2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

The irony here is that it seems to be mainly people who have their own home and many with enough space to have about 2 or 3 cars off the road and home charge, who are among the biggest complainers about pylons. 

 

I love pylons. I think the French do them better. Prettier.

 

Uk government just approved £2.5B interconnector from Scotland to England going under the sea, que Little Mermaid song.

 

Lines can be buried underground. This is done from Minor Dinorwig, through Snowdonia national parks until it joins the National Grid near the coast.  As a bonus you get several sheppards hut with free heating where the cable cooling is done every kilometer or so. Probably only kicks in a breakfast and tea when Dinorwig goes from tickover to about 2 GWs.

 

Edited 19 November, 20241 yr by lol-lol

@Graham ButcherLast week i listened to a Tory MP on BBC Politics Live supporting constituents and protesters who want Undergrounding of cables even though the cost can be as much as 10 times higher.

He seemed to miss the point about the timeline and his party being the one that signed up to it. 

 

This was not the one i watched, she is just as bad though.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629g37zz4yo

 

 

Local to me the Quarrying company is waiting on a council vote for a 6 year extension of the 5 year agreement to quarry and 12 months to reinstate the land.

The wealth of this area comes from Sand, gravel & aggregates. Jobs / Employment.

& farming, engineering, engineering of farm equipment. 

 

The Solar Farm planning  application they want is getting the NIMBY,s up in arms, as is the battery storage locally, and the BIGGER Pylons running near for the Transmission of Electricity going south.

These protesters * objectors are just ridiculous. 

 

The Quarry edge is 200 yards from my house and the extension will be only 100 yards to the other side.

No big deal as it is so deep and the Millennium Forest money was used to plant trees and relocate public paths.

Also money from the Commonwealth Games shooting being held at Barry Buddon was used for Paths for All.

(Corrupt quite possibly, but that is how things were around here, and might still be. 

Edited 19 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

6 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@Winston_Woof

How often can you go on about the obvious fantastic distances ICE vehicles can on on a tank of fuel.

 

Yes 140 miles with a smaller battery and still a big car. 

But the point is that if that does not suit someone that needs to tow then just do not get an EV. 

 

 

 

 

As often as you can post screen grabs without associated links to the original articles 😛

But the Government wants us to all have EVs regardless of their pitfalls ;o)

@Winston_Woof If any of the titles / subjects interest you then a keyword on the search engine and you can read them.

 

& maybe dry your tears, nobody is making you drive or ride anything,

other than swings and roundabouts of the ups and downs.

 

As to 'The Government', UK, the Governments devolved, the Parliaments, the Politicians. 

Those are who THE PEOPLE with a vote elected in.  You get what you deserve.

 

They certainly do not want us all to have EV,s regardless of anything. 

They want less travelling by personal motorised vehicles.

Less driving.

 

& that is not all of them. 

This Government came in this year and they followed the Party in Government for over a decade.

Edited 19 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

nobody is making you drive or ride anything,

They certainly do not want us all to have EV,s regardless of anything. 

They want less travelling by personal motorised vehicles.

Less driving.

But those of us who do drive, either because of necessity (work, non-existent public transport, etc.) or because we like driving, will have no choice from 2030 onwards when we buy new to buy an EV (I'm ignoring Hydrogen vehicles as the refuelling infrastructure and model choice is so limited).

 

So Government policy IS forcing anyone who drives to switch to an EV in the coming years.

Maybe no choice other than in 6 years to buy the most up to date of the last ICE vehicles and run them. What ever these might be, or some of the millions of other cars still going about. 

Any sort of problem might hit the fan long before then and the Government / Governments who are up sh!t creak might just be happy there is a car industry in the EU or UK,

or no Energy Crisis.. 

 

4 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

But those of us who do drive, either because of necessity (work, non-existent public transport, etc.) or because we like driving, will have no choice from 2030 onwards when we buy new to buy an EV (I'm ignoring Hydrogen vehicles as the refuelling infrastructure and model choice is so limited).

 

So Government policy IS forcing anyone who drives to switch to an EV in the coming years.

In 10 years time (end of 2034, not 2030), you can still buy a brand new vehicle that is re-energised in exact same way as you do now, at petrol station. Probably will have similar amount of range.

 

So government policy is not forcing everyone who drives to change their behaviour in the next 10 years for brand new vehicles, or next 20 years for people who buy used.

 

EV right now isn't for everyone. Who is to say EV in 10 years time won't be? Do you have a crystal ball?

@Ootohere I agree, politicians all lie to us, all the time. As I mentioned earlier, I'm a moderator on a global social media platform which has over 10 million UK users and there is a new power line planned to bring power from Scotland down south to London and the South coast on pylons and the route is within 2 miles of my house and there is some local opposition to them as you can imagine, one of those opposed to it is none other than the owner of the local Škoda service centre I use, and he has a nice large detached house with a drive that could accommodate many vehicles with ease, and the same is true for many others in the local group opposed to the pylons. You don't tend to get too many people who have social housing voicing objections to such plans. The best part of it is that only a limited number of people will be able to see the pylons as they will be located in areas not visible from their houses and the pylons route have been designed to be far enough away and screened for much of the route from housing areas.

 

As you rightly said, underground cables are far more costly and will just shove the price of that power to the user up even more, which would make them all tick like a clock again over the staggering increases in the electric prices, tsk tsk.

on a related note am I the only person who thinks powerlines are less intrusive than windfarms?

10 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

on a related note am I the only person who thinks powerlines are less intrusive than windfarms?

No, I think the same.

Wind farms are hardly intrusive, they are just structures away in the distance or that you are close to, rather pleasing to many.

Plenty in Scotland, with miles and miles of open access and tracks and trails.

 

Oil refineries & Power Stations and Chimneys were intrusive for many, and Town Gasometers and much more and yet the energy was required just as it it now. 

 

The issue with so many is that they are happy to get their electricity that is generated elsewhere and does not intrude on them or spoil their view.

Be that Electricity, Gas or the Petrochemicals & transport fuels. 

 

Scotland has the decommissioned Nuclear plants, the Nuclear Reactors from Submarines stored and the submarines, the Oil rigs waiting to go where ever to be dismantled, and much else.  Out of site out of mind for many who do not live near them. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 20 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Hopefully things like Octopus Fan Club will kerb NIMBY-sm. 

A breezy bargain: Octopus launches first ever offshore ‘Fan Club’ tariff | Octopus Energy

 

 

10 hours ago, Winston_Woof said:

on a related note am I the only person who thinks powerlines are less intrusive than windfarms?

A few years ago I stayed a few miles from a wind farm near Dieppe, it was really difficult to get a good nights sleep whenever it was windy due to ground carried vibration from the wind turbines (yes I did look outside to check on which nights the turbines were operating).

@PetrolDave  Were you living off grid and producing your own electricity /energy and fuel?

Growing crops and producing ethanol to drive your car on, growing for burning bio-mass, cutting peat etc? 

 

Or were you just plugging in to the sockets and getting electric and turning on taps and getting water? 

 

The countryside is wonderful, all these roads, walls, fences, hedges, fields, woodlands / forests that are natural and in no way there because the were worked on by humans. 

Edited 20 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

20 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@PetrolDave  Were you living off grid and producing your own electricity /energy and fuel?

Growing crops and producing ethanol to drive your car on, growing for burning bio-mass, cutting peat etc? 

 

Or were you just plugging in to the sockets and getting electric and turning on taps and getting water? 

 

The countryside is wonderful, all these roads, walls, fences, hedges, fields, woodlands / forests that are natural and in no way there because the were worked on by humans. 

I love the way you go completely off-grid with some of your posts 😂

I just wonder what you thought of those living near refineries, or nuclear power stations or those that lost their homes because of hydro?   Or those next to motorways or airports where the goods get transported..

Edited 20 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

9 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I just wonder what you thought of those living near refineries, or nuclear power stations or those that lost their homes because of hydro?   Or those next to motorways or airports where the goods get transported..

An interesting question, but how it belongs in this thread about electric cars I fail to see - so I'm not going to clutter up this thread with my reply.

12 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

but how it belongs in this thread about electric cars I fail to see

Clean energy generation and transmission installs must be put up. "Not In My Back Yard" (NIMBY) mentality is stopping progress. 

 

Your story is a valid reason for NIMBY at extreme close proximity to wind turbine. Octohere is presenting the other side of arguement where infrastructure install and discruption are necessary for model lives. 

The EV connection to anything is where stuff comes from and who suffers.

So there is the battery issue, the rare metals the materials, the energy used and where produced etc etc.  The slave labour, maybe in China, or anywere.

 

Just like the ICE vehicles, then. 

The Oil & Gas also taken from far off lands to the UK or maybe British waters and then taken away and bought back. 

These getting killed and maimed around the world in wars is about land, resources, minerals etc.  Oil & Gas.

 

Anyone in the UK waking up and switch on, running water, driving or riding and not hungry, dirty, skint are doing very well really.

Nobody is going to drop a drone or bomb on them today.

Edited 20 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@Ootohere Grangemouth is sad news for sure, but it is not the only casualty, here in Essex we have lost the massive Coryton oil refinery, over 11 years ago.

 

 

 

52 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Clean energy generation and transmission installs must be put up.

52 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Your story is a valid reason for NIMBY at extreme close proximity to wind turbine

That's really the point I was making, clean energy generation is essential but it must be done sympathetically. There are plenty of great locations for wind, solar, hydro, tidal, etc. that do not cause unacceptable quality of life issues (or loss of productive farmland) for more than a handful of people, who must then be appropriately compensated.

Grangemouth is not sad news, other than for the economy. Employment.

 

It was and is so polluting as are the products produced in the Petrochemical side and the Fuel Cracking.

 

It is such a high energy users.

If not economic after all the money spent on Storage, Dragon Ships etc etc then best not operating.

 

The Forties Pipeline will be closed very likely very soon. 

PetroInios can clear up the site, totally clear up other than the parts away to still be used. 

If they do not then they can pay from the huge world wide profits they make. 

 

PS

Green Energy for England, just not in my back yard, compensate for Turbines, Pylons ,roads. tracks, convoys for months or years passing through with turbines, then transformers for Substations, battery storage etc etc.

It was fine an is fine getting it now from further afield like Scotland, Wales, Ireland or Continental Europe, but stuff them, we want compensation and cheap energy. 

 

Frack on, Drill baby drill as the Donald says.

Edited 20 November, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Future Headline?

Growth of EV adoption leads to increase in obesity figures

 

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https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxY0XkYfPab6fJ4iVMHNmq5mFc-wGZeFlT?si=cVbJDYtLcMVYfaie

 

On 20/11/2024 at 10:51, Graham Butcher said:

@Ootohere Grangemouth is sad news for sure, but it is not the only casualty, here in Essex we have lost the massive Coryton oil refinery, over 11 years ago.

 

 

 

 

The view from my bedroom window at my parent's house was the Coryton oil refinery - it was quite a shock when some years later I looked out of the same window and realised the oil refinery had gone!  it was the view on the horizon for the first 40+ years of my life....

Looking like another quarter, Q1 2025,  of cheap charging for the EVs hopefully if night rates follow these day rates figures ........... 

Need to look at using my electric immersion heater more rather than using the gas boiler to heat water, especially between 0030 and 0530 when lecky on cheaper tariff.

Electricity up in line with inflation and wage/income it looks like.. 

 

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/get-energy-price-cap-standing-charges-and-unit-rates-region

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