There's a lot of investment going into public charging. The main issue as far as I can make out is getting the necessary grid connections which can cause huge delays, such that there have been occasions when charging stations have had to be opened using power from generators installed on site as the operator was losing so much money waiting for a grid connection.

1 hour ago, PetrolDave said:

BUt one of the reasons given by potential EV buyers for NOT buying an EV is the limited public charging network causing them "range anxiety", some people have even traded in the EV they had bought due to lack of charging infrastructure.

 

Seems we're in a chicken and egg situation - where the public charging network won't be expanded until there is increased demand but there won't be increased demand because of the perception of limited public charging network.

 

Someone needs to break this vicious circle...

Everyone was agog when Rugby services opened in April 2021 with 24 ultra rapid chargers (12 Gridserve and 12 tesla), by 2022 folks were complaining about queues at peak times. Rugby services now has 52 ultra rapid chargers (24 Gridserve and 28 Tesla) with a further 12 Gridserve in the pipeline (replacing the original 12 Tritium chargers that don't integrate to the backend). Build it and they will come clearly born out by experience. Gretna services another good example of this. Exeter services is another.  The area around Larkhall has Fastned and Tesla hubs for all to use handy to the M74. They are everywhere. There is no limited public infrastructure. See this snapshot of Electroverse charging map. Thi is the reason I get tired of the 'no infrastructure' argument

If more Councils around the regions were to see how it is done in Dundee they might get on a bit quicker.  Work more with partners and allow the investment.

The Energy Company getting the planning approval, the Battery Storage Company getting the planning passed, the Substations and Transmission Pylons being approved.

The Councils getting their vehicle fleets over to BEV,s as they get replaced. 

 

 

 

 

http://tiktok.com/@dundeecitycouncil/video/7226756253958016282

Dundee Council Vehicle Charging Hub and Public Charging, Clepington Road.

 

Edited 9 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

This is planned only a stones throw away from the Charging Hub and would no doubt have charging, likely for electric coaches.

 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

All very true, maybe its about time they changed tack then came and up with a system where the chargers were owned and operated by the power networks themselves and each car or a RFID card etc, would allow the chargers to add the charge directly back to the persons home account and gets added to their Lecky bill? Similarly to a credit or debit card where it identifies the user and charges the purchase back to their account?

 

ummm.... my charging away from home largely does go to my electricity account, I just use the one RFID car from Octopus, I get a discount off the price of charging and it just goes to my home energy bill.  That's not the future, it's the present. 

57 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

If more Councils around the regions were to see how it is done in Dundee they might get on a bit quicker.  Work more with partners and allow the investment.

The Energy Company getting the planning approval, the Battery Storage Company getting the planning passed, the Substations and Transmission Pylons being approved.

The Councils getting their vehicle fleets over to BEV,s as they get replaced. 

 

 

 

 

http://tiktok.com/@dundeecitycouncil/video/7226756253958016282

Dundee Council Vehicle Charging Hub and Public Charging, Clepington Road.

 

blooming SNP council doing things that make sense.  Where on earth will it all end?

3 hours ago, Dieselgate said:

There's a lot of investment going into public charging. The main issue as far as I can make out is getting the necessary grid connections which can cause huge delays, such that there have been occasions when charging stations have had to be opened using power from generators installed on site as the operator was losing so much money waiting for a grid connection.

 

yes and the then PM big bonking Boris announced a fund to help break the logjam. Still hasn't paid out a penny

4 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

BUt one of the reasons given by potential EV buyers for NOT buying an EV is the limited public charging network causing them "range anxiety", some people have even traded in the EV they had bought due to lack of charging infrastructure.

 

Seems we're in a chicken and egg situation - where the public charging network won't be expanded until there is increased demand but there won't be increased demand because of the perception of limited public charging network.

 

Someone needs to break this vicious circle...

 

the lack of  infrastructure is perception, nothign more. A lot of the stories out there are just mischief making and stoked by the people who have an interest in being able to keep as many folk as possible dependent on their expensive liquid fuels. 

 

22 minutes ago, domhnall said:

 

ummm.... my charging away from home largely does go to my electricity account, I just use the one RFID car from Octopus, I get a discount off the price of charging and it just goes to my home energy bill.  That's not the future, it's the present. 

Sorry, I meant that if they did what I said, then the bill would be added to your normal Lecky bill at the normal rates as if the car was at home charging with only the 5%VAT, that would then to a large extent negate a lot of the reluctance to go electric by the people who can't charge at home, but they could then enjoy some of the benefits that those (like you) who can and thus enjoy the cheaper motoring. That way there might quite a lot more people switching to electric. 

Edited 9 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

14 minutes ago, domhnall said:

 

the lack of  infrastructure is perception, nothign more. A lot of the stories out there are just mischief making and stoked by the people who have an interest in being able to keep as many folk as possible dependent on their expensive liquid fuels. 

 

Says the man who was unaware of the PFS in your area alone, presumably because your Enyaq only show on its satnav the charging locations being an electric it has no interest in PFS?

2 hours ago, Luckypants said:

Everyone was agog when Rugby services opened in April 2021 with 24 ultra rapid chargers (12 Gridserve and 12 tesla), by 2022 folks were complaining about queues at peak times. Rugby services now has 52 ultra rapid chargers (24 Gridserve and 28 Tesla) with a further 12 Gridserve in the pipeline (replacing the original 12 Tritium chargers that don't integrate to the backend). Build it and they will come clearly born out by experience. Gretna services another good example of this. Exeter services is another.  The area around Larkhall has Fastned and Tesla hubs for all to use handy to the M74. They are everywhere. There is no limited public infrastructure. See this snapshot of Electroverse charging map. Thi is the reason I get tired of the 'no infrastructure' argument

There are still large parts of the country on that map that currently do not enjoy a particularly good coverage like, Norfolk, Suffolk, Essex and Kent, in other words my neck of the woods.

 

Your example with the Rugby hub is a pretty good example of a Hub, 24 in 2021 and in the space of just 2 years it has grown to 52 with a further 12 on the way. A charge site of 6 is nothing like Hub, it cannot even replace / compete with a normal 6 pump PFS which can service many more cars in a 24-hour period.

Edited 9 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

38 minutes ago, domhnall said:

 

yes and the then PM big bonking Boris announced a fund to help break the logjam. Still hasn't paid out a penny

PM Boris was greenwashing just like his other lies, and yet an awful amount of people fell for it hook line and sinker.

@Ootohere now the hub at Dundee is a proper hub, not a local charge spot.

@Graham Butcher  Do you really think that @domhnall does not know where every filling station is in his area?

I am 85 miles away and know everyone. 

 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher  Do you really think that @domhnall does not know where every filling station is in his area?

I am 85 miles away and know everyone. 

 

Well he said he was not aware of the Esso on the right hand side of the bypass, so who knows? I know all the PFS in my area, even though I don't use many of them.

Edited 9 October, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

I missed that posts.

If it is the one near the Hillend Ski Centre and the road to Biggar or Pencuik then many do not unless going that way. 

There is a reason for more to go that way, the new attraction. The Alpine Coaster.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Sorry, I meant that if they did what I said, then the bill would be added to your normal Lecky bill at the normal rates as if the car was at home charging with only the 5%VAT, that would then to a large extent negate a lot of the reluctance to go electric by the people who can't charge at home, but they could then enjoy some of the benefits that those (like you) who can and thus enjoy the cheaper motoring. That way there might quite a lot more people switching to electric. 

Who pays for install and operating cost of those public infrastructure?

 

Nothing is ever going to come for free. You want to use public infrastructure? Pay for it. You want to get it faster? Pay more for it just as you do with liquid fuel. Difference is EV's have the flexibility to charge cheaply at slow rate.

 

Only remote possibility of something like this would be overnight where grid wholesale price are low. So that after adding CPO operating costs, it is somewhat comparable to charging at daytime domestic rates.

 

From grid emission point of view, I think any tax on EV charging should be tied to amount of fossil fuel in the grid at that time. I think it's reasonable to pay more than fuel duty if charging 5-7pm when there's the most fossil fuel in the grid mix.

 

 

Its on the A702, just 500 metres off the bypass.

4 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

 

 

Interesting to see that the coaches being run by Ember are made by Yutong, like the video I posted the other day.

@Graham Butcher   I know it well as my Grandchildren live in Penicuick and i skied at Hillend from the 1970,s.

 

Really best stop looking at maps without understanding locations and junctions.

Dreghorn is an easier filling station for on and off the Bypass. 

 

Maybe visit here sometime.  Plenty EV charging in the area..

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@Ootohere I agree Dregorn is an easier station to get to and is indeed on the map I posted for @domhnall as well, which I found after a search question on the web for filling stations in the Loanhead area. The Esso one I just happened to see on Google maps 😁

16 hours ago, Luckypants said:

 There is no limited public infrastructure.

That's not my experience where I drive in the South and South West, I have yet to see a charging hub on a major route without queues of EVs waiting to charge.

2 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

That's not my experience where I drive in the South and South West, I have yet to see a charging hub on a major route without queues of EVs waiting to charge.

Maybe we have more EV,s down this part of the country than Scotland does after all then?

I fully expect there are more considering the population of Scotland is 5.5 million then visitors and just London is near 9 million and visitors and the Englandshire population is 56 million or what ever.

 

Is the difference as much as 10 times more EV,s in England & how many are there knocking around in the South &Southwest?

 

It is hardly rocket science, or even a matter of statistics, it is what @PetrolDave sees.

@Graham Butcher  just the other week you were saying there were not so many, then that around you or your son there were lots.

 

Strange old world. 

 

PS

All these drivers of vehicles that are not BEV,s looking into see how the Charging Hubs are doing is a good thing.

They can report on them, like they can how many Red Squirrels they see, or Badgers dead or alive. 

The public are so useful for stuff like this. 

 

 

Edited 10 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere