expect you to already have at least a large car capable of carrying 5 people which must also have business insurance etc.

 

 

@EnterName  I was a member. 

Quite a few supporters of Independence for Scotland.    Not sure there were many on here though.   Or who they might be. 

But if you say so then you might well be right, or maybe wrong.

 

I was wrong over Nicola Sturgeon, & John Swinney.   

  I would never & have never trusted Alec Salmond because he only ever wanted to campaign for Independence and his personal wealth.

 

There is some really really crooked stuff happens in Scotland and the most appalling thing is just how useless the Police are in Scotland.

Drugs Death Capitals and much more that could be sorted in a Small Country with so many Councillors, MP,s,  MSP,s who are selectively blind to their communities and organised crime.

Or crime among their own lot in the parties. 

Edited 15 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

Ha, Scotland is not alone in the crooked stakes either, England can keep you company on that front I think.

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

@EnterName  I was a member. 

Quite a few supporters of Independence for Scotland.    Not sure there were many on here though.   Or who they might be. 

But if you say so then you might well be right, or maybe wrong.

 

I was wrong over Nicola Sturgeon, & John Swinney.   

  I would never & have have trusted Alec Salmond because he only ever wanted to campaign for Independence and his personal wealth.

 

There is some really really crooked stuff happens in Scotland and the most appalling thing is just how useless the Police are in Scotland.

Drugs Death Capitals and much more that could be sorted in a Small Country with so many Councillors, MP,s,  MSP,s who are selectively blind to their communities and organised crime.

Or crime among their own lot in the parties. 

Perhaps there weren't that many.

I recall some of the more active posters on here expressing their support for the SNP in this thread, but then sometimes a few people making noise can seem more than their actual number.

 

I have just been informed that anyone getting a BEV as a company car and having to claim back business miles and not being able to charge at home or needing to make use of a fast charger during the day in order to complete their journey, the new is not good. HMRC only allow reimbursement @ 9p a mile and with fast chargers being upto / around 79P per kwH, they will be £s out of pocket so that there is road block tp the uptake of BEV cars as company cars when the employee is expected to supply the car as per my earlier post, diesel then becomes the defacto standard.

25 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I have just been informed that anyone getting a BEV as a company car and having to claim back business miles and not being able to charge at home or needing to make use of a fast charger during the day in order to complete their journey, the new is not good. HMRC only allow reimbursement @ 9p a mile and with fast chargers being upto / around 79P per kwH, they will be £s out of pocket so that there is road block tp the uptake of BEV cars as company cars when the employee is expected to supply the car as per my earlier post, diesel then becomes the defacto standard.

 

 

 

The company will/should probably have issued a fuel/charging card for whilst at work?

 

Businesses/Employers

Capital allowances: sole traders, partnerships and companies

• From April 2021 electric vehicles are eligible for 100% First-year capital allowances.
  • As they are allocated to the main pool and not separate pools (assuming no private use) there may not be a balancing charge on disposal.
• The 130% Super-deduction available for companies between April 2021 and March 2023 does not apply to electric cars but does apply to commercial vehicles which would be eligible for plant and machinery allowances such as vans, lorries, tractors and taxis.
• Electric vehicle charging points are eligible for 100% allowances. The private use element should not be overlooked here as this may lead to the asset having to be separately pooled for CA purposes.

See also Vehicles (4 wheels): Allowances and Vehicles (2 or 3 wheels): Allowances

Benefits In Kind

• Normal Benefit In Kind rules apply to electric cars and vans provided to employees and the rates of tax depend on the level of CO₂ emissions. For 2023-24 this is 2% of the list price.
• The list price must include the price of the battery.
• The rules are more complex when it comes to charging electric cars as it depends on whether the car is a company car or a private car, how the car is used and who provides the electricity supply. See Car charging benefits tab. 
• The usual rules apply regarding reimbursement of fuel costs, see Employees below and Car charging benefits tab.
• The current Rate per mile for a company-provided electric vehicle is 10p per mile (9p between 1 June 2023 and 1 September 2023).
• Where the employee uses their own car the mileage rate is the same as for a petrol or diesel car i.e. 45p per mile for the first 10,000 miles, then 25p.
• The electric vehicle employee owner-driver can also claim 5p per mile for each passenger they take on the same business journey.

 

 

The 9p you refer to is what the Company have to use as the BIK rate.

Edited 15 May, 20242 yr by Stonekeeper

Shell Recharge cards are common for Business users with PHEV,s or BEV,s.

Shell EV chargers are pretty useless in many locations but i used a card i was given last week at an Ionity charger.