The Chinese Government investigating. No idea why they would investigate as they know everything that goes on.

As to the UK Government, they are not investigating are they.

the Demonstrator / Ex Management and 3 months / 3,000 year old carry on has been as it is for decades.

0 miles, or 15 miles used cars is a different game.

50 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The Chinese Government investigating. No idea why they would investigate as they know everything that goes on.

As to the UK Government, they are not investigating are they.

the Demonstrator / Ex Management and 3 months / 3,000 year old carry on has been as it is for decades.

0 miles, or 15 miles used cars is a different game.

That is the point, they are, according to the reports and the links are all there in the notes attached to the video on YT, to fully support the claims in the video, supposed to be 0 or extremely low mile cars (nominal miles that are clocked up for testing, loading and unloading the cars).

He is just a muppet.

Cars have been clocked up for decades to get the tax breaks in the UK. Imported from the Channel Isles.

As to relaxed or no need for Planning for EV Chargers in Driveways, Residential Parking, Public Highways in England, that does not mean that the installations have to be to the required standards.

You may think he is a muppet, that is your opinion, and you are entitled to that, however, I don't share that view, I don't accept all the things presented to us as being gospel and factual, but then you already know that.

Yes I know cars in the UK and all over the world are sometimes clocked, but not up, rather downwards, to increase the money that the unscrupulous dealers can get for low mileage examples, but that is not what MGuy is talking about, and he is not making up stories for clickbait either, go to YT and there in the video notes are all the links to the articles that he is talking about, he is not a McMaster, he is trying to give you the other side of the coin, that is so often ignored or buried because it does not fit in with the agenda.

Lastly, nobody is suggesting that installations don't have to be to the required standards, of course they have to be, which is one of the points he is making. Relaxing the regulations also means that there will be less boxes being ticked etc and open up opportunities for dangerous installations done by DIYers and cowboys alike.

0:00 - Intro

0:26 - Charging bill: https://m-g.uy/7b6b8e

3:52 - Chinese EV Ponzi scheme: https://m-g.uy/7ca8ad

China Observer video:    • Huge Crisis! Bigger Bomb Than Evergrande A...  

6:48 - Tesla sales fall by half: https://m-g.uy/be5499

8:31 - Volvo cuts 3000 jobs: https://m-g.uy/9d6d5d

10:39 - Maternity hospital solar panel fire: https://m-g.uy/25408b

11:57 - German battery fire: https://m-g.uy/20c3c0

14:00 - UK planning rules: https://m-g.uy/3ce561

16:58 - GM builds V8s again: https://m-g.uy/c76ff7

18:46 - Net Zero rationing: https://m-g.uy/71c0f4

21:49 - Outro

@Graham Butcher 'Clocked up'.

As happens. It matters not if commonly known or known by you.

If i was talking Clocking and taking miles off vehicles i would say that.

30 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

You may think he is a muppet, that is your opinion, and you are entitled to that, however, I don't share that view, I don't accept all the things presented to us as being gospel and factual, but then you already know that.

Whatever your opinion, there is simply no need to repeatedly say you don't take things on face value and imply other people take all things presented as factual.

For me, it is actually the social media posts like the video linked that require the most scrutiny. Need to go to sources and understanding what is actually happening. Just having sources in notes are better than Geoff's none, but does not mean journalistic duties had been carried out and sources had been verified.

For the bit regarding planning permission relaxation. I don't think the linked source article nor the YT video nor the linked articles in below thread truly understand what is being changed. As the saying goes "If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough".

But it is clear 99.9% of people would not require planning permission or be affected by this relaxation of rules. It is a non-story for everyone except a few people working at charge network operators.

https://www.speakev.com/posts/3781277/

So it begs the question, why was it presented in this way by the YT video? (questioning safety aspects)

Can you install an upgraded engine from newer model year in 3 hours?

Basically, this guy bought a £600 first-gen Leaf that originally had 30 kWh. The battery was removed to function as home battery by the previous owner. All details in another video on his channel.

This video details the guy installing a 62 kWh battery from second-gen Leaf. The 3 hour install time also includes rear suspension upgrade to deal with increased battery weight.

My take away is that Leaf battery swap is very simple to do, just lift up the battery using 2 trolley jacks and line it up, screw it in. Finally connect the orange cables and add a canbus translator to make it compatible.

There are lots of BEV,s going about as company cars and not family transport.

1 up or maybe 2 occasionally. Taxi / family sized cars that carry just the driver.

Surely a given that efficiency should go along with comfort.

Despite all the pressures being brought to bear on people switching over to electric vehicles both for the private and also the corporate markets, the government once again clearly demonstrating that there is a two tier system in place, one for us and another for them.

Instead of leading from the front, which would be the right way to go (don't ask others to do what you are not/cannot do yourself), they have fallen way behind their own targets for the 7,116 cars and vans in their own fleets.

So much for their net-zero policy, what next?

Government fails to meet its own EV fleet targets despite pressuring drivers to switch | Regit

'Central Government', Westminster / UK Government, so this is England once again.

The place that needs the billions spending on Nuclear so that they do not have anything like happened in Spain.

The Government in Scotland might well miss targets and have to modify targets, maybe on their emissions and government and local authority vehicles.

That would be them, and not the Central Government though.

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On 10/06/2025 at 17:37, Graham Butcher said:

Despite all the pressures being brought to bear on people switching over to electric vehicles both for the private and also the corporate markets, the government once again clearly demonstrating that there is a two tier system in place, one for us and another for them.

Instead of leading from the front, which would be the right way to go (don't ask others to do what you are not/cannot do yourself), they have fallen way behind their own targets for the 7,116 cars and vans in their own fleets.

So much for their net-zero policy, what next?

Government fails to meet its own EV fleet targets despite pressuring drivers to switch | Regit

I think as long as the central fleet of cars and vans, excluding the PMs Range Rover, (which I guess is armoured and needs the potential to go a long way for a long time very fast) is electrified by 2027 as the government stated it will be then this isn’t yet a story. There isn’t really any pressure yet on Joe Public to buy an EV, it’s coming in 2030 but currently you buy whatever you like. In fact, the over £40k tax thing is making many EVs undesirable.

Presumably government fleets are planned over periods of years and it would be wasteful to change them early, we also don’t know what agreements are in place on the current fleets or when they were agreed. Also I guess they will have to install their own chargers between now and 2027.

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24 minutes ago, classic said:

I think as long as the central fleet of cars and vans, excluding the PMs Range Rover, (which I guess is armoured and needs the potential to go a long way for a long time very fast) is electrified by 2027 as the government stated it will be then this isn’t yet a story. There isn’t really any pressure yet on Joe Public to buy an EV, it’s coming in 2030 but currently you buy whatever you like. In fact, the over £40k tax thing is making many EVs undesirable.

Presumably government fleets are planned over periods of years and it would be wasteful to change them early, we also don’t know what agreements are in place on the current fleets or when they were agreed. Also I guess they will have to install their own chargers between now and 2027.

You say there is no pressure for people to buy electric cars, have you actually tried to buy a new pure ICE car recently? My sister in law has just 3 weeks ago taken delivery of a new car and unless she wanted just the smallest base model in the Toyota range (just 3) all the rest of the wide range of cars, all feature electric in some format, something which she did not want. In the end she had to, if she wanted another new Toyota, something a little more interesting than a basic roller skate, reluctantly had no option other than to go for a hybrid.

That is in itself a pressure is it not? Maybe not direct pressure, but indirect, due in large parts to the fines that companies face if they don't sell the required annual quotas electric models, so yes, its pressure.

I haven’t personally tried to buy a new car recently. But Skoda wise, 2 of my friends have bought new Fabia 1.0 petrols in last 3 months. Toyota have been hybrid based for well over a decade and well ahead of any European legislation.

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In other news the cost of crude oil has jumped 8 % due the the military action between Israel and Iran.

In other other news Octopus is offering customers free electricity sessions as well as cheap overnight charging allowing EVs to charge up and cost only 2p a mile for energy / fuel !!

Petrol / Diesel at the pumps can go to £2.00 a litres so £9.09 a gallon to take you 45 miles and still that is much like 10 kWh public charging @ 89 pence a kWh. BP Pulse.

Maybe the fortunate with their Cheap Rate Home charging that really is not 50 % of EV drivers no matter what the Government, RAC, AA or who ever says need to think about the bigger picture.

60 pence a kWh and Porsche Taycan getting 2.4 miles a kWh is 24 miles for £6.00

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1 hour ago, classic said:

I haven’t personally tried to buy a new car recently. But Skoda wise, 2 of my friends have bought new Fabia 1.0 petrols in last 3 months. Toyota have been hybrid based for well over a decade and well ahead of any European legislation.

That maybe, but Fabia is still a small car, in fact it's more like a 2 seater with space for 2 tods in baby seats.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

My sister in law has just 3 weeks ago taken delivery of a new car and unless she wanted just the smallest base model in the Toyota range (just 3) all the rest of the wide range of cars, all feature electric in some format, something which she did not want. In the end she had to, if she wanted another new Toyota, something a little more interesting than a basic roller skate, reluctantly had no option other than to go for a hybrid.

Toyota are probably the least EV focused of all the main car manufacturers.

They do a lot of mild hybrids but these are effectively ICE cars with a tiny battery and electric motor that helps to save fuel.

As far as the government and ZEV mandate is concerned, it's an ICE.

A Skoda Fabia carries 4 adults just fine, 3 if the driver is tall. Has a good boot in that mid sized car class.

Family car for many that do not need Airport Transporter / Funeral / Wedding sized cars like a Superb.

There are new, pre reg diesel and petrol cars at dealerships for many many manufacturers around the UK.

As far as Factory Builds then waits might well be expected, and if a dealer someplace can not supply what someone wants in the way of a NEW car there will very likely be one someplace else that can.

EV mandates are one thing,

there is the Fleet C02 requirement for the UK. That has lots to do with what Toyota and other have to offer ICE wise or MHEV, or PHEV.

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20 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

A Skoda Fabia carries 4 adults just fine, 3 if the driver is tall. Has a good boot in that mid sized car class.

Family car for many that do not need Airport Transporter / Funeral / Wedding sized cars like a Superb.

There are new, pre reg diesel and petrol cars at dealerships for many many manufacturers around the UK.

As far as Factory Builds then waits might well be expected, and if a dealer someplace can not supply what someone wants in the way of a NEW car there will very likely be one someplace else that can.

EV mandates are one thing,

there is the Fleet C02 requirement for the UK. That has lots to do with what Toyota and other have to offer ICE wise or MHEV, or PHEV.

In my book, they are not, the other half is tall and me and my boys are all 1.93m tall and most families these days are taller than they were years ago, so my mind most so called family cars are anything but. Only really being so when the kids are kids and not teens or adults. As to boot. well that is laughable, granted it might be similar sized to that of a mini, focus etc but quickly becomes full when shopping. When my other half and sister in law go to Madeira, they take a suitcase each and with 2 cases and 2 carry on handbags, my boot is full.

Edited 13 June, 202513 Jun by Graham Butcher

^^^ That is you, maybe your SiL as well.

But there is a seat for every bum if you look about.

Small families of small people maybe just need small family cars.

If Toyota does not do what is needed there are loads of Japanese or South Korean models in different sizes drivetrains, then VW Group do SEAT / Cupra, Skoda, VW, Audi, Bentley, Porsche or Lamborghini.

Chose something from someone.

Then we have Stellantis, different sizes, brands, models,drivetrains. World is an oyster.

Edited 13 June, 202513 Jun by Ootohere

8 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ That is you, maybe your SiL as well.

But there is a seat for every bum if you look about.

Small families of small people maybe just need small family cars.

If Toyota does not do what is needed there are loads of Japanese or South Korean models in different sizes drivetrains, then VW Group do SEAT / Cupra, Skoda, VW, Audi, Bentley, Porsche or Lamborghini.

Chose something from someone.

Then we have Stellantis, different sizes, brands, models,drivetrains. World is an oyster.

Good luck finding a brand new pure ICE vehicle these days suitable without going over the Luxury car tax bracket.

@Graham Butcher Now that is a whole different subject is it not. First mention on that is it not?

So what has that to do with a barrel of fish or a kettle of worms.

So a big sized ICE vehicle it is you want for less then £40,000.

Or,

splash the cash and pay an extra £2,000 maybe VED, or there are those that have Exemption from VED and coul not care less.

Maybe will lease and all inclusive.

@Graham Butcher What did she opt for in the 3 weeks timeline, and was there a reason a new one was required in such a short timeline?

What was the issue with getting a Hybrid which i assume was petrol and did not come with a plug?

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22 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Good luck finding a brand new pure ICE vehicle these days suitable without going over the Luxury car tax bracket.

There are actually lots of options - even big cars.

VW Caddy/Ford Tourneo Connect (same vehicle) can be ordered for around £30k in it's most basic form.

This is a seven seat car that makes a Skoda Superb boot look like a Fabia's (at least with only 5 seats in use).

Toyota was the biggest car manufacturer in the world at points as VW Group were caught with defeat divices.

There vehicles are for a global market and left and right hand drive, they will be caring about the European Market and the EU and maybe some on the UK,s right hand drive market, but they are what they are, Toyota / Lexus and mix it in with Subaru a bit, and it used to be Suzuki, & VW Group bought into Suzuki , actually learned about Small Turbos & hybrids from them, Fiat and Mitsubishi and yet were late to the party with Electrification.