Location location location dude

. Personal circumstances. Pure dead unlucky regarding claims, even not at fault, and age / occupation.

WTF with ICE 6,000 miles BEV 20,000 ?

No brainer for those with Cheap Charging, Home / Work etc, and needing a reliable car under £14,000

Just ordinary people that like this sort of thing.

Not sure if the petrol ones are having engine issues.

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by Ootohere

13 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

But then i have been into cars since a child.

Some of the cars with the worst reputation can be true peaches. Best of all often cheap because people without a clue dis them. Or motoring journalists do. Jerky Automatics etc.

Or best car in the world, yet the public hardly buy any.

Ditto, been into cars likewise since I was a kid, I was also the first to own a car and did so as soon as I was legally able to, my parents followed suite some years later after I got married and moved away so they no longer had me to run them about.

Like you, I also have always loved the underdogs in the car world . I also love the top dogs and have driven plenty and thoroughly enjoyed them, but could never afford them, apart from that Vanden Plas 3 Litre, which had to go in the end due to the likelihood of petrol rationing being introduced, it was a thirsty beast to be sure, but I loved it.

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by Graham Butcher

Have you tried any EV,s yet?

14 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

No brainer for those with Cheap Charging, Home / Work etc, and needing a reliable car under £14,000

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JGjfF4KxX46g

That video you linked to seems to have been deleted.

11 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Have you tried any EV,s yet?

No, but that is never going to change my mind about the technology not being matured enough yet to be considered stable and safe and also the future.

I understand that you and others have different opinions, and thats is perfectly fine, it'd be boring if we all thought the same eh?

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Sure, but once again, you did not read what I wrote, I agreed about the regenerative braking but I also said not everybody liked it or one pedal driving, thus indicating that some turned it either down or off, and then drove as per conventional ICE car, which they were used to driving, and then, once again pads and discs could also be changed.

Once again you demonstrated that you think everything is anti-EV, with out fully understanding what others are saying.

But once again, you have no clue what you are typing.

Most EV's, regardless of what regen setting is selected from user perspective, will still use regen to slow down. It drives like ICE but still uses regen.

Once again you demonstrated that you think you know everything, without fully understanding basic concepts.

26 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

No, but that is never going to change my mind about the technology not being matured enough yet to be considered stable and safe and also the future.

I understand that you and others have different opinions, and thats is perfectly fine, it'd be boring if we all thought the same eh?

At very least an extended test drive will allow you to experience concepts in EV so that you can form an informed opinion.

This is not about opinions, you don't have the knowledge but yet still choose to make up your opinions based on assumptions and 2nd hand info.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol Sure, but once again, you did not read what I wrote, I agreed about the regenerative braking but I also said not everybody liked it or one pedal driving, thus indicating that some turned it either down or off, and then drove as per conventional ICE car, which they were used to driving, and then, once again pads and discs could also be changed.

Once again you demonstrated that you think everything is anti-EV, with out fully understanding what others are saying.

Also you said "Been some EVs where the on regen part of the braking system has seized up thru lack of use so it needs a bit of TLC because it is used so little by many EV drivers who regen 99% of the time." Not a very safe situation to be in is it?

I'm not so sure about the EV insurance being less expensive these days, insurers have got wise to the fact that many EVs have to be written off after some accidents for fear of the battery being damaged and leaving them with a ticking time bomb so many will not take that chance and simply write the car off and then premiums start to rise in order to ensure that they are are operating at a loss.

This a situation that you personally may not be aware of as an existing EV owner with no such claims made, but I'm sure that there are plenty of other new owners discovering that when they look for quotes on a potential change from ICE to EV as result of the pressure being brought to bear on them, is a really nasty unexpected surprise that wipes away much of the smile from enjoying cheap home charging.

To illustrate the above insurance hike in EVs over ICE I have done a test, using money supermarket on Auto Trader site, same driver details in both cases, therefore the same insurers quoted, only car has changed, 2020 Hyndai Kona Premium SE, both cars valued at £14,000

ICE version 6,000 miles £480 full Comp (petrol)

BEV version 20,000 miles £730 full Comp. (full electric)

So that is a 52% hike in the premium for the full electric car over the more likely to self combust according to some ICE car and the BEV also has an 233% increase in the mileage at the commencement of the proposed policy, not really looking that rosy is it?

The development of EVs, especially with related companies Nissan and Renault, has been at sales stage for well over a decade and development for probably nearly twice that and it is clear to me, owning the third generation Zoe, that it is if anything over engineered. Possibly one pedal driving is not a overall good thing as a dab on the brakes for that last few milesper hour to zero keeps the pads shuffling.

I speak as i find. EVs are more relaxing to drive. Cheaper to insure, cheaper in pence per mile energy costs and cheaper servicing.

Has enabled me to make more profit as the gap is bigger between money received for doing business miles and cost.

Peripheral downside is the price is falling so much month on month, year on year that one is always kicking oneself as these cars are substantially cheaper a few months on and provably better spec too, more range and even more safely systems etc.

Now with EV grants back again the sun is shining even more on the righteous. UK government will still get a big wodge of VAT which will more the twice over cover the EV grant. Just wish Mini and Nissan were filurther advanced in their EV manufacture.

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by lol-lol

These prices are really amazing.

There are even 2025 8 seater Stellantis BEV,s with under £20,000 asking prices, and not all Ex VAT.

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Location location location dude

. Personal circumstances. Pure dead unlucky regarding claims, even not at fault, and age / occupation.

WTF with ICE 6,000 miles BEV 20,000 ?

Location etc will make some variations I accept that, but surely not to the type of fuel a car uses. I used my precise details that I have always used and the very same ones used to insure my new Kodiaq so the the increase in insurance costs has to be down to the cost of repair in the event of a claim. A BEV plugged in on a home charger is less likely to be stolen than ICE as the cable is attached to the car?

The WTF? Mileage figures is the recorded miles for those cars on Auto trader, meaning the electric car has 14000 mores on the clock.

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by Graham Butcher

I only know about insurance quotes for me and nearest and dearest and EV,s are no more expensive, and high performance ones are around 1/3 lower to insure than an ICE model, same prices, less or the same performance.

I am checking on cars being considered for purchase.

PS

Cars parked on streets are not always more expensive than parked on private drives, plugged in or not.

Many premium / high value cars have theft or damage while parked on private ground.

Location location location. Dodgy places, not always social housing schemes.

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by Ootohere

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

I only know about insurance quotes for me and nearest and dearest and EV,s are no more expensive, and high performance ones are around 1/3 lower to insure than an ICE model, same prices, less or the same performance.

Well, the ICE Kona was the GTI version and not the normal sedate model yet it far cheaper to insure.

Just shows insurance is fickle.

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by Graham Butcher

@Graham Butcher For who, where, that Essex 20 again. Asylum Hotel disturbance type place.

Kona N, or Kona N-line, GT or GT LIne. What are we talking here? Do you know?

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by Ootohere

5 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher For who, where, that Essex 20 again. Asylum Hotel disturbance type place.

Kona N, or Kona N-line, GT or GT LIne. What are we talking here? Do you know?

Given that according to their product line up the N and N Line were not out in the 2020 lineup, we are talking here about a GT and Premium SE BEV and both have a 0-62mph of 7.9secs, the BEV is clearly a disadvantage to me based on insurance quote alone, and by the way, I'm quite a few miles away from asylum hotel disturbance, that is right on the London boundary.

Edited 28 July, 202528 Jul by Graham Butcher

Perth Park and ride chargers all busy. Decided not to go to Dunblane a miss and go to SEPA Stirling. Out of service. Came to Castle View park and ride. 3 cars charging and only getting 26 kW. The Merc left to go to Shell charger. That charger then cut out twice on me. Now on a 2nd charger and getting 39 kW max. Just as well in calm frame of mind and not in a hurry. The guy in the new Vauxhall has a flight to catch and had never used a charger. Got him started and just slow charge but he just needed to add 30 miles. Nice hire car. PS. I am not seeing I have been charged twice the £2 min charge for false starts. That will be yet another dispute with CPS if I am. 65 pence a kWh here now. Been here 1 hour and have managed to get 13 kWh of charge in 24 minutes on this charger.

Edited 29 July, 202529 Jul by Ootohere

That sounds like a bit of shyt show, glad fossil fuel stations I use are manned 24/7 with proper cashiers although there is always the option to pay at the pump, but most savvy drivers push the button to pay cashier rather then pay at the pump. Could be a real nightmare otherwise.

@Ootohere @Graham Butcher I've used unmanned pay at pump dynojuice pumps with 100% reliability and success.

@Paws4Thot I know I am on your blocked list. But have we not many of us used unmanned pumps without issue. Tapping a debit or credit card and buying what we want up to £99 or what ever. So WTF has that to do with the Real World of electric cars? The Truth of Electric cars. The charge on my card is for £10. 15.4 kWh. So for 76 miles of driving to back to full just about the cost of a petrol car. The 76 miles was done with a charge at a tariff of 6.7 pence. There was showing 47%, 50 miles range left. The next 200 miles will be at 50 pence on 11 kW AC, then another charge in Stirling at about the same £10.00

Edited 29 July, 202529 Jul by Ootohere

Keeping on topic, I believe that all EV chargers are online only and the point I made was that when they go wrong, they have the potential to leave one stranded, maybe in the middle of nowhere in unknown territory in the middle of night, which can be bad, but even worse if you're a woman travelling alone.

Yes there are some dyno juice pumps that are unmanned, that said, all the ones that I have encountered and also used successfully, all tend to be at filling stations like Asda and and by their very nature are in built up areas, usually fairly busy and also there are other manned filling stations within a mile or two, which sadly is not the case with most chargers.

@Graham Butcher Luckily @ Stirling Park & Ride for those prepared to pay 20 pence a kWh more to get a charge

there is the Shell Filling station or the Osprey Chargers & the Marston Hotel & Eatery.

Good for those where money does not matter, or the employer is paying.

£8.50 for maybe 45 miles worth of electricity.

Geez, this driver was extremely unlucky, but just goes to show how much of a risk you take being one of the first few owners of these new cars being imported into the UK.

Those who definitely can't the the grant are already dropping their prices:

Autocar

These are all the electric cars being discounted to beat...

The new ECG was announced last month and will yield a discount on qualifying EVs of either £1500 or £3750

Ora Cat for £21k looks like a good deal. The red and round lights probably will have good wife approval factor.

Well, it would seem that electric school buses do not share the alleged, legendry EV reliability needing far less servicing etc.

14 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well, it would seem that electric school buses do not share the alleged, legendry EV reliability needing far less servicing etc.

Just as well the UK is not North America. Good that he is no longer in the UK .. grifter.. buy him a coffee and maybe some happy tablets.

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Just as well the UK is not North America. Good that he is no longer in the UK .. grifter.. buy him a coffee and maybe some happy tablets.

Why are you so hard on people for exposing things when they are going so badly wrong? I just don't get where you are coming from at times. You can be as harsh as you like when it comes to criticizing certain electric vehicles, or EV infrastructure such as charging hubs and the companies that run them and also comment on some ICE vehicles, as if it is essential to either be the owner or regular driver of an EV to be able to comment or even as in this case, report on them. It is not a requirement to be either in order to see something that is so clearly not working as it should be.

What is it with him and his reports that you are opposed to, do you think he is making all of it up just for clicks? Does he not always have the supporting documentation that he presents and reads from, or is that also faked? Do you actually for a fact know that what he is saying is not true? All that massive amount of public money being wasted, with about 50% of the buses not being in a usable state because they are always in a state needing repairs, when their diesel counterparts are usable?

I never notice you holding back when it comes to being critical of anything that the UK government that in your opinion is wasteful, particularly if it involves Scotland in some way or other?

Edited 30 July, 202530 Jul by Graham Butcher

Mr IM Jolly is just getting on with earning a crust telling us the stories he finds.

The facts are the facts and yes the Vids are for Clicks, he is not changing the world any more than we are posting here or anywhere.. .