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When it comes to the showroom I might have a peek

Had a lovely run in the Scenic EV from Worcester up to the stunning Betsw y Coed in Snowdonia yesterday. 225 miles in cool and rainy conditions and my Scenic is the nominal 60 kwh battery rather than the 90 kwh one.

Got to Snowdonia with half the battery used. What i learnt on my drive to Felixstowe in mid 2025 is there is quite a lower buffer in the Scenic with ut going 11 miles past 0% state of charge before even the restricted performance warning came up on the dash.

So again I hit 0% SOC miles before getting to Worcester. Did not heed that warning and did several miles with 0% SOC showing. Did not think the Google Maps were that clever as it advised me to do a good couple of miles further than I needed to.

So fuel cost less than a fiver. Was with a couple of Land Rover enthusiasts, one was local the other from Liverpool. Probably cost the traveller from Liverpool 4 times the cost for half the distance. We also talked about servicing. One major service fir the Discovery was about the same a 3 years od servicing for the Scenic. Different worlds.

In 7 months time the cost of a fill up is due to rise by about a fiver for them plus it is looking like less garages are going to even stock diesel over the next 4 years. Big changes ahead.

We will see which 'filling stations' actually stop retailing Derv in the next 4 or more years. @lol-lol How much is the servicing of the Scenic & is the brake fluid sat 2 years and also the Pollen Filter? What was the Scenics efficiency as far as miles per kW? Just to get some idea what Public Charging at 70 pence a kWh public charging might have been.

9 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

We will see which 'filling stations' actually stop retailing Derv in the next 4 or more years. @lol-lol How much is the servicing of the Scenic & is the brake fluid sat 2 years and also the Pollen Filter? What was the Scenics efficiency as far as miles per kW? Just to get some idea what Public Charging at 70 pence a kWh public charging might have been.

Just about to take out a service plan for the R5, it will be £9.99 a month for 3 year period by local Renault going to give me £36 back as they should have rolled it in with the buying process at 8.99 a month.

Did not get organised on the Scenic so that is going to cost me nearly twice as much.

Been in the upper 3s miles per kwh. Had a worst trip last Sunday, mainly motorway back and forth to Liverpool so needed to charge on way back on the M6. Gridserve and 89p per kwh. Just put in 18 kwh and charged at nearly 100 kws. So cost me £15 something and was there just over 10 minutes.

Been fine with the smaller batteried Scenic as only charge about 5 times in a year and therefore only spent around £100, if that.

Garages are not going to stock diesel once the sales dwindle below an economic point when they would ve better off having the pump dispense petrol or make way for EV charging points.

For those away from home then 3.8 miles to the kWh is 38 miles for maybe £4.50 if 45 pence a kWh and anything going up to £8.90 for 38 miles or possible 40. Not great really. Not AWD . Plenty people would rather have some Land Rover vehicle even if only getting 35 miles for £6.50 a gallon. Carrying people and stuff in wintry conditions. Maybe filling stations in areas of plenty of filling stations and a population might not have Diesel Tanks and pumps, but i seriously doubt that happening in the next decade. Getting a few EV chargers in really does not mean removing pumps at many locations. Lots of filling stations have already used up land that has been non economic the way the have the property. Filling stations with chargers are not likely to be the good value / trarrif places to charge.

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The number of Diesel vehicles getting scrapped or on SORN in this past few years and the next 4 years will be interesting. UK wide not just for London. The Estimation of as many as 8,400 stations not selling diesel must be 100% of filling stations./ as in all of them. What total guff. Or is that Shell, BP, ESSO, ASDA, Tesco, Sainsburry. Gulf, Texaco, NISA, guff.

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In 2025, several used diesel models saw significant appreciation; for example, a three-year-old diesel Honda HR-V increased in value by 11.3%, while the Mercedes CLS rose by 8%.

Demand for used diesels has, at times, outpaced the declining supply, creating a competitive market where dealers must pay a premium for stock, which is then passed on to consumers.

Look up New Automotive - where that story about petrol stations not stocking diesel comes from - and you'll see the 'spin'...

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I want a petrol automatic to see my driving days out as well as having an EV. No newer diesel so no AdBlue. A 1,600 cc turbo & 150 PS max will do & no smaller capacity engine with poor longevity like a VW 1.5 TSI ACT. Actually no electrification either so no MHEV or PHEV. 40 MPG as a minimum would be nice for longer runs. That will be as economic as any BEV that gets run using public charging. Annual running costs pretty much as running costs of the likes has been all the years i have been driving.

5 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

The number of Diesel vehicles getting scrapped or on SORN in this past few years and the next 4 years will be interesting. UK wide not just for London. The Estimation of as many as 8,400 stations not selling diesel must be 100% of filling stations./ as in all of them. What total guff. Or is that Shell, BP, ESSO, ASDA, Tesco, Sainsburry. Gulf, Texaco, NISA, guff.

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Yes, that is total guff, just a narrative designed to generate more movement towards electric in an attempt to shaw up waning sales and get back on track.

Second hand diesels in the auctions are showing a rise in demand along with increased selling prices, sometimes selling well above book prices.

6 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Just about to take out a service plan for the R5, it will be £9.99 a month for 3 year period by local Renault going to give me £36 back as they should have rolled it in with the buying process at 8.99 a month.

Did not get organised on the Scenic so that is going to cost me nearly twice as much.

Been in the upper 3s miles per kwh. Had a worst trip last Sunday, mainly motorway back and forth to Liverpool so needed to charge on way back on the M6. Gridserve and 89p per kwh. Just put in 18 kwh and charged at nearly 100 kws. So cost me £15 something and was there just over 10 minutes.

Been fine with the smaller batteried Scenic as only charge about 5 times in a year and therefore only spent around £100, if that.

Garages are not going to stock diesel once the sales dwindle below an economic point when they would ve better off having the pump dispense petrol or make way for EV charging points.

I see you fell for the hype regarding diesel not going to be sold shortly with the first to stop selling it being London. Just follow the money trail on where that guff came from. It will be years before diesel is withdrawn from sale, if it ever does, which I doubt it will. Demand for diesel powered cars is increasing, not declining, with the 2nd hand prices climbing steadily, well above the trade book prices they are going for in auctions. To run alongside this, the second hand prices of BEV's and all kinds of hybrids is still dropping like a stone.

2 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I see you fell for the hype regarding diesel not going to be sold shortly with the first to stop selling it being London. Just follow the money trail on where that guff came from. It will be years before diesel is withdrawn from sale, if it ever does, which I doubt it will. Demand for diesel powered cars is increasing, not declining, with the 2nd hand prices climbing steadily, well above the trade book prices they are going for in auctions. To run alongside this, the second hand prices of BEV's and all kinds of hybrids is still dropping like a stone.

If the 6p a litre rise on diesel, and petrol, does happen on September first, £5 a tankful or thereabouts, and EV charging drops by a similar amount per charge up due to the removal or eco costs on electricity the running cost gulf will be even larger.

EVs are falling in buy price as the price of new EVs fall quickly as the power train cost ie particularly the batteries, is falling so quickly which has a big effect on the second hand market values naturally.

Add to this EVs are increasingly getting more range, incredible performance the difference to ICE is just getting bigger. Whilst choice is something we pride ourselves with in the Western world the death of diesel car sales seems to be inevitable looking at uk SMMT data and how long the second hand diesels command value will depend on those running cost difference as well availability of diesel. The UK does not even produce half the diesel currently needed so it has to be imported. It is the very quick migration of goods transport vehicles from diesel to electric that will see diesel rapidly become a fuel not required much and unecomical for fuel retailers to sell. My company's move, and all others logistics companies transition from diesel to electric trucks and vans is moving at a blistering pace.

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43 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

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Just what is this chart showing, and what is its source, please?

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Just what is this chart showing, and what is its source, please?

Van sales same place the car sales data comes from

26 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Van sales same place the car sales data comes from

So that would be the dubious SMMT?

Good to hear the specs and actual F1 cars coming out and electric power being equal to ICE power ie with 350 kws coming from either ie total of 940 hp in a lighter and smaller car.

Not quite sure how the boost / overtake feature works ie allows the electric side to go to near 400 kw ?

I don't whether we have upped our sponsorship for Ferrari but our logo looks much bigger than last season's car.

Test coming up soon so we will get an idea how they go.

We will see the new Gen4 Formula-e at the end of this year and see how they compare !

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@lol-lol If the Public EV charging prices really drop they need to drop lots. Even if the VAT goes from 20% to 5% on Public Charging that is not lots, that is very little, 'real world' out of peoples income that they have after tax. Home charging is lovely, very cheap electric for 6 or 7 hours, even giving you cheap electricity for Household, Garage, Swimming Pool, greenhouse, battery storage etc etc. The Social Divide. Have and have nots,. but haves might really be able to reduce their energy bill, and transportation bill.

Electric, if it suits your requirements for the daily usage pattern and if most of your charging can be done at home using cheap electric, or free at work etc, then yes, an electric car could well be the perfect car for you, especially if you can negate the massive depreciation that comes with them. If you plan to keep the car long-term and can escape the replacement battery costs (should it be needed) with home charging, mostly short local journeys, etc., then they can be excellent packages and sound financial cases.

Has anyone discovered anything about the tougher MOT tests that are supposed to be operational from April this year?
Rumour has it all the driver aids will be part of it, such as lane keep assist, blind spot monitoring, and others, etc., will also be part of the MOT.
It is also apparently has a gotcha for electric cars on battery degradation, if the battery hits 70% of its capacity, then it the car becomes an instant MOT failure and banned from further use???

@Graham Butcher Who is pedalling that 70% battery guff?

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1 minute ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher Who is pedalling that 70% battery guff?

I overheard MOT testers talking about it when getting my car tested earlier this month. Apparently nothing is planned to be publicly announced about these changes; they will just be quietly introduced. It is going to be far tougher for ICE vehicles as well to pass the MOT then.

'Specialised Inspections'. Interesting, Which MOT test stations have EV Specialist MOT Examiners ready to get rocking and rolling. Or is the Test Stations for BEV,s going to be limited to only those with all the Gear and Ideas. & Training. Different fee?

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1 minute ago, Evolution13 said:

'Specialised Inspections'. Interesting, Which MOT test stations have EV Specialist MOT Examiners ready to get rocking and rolling. Or is the Test Stations fore BEV,s going to be limited to only those with all the Gear and Ideas. & Training. Different fee?

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Oh, so there does indeed seem to be some provenance out there, at least to the fact that April 2026 is when these changes will become effective. I wonder just how they plan to test all the safety and drivers aid systems built into cars, which include emergency braking, cruise control, etc.? I also heard them talking about how any sign of battery casing damage could also mean a failure to pass the test.

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