@Graham Butcher Yes HGV deliveries to hubs / depots, then van fills and out delivering and transferring to local agents. More and more now Evri is tracked then last delivery here is Royal mail / Parcel force. DPD recently to me less than 24 hours Germany to my door in Scotland. RoI deliveries Royal Mail tracked or whoever days and days and days to get here 48 hour tracked. Anyway, it is what it is, if the Fleets are punting Electric vans then good. Some like a bargain. Plenty Utilities and Deliveries are using Electric Light Commercials.

1 hour ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher Yes HGV deliveries to hubs / depots, then van fills and out delivering and transferring to local agents. More and more now Evri is tracked then last delivery here is Royal mail / Parcel force. DPD recently to me less than 24 hours Germany to my door in Scotland. RoI deliveries Royal Mail tracked or whoever days and days and days to get here 48 hour tracked. Anyway, it is what it is, if the Fleets are punting Electric vans then good. Some like a bargain. Plenty Utilities and Deliveries are using Electric Light Commercials.

Scotland seems to be different to the South, then. HGV to hubs and depots, with I think the ones using vans now are Royal Mail/Parcel Force, DPD, Amazon, FedEx, InPost and DHL. InPost, I think, will only deliver to their own lockers, and then the customer has to collect from there.

I think Evri must be the cheapest one as nearly all stuff delivered to me comes via them, and they do not use local vans here at all. They did at one time, but now I only see agents at their depot, parked all over the area around the depot with mobile cages from which they are loading their small private vans and cars. Delivery is never before 2pm and can be upto 9pm; even Royal Mail now delivers parcels up to 9pm. Letters take days or even weeks at times as they prioritise parcels, FFS.

I imagine lots of places are different to your more populated bit of England. The United Kingdom, 4 countries, British Isles, lots of Highlands & islands. Big place, spread far and wide, and places across seas even. Lots of stuff is transported by plane into which ever country.

As well as Amazon, DPD and the other parcel delivery firms the Royal Mail are progressing at pace....

Royal Mail achieves another electric vehicle milestone

Its 8,000th EV has been deployed eight years after its first zero-emission vans joined delivery offices across the UK.

.Furthermore, it has just rolled out its first fleet of electric heavy goods vehicles (eHGVs) in an effort to cut its carbon emissions by replacing diesel-powered 42-tonne trucks with the zero-emission alternatives. The fleet of eight fully electric HGVs will be deployed at its Midlands and north-west parcel hubs, handling ‘middle-mile’ deliveries between parcel hubs and mail centres. Each vehicle will be powered by ABB’s T360 chargers, capable of adding up to 60 miles of range in under 15 minutes. Thanks to its membership of Electric Freightway programme, Royal Mail has installed high-speed chargers at its two parcel hubs in Daventry and Warrington, which has made it possible to introduce eHGVs.

3 hours ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher If you had ever driven a BEV and charged at public chargers you would meet the van drivers, trades people with the pile of poo of a vehicle. Back a few years ago with the crap that they would not take passengers or tools and were charging several times a day. There are still people like that, and there are others that have no issues, they work around charging and their break and glory in the reduced running costs. It takes all sorts.,.

Yes, not denying that; it would all depend on the type of work and the area that they cover, as you say, it takes all sorts. As an example, the house I live in was once owned by Chelmsford Borough Council, and all of their maintenance services for their housing stock were carried out by their own DLO (Direct Labour Organisation). When the central government decided to make it compulsory to go competitive tendering, they were still the cheapest, so they kept the DOL; they had their own vans and only covered the Chelmsford area, so electric would have been fine.

Then all the housing was transferred to an HA, which trimmed down the DOL to emergency cover only and sent the rest out to tender, with some of the contractors now doing their work coming from as far away as 60 to 70 miles, and they do often tow trailers with plant on them as well. Electric does not suit them, as they have to carry so much equipment and parts, etc., on them that they are always heavily laden, and charging locations are not in suitable locations, and of course they can't use destination charging either.

I know a Local Courier who uses his own old car while at home is the Motability Supplied EV with his Blue Badge displayed. (for him not partner or other family member.) But then i know a Vermin Controller & Window cleaner who has a Blue Badge displayed on his vans dash. Funny how some are hounded by DWP or SSS & yet people can be blatant abusing the system.

12 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

As well as Amazon, DPD and the other parcel delivery firms the Royal Mail are progressing at pace....

Except, not so much in my neck of the woods currently. I already mentioned that Amazon has gone from an electric van back to diesel on my particular route, as their depot is some 15 miles as the crow flies from me, and I tracked some deliveries that were many miles further north way out in the sticks where chargers are not plentiful, if they are at all. Royal Mail vans here are also still combustion-powered.

I can well believe that in some areas BEVs are ideal where they have high-density areas so each van will only have a small area because of the huge number of deliveries in that area; that is the case with areas that have large rural areas as well to cover.

@Graham Butcher Your neck of the woods really is only representative of places similar. I checked out Life Expectancy, and it was clear Averages might be from places like Your Neck of the woods while the average came about with areas of Average Deaths and much younger people in cities and towns further north in England. Plenty articles and statistics, but this AI sums it up.

Edited 9 March9 Mar by Evolution13

3 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher Your neck of the woods really is only representative of places similar. I checked out Life Expectancy, and it was clear Averages might be from places like Your Neck of the woods while the average came about with areas of Average Deaths and much younger people in cities and towns further north in England.

Well as that document I gave the link to is from the Office of National Statistics in Westminster, then using your example, London would almost certainly be included and yet that is where the pollution is supposed to be higher, and hence the introduction of LEZ and the ULEZ in London so how does that work? Plus pollution further up North should be less as nowhere is very far away from off shore winds that blow it away.

I think the info you posted is by AI and we all know that AI is crap.

Edited 9 March9 Mar by Graham Butcher

April 2014, I remember the articles / reports that the English South Coast and even LONDON was supposedly getting high pollution blown across from FRANCE. ...............AI pretty much crap as The Office for National Statistics and AVERAGES. So 'Pollution', that will be like Environment, work, the good old days. Coal Miners, Farm Workers, Town Gas etc etc. Modern times, weather, Drinkers, Smokers, poor eaters, poverty or fast food availability, public transport or no public transport. Deep Fried Mars bars / Pizza Crunchie Suppers etc. HEALTHY LIFE EXPECTANCY, Diabetes, Heart / Liver, kidneys, LUNGS, environment, pollution as well as all the other stuff.

Edited 9 March9 Mar by Evolution13

Lots of Bus Stations / Stances and City Centres in Scotland or anywhere are in built up areas where there are high pollution levels / reading from there and other traffic and no onshore or offshore wind between buildings at ground levels. But that has been done to death in discussions and why there are LEZ,s or ULEMZ,s. But there are still those that argue all nonsense. They are welcome to their view, but just not to pleasing them self about what they can drive into them without maybe paying a penalty.

8 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

Lots of Bus Stations / Stances and City Centres in Scotland or anywhere are in built up areas where there are high pollution levels / reading from there and other traffic and no onshore or offshore wind between buildings at ground levels. But that has been done to death in discussions and why there are LEZ,s or ULEMZ,s. But there are still those that argue all nonsense. They are welcome to their view, but just not to pleasing them self about what they can drive into them without maybe paying a penalty.

They, like the LTNs and 15 minute cities are just cash cows and a means of plugging shortfalls in central grants which have been cut. The ULEZ in London was supposed to be in place because many thousands of Londoners were dieing each year as a result. IIRC the numbers that Sadiq Khan quoted was exactly the same number as died during the great smog of London in 1952, 4,000 died in 4 days.

Edited 9 March9 Mar by Graham Butcher

All false is it, misunderstanding of data. Muppets quoting muppets. Was it not a Spokesperson that said it for him, and also a Deputy Mayor for the environment? They will not have been out monitoring the air personally or counting deaths and death certificates for 'Cause of death'. so who did count deaths for the month in 2017? Those bl00dy liars in Public Service jobs or contractors getting public money need punted. Misconduct in Public Office if deceiving the public. Make them walk every place or cycle. No Travel Expenses.

It's like the wind in built up areas, it does not create dead spots, the wind will hit a building and flows round it, it never leaves static air. I spent many years working and walking all around the city of London going from one consultancy to another and onto the tube etc. When the wind blows, there is always air movement on all sides of a building. True it be a direct pressure on the side the wind is hitting, on the other side air is sucked away by the wind rushing past the side of the building.

In autumn when leaves are on the ground, surely you have noticed in areas not exposed directly to the wind, how the leaves and litter can be seen swirling about and eventually getting into the main airstream and blowing away? Don't you trust you own eyes, this wind on the sheltered side, you can actually feel it even.

A similar principle to an air curtain blowing air downwards from above shop doors etc.

Edited 9 March9 Mar by Graham Butcher

I do not trust your experiences of City Centres & built up areas. You pick your locations selectively for your point. Leafy boulevards. Tree lined residential areas. But lets look at Low pressure & pollution and down it goes, cold air and you have a cold sink / temperature inversion. We know how they build properties in the Med, Middle east etc for cooling. Edinburgh and Glasgow are tenements lining streets even Dundee. Back when houses had chimneys and mills, foundries etc, even power stations had big chimneys and cooling towers the building still got filthy, as did washing on the line at times. Even today Edinburgh can stink from the Breweries, and that is in your nose at ground level or even in your car. Somehow it is there before ever blown out to the North Sea.

Edited 9 March9 Mar by Evolution13

@Evolution13 oh yes leafy boulevards and tree lined residential areas. 🤣

Try Regents Street, as in this video; look at the flowers in the florist's doorway, halfway through the video, right in the heat of the shopping area.

@Graham Butcher Where is the gridlocked traffic pumping out particulates? So lovely where there is some rain and a breeze. Do you really just fail to see the bigger picture or are you just bl00dy minded. Reducing pollution is here to stay, unless you have the likes of Donald Trump who will scrap the measures in place. So maybe when Nigel Farage is PM and London has a Reform UK Mayor you can go about 'rolling coal'.

@Evolution13 😁This shows you are still missing the point of the video; it shows the wind in London is strong even by tall buildings and the sides of them, etc. As I tried to explain, air still flows around all sides of a building. Also, Regent Street just happens to be a bus- and taxi-only road at certain times of the road. So no standing traffic pumping out fumes, etc.

It really does pay to look over the wall before jumping over it also to look under the rock to see what is lurking there. I'm not in the habit of saying things unless I do some basic research.

Incidentally, the last 3 links below indicate that domestic heating, cooking, etc. produce 50% of the PM2.5 particulates. This also backs what I have repeatedly claimed in the past about reading the figures coming from the official air monitoring stations, and those that are showing very high readings just happen to be located in either residential areas, adjacent to tube stations, or close to places where commercial cooking is taking place, e.g., cafes, etc., as they have large extraction fans sucking the smell and fumes out of the premises and into the outside air, often within a metre or so away from the inlet to the monitoring station. I have spent plenty of time looking at these on Google Earth Street View, so there can be no other explanation for it.

The YouTube vlogger Brown Car Guy even managed to demonstrate that inside your home is way more dangerous than being outside where the prevailing breeze etc wafts the particulates away; inside it is many times higher than the legal limits and is not being extracted. Once again, many people dismissed his findings with the monitoring meter because they did not go along with the narrative.

But it seems that very few people are prepared to check if the official narrative is anywhere near factual, or is it just a blind to achieve another goal?

Air-Polution-Lies

FOI request detail - Transport for London

EIR - ULEZ and deaths attributable to air pollution [Mar 2023] | London City Hall

Ulez: London Mayor accused of 'quashing research' questioning the scheme - BBC News

No investigation over ULEZ research collusion claims | LocalGov

List of most-polluted cities by particulate matter concentration - Wikipedia

List of least-polluted cities by particulate matter concentration - Wikipedia

You’ll be surprised at what releases PM2.5 particulate matter
Half of PM2.5 from domestic burning comes from outdoor sources, says stove industry - AirQualityNews

How polluting is your heating? | Do You Fuel Good? campaign | Oxford City Council

Edited 10 March10 Mar by Graham Butcher

The wind can be high in streets, and it can be calm and hot, or low pressure or cold & wind free. Obviously you have no chest problems so would be none the wiser where there were issues. Really moan and grown about London and having to get with things, but there is a bigger world than just there, where there was Smog, and the supposed death total in a month in 2017, or when ever else. So it is all a hoax, faked science, just being done to make some rich and give some a good reason to moan.

Edited 10 March10 Mar by Evolution13

The topic is 'the truth about EVs'. Nobody has the time or the inclination to read or watch all the guff that's posted in it. I suggest people get back to the original topic.

Looking forward to reading on here anything that is new on the Truth about electric cars, vans, lorries, busses etc. Real stuff about them as transportation.

@Graham Butcher no need for confusion, the thread title is there to be seen. There are other threads on EV / car park, ship fires, or threads on many other subjects.

Just had my annual renewal quote for the Scenic and Renault 5, 13% lower than last year.

Don't know if it is new gathering data how safe the cars are with their safely systems, not catching fire or just worth a bit less or probably a combination of all this and more.

Add to the inflation at 3% then it is more like 16% cheaper, happy with that now a retired person and less income.

33 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Just had my annual renewal quote for the Scenic and Renault 5, 13% lower than last year.

Don't know if it is new gathering data how safe the cars are with their safely systems, not catching fire or just worth a bit less or probably a combination of all this and more.

Add to the inflation at 3% then it is more like 16% cheaper, happy with that now a retired person and less income.

Have you declared being retired as thats probably the main reason for the reduction?

50 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Just had my annual renewal quote for the Scenic and Renault 5, 13% lower than last year.

Don't know if it is new gathering data how safe the cars are with their safely systems, not catching fire or just worth a bit less or probably a combination of all this and more.

Add to the inflation at 3% then it is more like 16% cheaper, happy with that now a retired person and less income.

It will be partly due to to you being retired now and no commuting now. The safety systems have zero to do with it, nor does the fire risk, as EVs are currently no different to combustion cars in that respect.