2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Who would have thought that putting a hot ICE powerplant next to high voltage electrical system was an increased risk.

Think we have a big future problems with hybrids, particularly PHEVs.

The real problem there is the increased complexity, the ICE or the HV system should not be adversely affected by each other. I think that anything going with either system will also shut the other one off rendering the car inmobile.

35 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

@lol-lol In that case, you might be an ostrich. and have a skewed bias yourself?

I really do think that you should actually watch some of his latest videos, see the evidence that he gets from their own website and then try to justify your viewpoint and statement about him being biased.

Everybody had some biased of course.

I have listened to thd first couple of minutes of several of his videos before evaluating they are tosh. I don't know how the paying for viewed YouTube videos are but I want to avoid supporting such videos.

There is a grain of truth in them. A registration is not necessarily a sale. But the SMMT data, Autotrader, the Car Dealership magazine and other reputable outlets tell the story of EV growth. Residuals can appear shocking but then this is not really due to undiserability but mostly down to cheaper battery packs and increased grants meaning new prices are cheaper and this depresses second hand prices. Early indications that second hand EVs are recently in higher demand as it becomes clearer EVs can be run in terms of fuel at about a tenth the cost of ICE vehicle.

If you can summarise and point out any good points he makes but i will not full watch any his video which appear drivel to me.

Edited 17 April17 Apr by lol-lol

The statistics in the Re-registrations are not false. Bargain prices for Demonstrators, manufacturers registered to meet First registration numbers, nearly new, leased, fleet, Ex Mobility available at Much Cheapness or at least high depreciation & bargain buys. People are buying with their cash money or loans / finance or even PCP on used EV,s and PHEV,s. When at chargers in car parks or just parked some place at least in Scotland people do want to ask about EV,s if you are in or with one. The Facebook posts from people on the cost of new batteries or EV,s using up crucial electricity are quite funny.

Edited 17 April17 Apr by Evolution13

1 minute ago, Evolution13 said:

The statistics in the Registrations are not false. Bargain prices for Demonstrators, manufacturers registered to meet First registration numbers, nearly new, leased, fleet, Ex Mobility available at Much Cheapness or at least high depreciation. People are buying with their cash money or loans / finance or even PCP on used EV,s and PHEV,s. When at chargers in car parks or just parked some place at least in Scotland people do want to ask about EV,s if you are in or with one. The Facebook posts from people on the cost of new batteries or EV,s using up crucial electricity are quite funny.

Cars with less than 100 miles on the clock, and upto 3 years old? These are ex lease, mobility, fleet etc?? 🤔

24 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Everybody had some biased of course.

I have listened to thd first couple of minutes of several of his videos before evaluating they are tosh. I don't know how the paying for viewed YouTube videos are but I want to avoid supporting such videos.

There is a grain of truth in them. A registration is not necessarily a sale. But the SMMT data, Autotrader, the Car Dealership magazine and other reputable outlets tell the story of EV growth. Residuals can appear shocking but then this is not really due to undiserability but mostly down to cheaper battery packs and increased grants meaning new prices are cheaper and this depresses second hand prices. Early indications that second hand EVs are recently in higher demand as it becomes clearer EVs can be run in terms of fuel at about a tenth the cost of ICE vehicle.

If you can summarise and point out any good points he makes but i will not full watch any his video which appear drivel to me.

I watch many videos on both sides of the fence which have that affect on me, but to ignore them is akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water..

Some people are natural presenters, others aren't but the information they present could be crucial.

@Graham Butcher You did come late to the party but the threads are here going back 5 years or more. So if Thine eyes are blind you will not see. Cars with less than 100 miles, 3 years old. Bunkered / stored, first registered to save getting £12,000 fines 3 years ago. Please if there is breaking news then it should be breaking news, we were discussing this 3 years ago. It was obvious Manufacturers were doing it. Just because Barry Compton tells you and other Vloggers that does not mean it was not commonly known. But people with eyes and ears.

Edited 17 April17 Apr by Evolution13

9 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

The statistics in the Re-registrations are not false. Bargain prices for Demonstrators, manufacturers registered to meet First registration numbers, nearly new, leased, fleet, Ex Mobility available at Much Cheapness or at least high depreciation & bargain buys. People are buying with their cash money or loans / finance or even PCP on used EV,s and PHEV,s. When at chargers in car parks or just parked some place at least in Scotland people do want to ask about EV,s if you are in or with one. The Facebook posts from people on the cost of new batteries or EV,s using up crucial electricity are quite funny.

Absolutely.

Biggest one for me is me and other EV owners buying the super cheap electricity to charge our cars ie Night time when electricity is so cheap as because others don't or can't buy it at this time. Phrased by some that we are doing something underhand. It is simply buying whrn it is commercially cheap and using it when we need it ie that next day time or in the following days. This is fired back at us as if we are have a whole bunch of silver spoons !

The one distinguishing factor i find with EV owners is that gave thought through the matter of transportation choices !

If i can find a pre 2024 BEV i like with near no miles or delivery miles and 'very much cheapness' i might just snap it up. Not caring about future value because it would be keeper. Not looking at those right now though.

6 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

If i can find a pre 2024 BEV i like with near no miles or delivery miles and 'very much cheapness' i might just snap it up. Not caring about future value because it would be keeper. Not looking at those right now though.

Now that makes perfect sense for a keeper, but as we all know there are those like companies, and some private buyers who will be getting new cars far sooner than the 3 years that most leases are for. It's those folk who have to suffer massive depreciation losses.

Edited 17 April17 Apr by Graham Butcher

If business user leases that is a 'Work tool' Transport. Nobody has to suffer any massive depreciation if they do not want to. If they get BIK and cheap charging the thing that matters is the cost to run the vehicle. If private buyers or people leasing have any sense they know now about what BEV,s can drop in value, or trade in or sale price. It is amazing that non participators get all worked up what participators might do. PEOPLE buying an EV surely know if they spend 10 minutes looking that if they have no Cheap Charging Tariffs then Public charging is expensive and no real saving at even current liquid fuel prices.

Edited 17 April17 Apr by Evolution13

29 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Absolutely.

Biggest one for me is me and other EV owners buying the super cheap electricity to charge our cars ie Night time when electricity is so cheap as because others don't or can't buy it at this time. Phrased by some that we are doing something underhand. It is simply buying whrn it is commercially cheap and using it when we need it ie that next day time or in the following days. This is fired back at us as if we are have a whole bunch of silver spoons !

The one distinguishing factor i find with EV owners is that gave thought through the matter of transportation choices !

What, you mean to tell me that there are EV owners with home charging who don't take advantage of cheap rate electricity? Are they off their heads, it should be a no brainier to buy it then.

Yes there are people with no home charging that drive EV,s. There are people that do not do many miles. & Pure and simply everyone is not skint. There are people that overstay on chargers & pay £1 a minute or £10-30 penatlies. There are people that drive ICE vehicles and might get 15 mpg & not give a monkees.

Edited 17 April17 Apr by Evolution13

39 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

@Graham Butcher You did come late to the party but the threads are here going back 5 years or more. So if Thine eyes are blind you will not see. Cars with less than 100 miles, 3 years old. Bunkered / stored, first registered to save getting £12,000 fines 3 years ago. Please if there is breaking news then it should be breaking news, we were discussing this 3 years ago. It was obvious Manufacturers were doing it. Just because Barry Compton tells you and other Vloggers that does not mean it was not commonly known. But people with eyes and ears.

I know. But the practise is still happening and yet people are quoting the SMMT figures as these cars are actual sales and as you have just confirmed, they are not, just dodging the fines and then being SORNed.

People should stop claiming that sales are going up and targets being met. It is not just the media spreading misinformation but there are those on here are doing similar.

Deja vu or groundhog day.

People can actually do or say what they want as far as posting factual or fiction & opinions. Also still buy or lease what they want and run them and as far as The Mandates on ICE vehicles and quotas of First Registrations we will find out come time if these end up being relaxed in the UK which is what will matter to some drivers in the UK.

4 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

What, you mean to tell me that there are EV owners with home charging who don't take advantage of cheap rate electricity? Are they off their heads, it should be a no brainier to buy it then.

I think there are some that are still on a single rate tariff. If you worked night suppose you would have a problem.

We have 3 EVs for a 2 person household and with GO the two smaller batteried EVs can get a full charge, almost, during the 5 hours of cheap charging but my Scenic would take almost 2 nights to charge from empty to full.

Just chatting to someone down my avenue and he gad the 87 / 92 kwh Scenic so he would take two and a half nights to fully charge.

Think I would try and get 3 phase if I had a really large batteried car or another solution, batteries, full roof solar or the like.

14 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

I think there are some that are still on a single rate tariff. If you worked night suppose you would have a problem.

We have 3 EVs for a 2 person household and with GO the two smaller batteried EVs can get a full charge, almost, during the 5 hours of cheap charging but my Scenic would take almost 2 nights to charge from empty to full.

Just chatting to someone down my avenue and he gad the 87 / 92 kwh Scenic so he would take two and a half nights to fully charge.

Think I would try and get 3 phase if I had a really large batteried car or another solution, batteries, full roof solar or the like.

But that really negates the actual advantage of having an electric car, it would be as cheap to run an ICE car, especially after you have shelled out for that full solar and batteries and the like.

Maybe once a week is enough public charging for some. Or a few hours several times a week on AC charging. During their working day, over night or while out and about. There is Subscriptions & Charging tariffs and under 50 pence a kWh. Porsche was 33 pence a kWh a year back. Then Location location and different strokes for different folks. So if you know what is what, there are thousands using Car parks, Multi-Storey Car parks and chargers, Park & Rides around the UK. Free parking maybe 5 days a week and up to 12 hours charging, maybe plugged in for 9 hours at 40 pence a kWh. 7 or 11 kW chargers. Say 60 kWh charged, £24.00. 60 x 3.5 miles is 210 miles. So they have a EV that might be the same cost or less than an Ice. £6,000 to £15,000 & if an ICE getting 45 mpg & £7 a gallon that is £32. Park & rides AC charging can be 32 pence a kWh. 60 x 32 = £19.20.

Edited 18 April18 Apr by Evolution13

@Evolution13 I agree, location, location, but just not here. We have 2 large park-and-ride sites with a capacity of 2,300 spaces, and the number of charging bays between them is just 8, 4 at each location. That's a percentage of 0.003478%, so very slim chances of getting a spot on one of them, I would say.

So this location is clearly not anywhere as good in the provision of charging at park-and-ride sites as those around you, I would suggest. For instance, if it were me, popping into town, instead of travelling just 1.5 miles to a car park, I would have to go 4 miles in the opposite direction to the park and ride, then ride 4.5 miles back into the centre – not really ideal, is it? Then I have that journey back again to get home. Hardly very planet-friendly or helpful for congestion, etc., is it?

So councils / local authorities and particularly in England might be dragging their heals. There are towns and cities that are nor welcoming in passenger cars and parking might be expensive. Hence Park & Rides. There is supposedly a drive to Net Zero and Decarbonising. So the Tories played at it & Westminster played at it and had a morutorium on Wind Turbine in England. There will always be those that are unwilling to change there habits and think driving is the only way. Personally i have been on a bus twice in the past 30 years and never on a train. Been on Trams though and parked and rode. Trams were damn expensive... Even with a Blue Badge parking in Edinburgh City Centre can be very difficult to get.

Edited 18 April18 Apr by Evolution13

58 minutes ago, Evolution13 said:

So councils / local authorities and particularly in England might be dragging their heals.

As is Scotland, judging by the number of posts you make regarding non-operational chargers. The chances of getting stranded someplace because of the lack of working chargers is increasing.

Edited 18 April18 Apr by Graham Butcher

11 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

But that really negates the actual advantage of having an electric car, it would be as cheap to run an ICE car, especially after you have shelled out for that full solar and batteries and the like.

11 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

But that really negates the actual advantage of having an electric car, it would be as cheap to run an ICE car, especially after you have shelled out for that full solar and batteries and the like.

For those planning to live in their current house for many years to come they are choosing the path to go big on solar on the roof and batteries.

I am planning to move in a year or so therefore want all my solar generation and batteries portable so I can take them with me.

Boils down to what deal and personal finances on the monthly payments and also taking into consideration energy running cost, insurance and servicing.

Monthly payment is usually the biggy and stands out as the annoying one. Renault 5 deal felt good as it was on a 0% finance deal and the option to buy I think it going to be attractive at the end of the PCP. Energy running costs are now negligible and I find servicing about half to a third of the cost of my previous ICE cars and my insurance is low and gone down again this year.

My Scenic monthly is quite high and I am considering what to do with that in terms of partly paying off the PCP or trying to trade it in if I can get a good price now EVs are in greater demand with the ongoing fuel crisis for ICE cars. I could get a new Scenic for about £100 a month less than I am paying due to Renault lowering their prices and the fact the Scenic, like the 5, gets the bigger £3,750 discount, battery packs now being built in Poland or France, on new buys which will effect second hand residuals of course. My bank, Lloyds, sent me an email saying they could see I was paying Renault finance each month and could offer me a cheap load but it was only 5.7% when Renault did me 4.9% so not tempting.

So EV running costs continue to go down and if one does go down either of the two routes to generate and store one's own electricity and use that then it is an option to further insulate one's self from price hikes in energy and fuel going down the track. I choose to continue to develop my "portable" battery storage and portable solar arrays. Could even take portable batteries in the car as Bjorn Nyland does when he does his zero miles test ie run it until completely out of juice, or actually BMS says no more. He is using a pair of 2 KWh Ecoflow units but this area is improving all the time and I think portable units with 3 KWh + output and 4 KWh storage are coming out so carry 8 KWh will become easy.

Looking like Q3 energy prices wont be too bad which is a relief and keeps the EV running costs way down, as Elvis would say.

@Graham Butcher 2011- 2025, Millions of public money squandered on Contractors poor performance. That is one way to look at things. But that Is Charge Place Scotland chargers from the 32 Councils and the likes of SEPA. That system is being done away with and SWARCO running the back shop and having the Maintenance Service is the largest area of Scotland. SWARCO will be doing Contracts, but under much closer Scrutiny. So as far as being Stranded without chargers. COMMERCIAL CHARGERS & Providers are providing RAPID & Ultra RAPID chargers, reliable and with Call Handlers that are efficient unlike SWARCO,s call handlers for Charge Place Scotland. I hardly use them because i am tight, do not have subscription so go for Cheaper Charging. But until you plug in you do not know if running instead of at maybe 45 kW they are at 12 or 26 kW with a 40 or 60 min max charging time and a £2 or £5 minimum charge. Or a higher tariff on the 1st kWh. So now for trunk route travel and some more off trunk routes there is TESLA (cheap) Ionity, MFG, Osprey, Arnold Clark, Porsche etc etc. As to Slow known as Fast AC chargers, all around the Scottish Mainland.

53 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

I think portable units with 3 KWh + output and 4 KWh storage are coming out so carry 8 KWh will become easy.

Good in an emergency but i don't think I would lose all my boot space on the off chance of needing to charge at 9-12mph

6 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Good in an emergency but i don't think I would lose all my boot space on the off chance of needing to charge at 9-12mph

Indeed. Pleasantly surprised how many miles than caf predicts when one goes in to ultra efficient mode.

Was in South Wales in the R5, granddaughter loves the iridescent yellow 5 but literally had no apparent margin, thought about doing the A road route home but wanted to see how my 40 kwh R5 performed getting down to 0% SoC. First few miles did not look good but a few miles sat cruising behind a truck doing 55 mph and soon there was a buffer restored. Upped the speed to the National Limit but still could not get the down to 0% SoC on that journey.

If have found range anxiety not an issue in 5 years except on one journey back from Felixstowe to Worcester. Even then the Scenic did 11 mikes past 0% SoC bring shown before limited performance warning came up.

Mini Cooper might be different as 0% might mean 0% !

Mini and R5 boot is tiny but Scenic is 550 litre. Good to see the Polo e, Raval and Epiq have really good boots abd rear seat space. Think they will be good sellers.