46 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes, but don't run away with the idea that a registration means a sale, it doesn't!

 

Also quite a few ICE cars are registered but do little mileage, older cars retained for the good memories etc.

 

More oft EVs are going to driven extensively and the fact they are so cheap to pile the miles on to is also in their favour. My Zoe is like new, brakes hardly worn. When there VED rules come in I expect another round of hundreds of thousands of ICE cars being SORNed like my Type S was heading few years ago as the VED for a year was about what the car was worth.   

 

Stats can change quite quickly though there are usually hiccups for various economic reasons but the direction is inexorably towards EVs.

 

Rolls Royce are the right people to get behind Synthetic Fuels.

The division of Rolls Royce that is going to produce the Small Modular Nuclear Reactors that the public have to pay for can generate energy.

Then they can use Green Hydrogen maybe to run the vehicles that gets the huge amount of waste transported that is not to be used to produce gas at the bio-digestors right at farms.  Gas that actually goes to the gas supplies or to generate electricity.

(Like happens in Perthshire and elsewhere, along with Solar and Wind generated Electricity and battery storage.)

 

Obviously they can grow crops as they do now to produce ethanol, but instead for the Synthetic fuels. 

 

So go were there is plenty sun and water and wind generate electricity, grow crops or use waste from crops and then produce Synthetic fuels.

Not that this will help the EU / Europe / UK with fuel security.  

Or help feed those starving around the world. 

Edited 8 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Electricity is the ideal fuel for a Rolls Royce

An Electric Rolls Royce is the ideal car along with many others is just right for allowing that they are charged the appropriate per mile tariff by some equation of length / weight to passengers carried. 

That might have Jaguar Land Rover think on, or maybe just those getting them. It is just money after all if they cost more to travel in. 

 

KC3 is such a mooch. 

 

Edited 8 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

26 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Rolls Royce are the right people to get behind Synthetic Fuels.

The division of Rolls Royce that is going to produce the Small Modular Nuclear Reactors that the public have to pay for can generate energy.

Then they can use Green Hydrogen maybe to run the vehicles that gets the huge amount of waste transported that is not to be used to produce gas at the bio-digestors right at farms.  Gas that actually goes to the gas supplies or to generate electricity.

(Like happens in Perthshire and elsewhere, along with Solar and Wind generated Electricity and battery storage.)

 

Obviously they can grow crops as they do now to produce ethanol, but instead for the Synthetic fuels. 

 

So go were there is plenty sun and water and wind generate electricity, grow crops or use waste from crops and then produce Synthetic fuels.

Not that this will help the EU / Europe / UK with fuel security.  

Or help feed those starving around the world. 

 

Rolls Royce is BMW and Bentley is VW?

Never sure i get those owners the right way round.

 

If BMW and VAG need to sell those brands as they head towards financial losses as it is looking so one wonders where the ownership will end up ?

 

Germany has a crisis and struggles to have enough energy as it is without having excess for producing synthetic fuels.

Hence they let Hungary get away with so much as the gas comes through there for Austria & Germany. 

King Charles has had that Aston Martin since 1970, I think it was a 21st Birthday present

I think so to.  Because i am interested in cars. 

He gets lots of gifts from lots of people, a few billion from Mummy and Daddy and the people of the UK.

Never stopped his mooching. 

 

Good that they recognise their heritage in using Audi,s, and back to the Commonwealth and the Raj with JLR. 

Edited 8 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Almost half way down Scotland as a starting place , but we get the idea. 

 

 

 

 

51 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Almost half way down Scotland as a starting place , but we get the idea. 

 

All fine if that actually suits your bodily needs but not everybody has the same rest / toiletry / eating requirements.

Absolutely they do not. As we know and have discussed from day one of the 'Truth of Electric Vehicles'.

But there are more and more choices of charging. 

Some just adapt to suit. 

 

If it does not suit, then just do not do it.   If eating and drinking at Fast Food places, or Motorway Services type places is not your thing  then do not do it.

 

I am often amazed at those worrying about the tariff to charge at some locations but seem to have no issue maybe spending £7.50 or more for a hot drink and a pastry etc.

(Maybe 10 kWh worth of money that could get you 40 miles more and to a supermarket / charger where you can buy cheaper stuff, like 'Yellow label reduced' stuff. Like a tight person like me does.  My 100 gram jars of own brand coffee at home is 99 pence, i do not pay £3.50 for a coffee out and about.

if my passengers wants to buy me one then fine. They are never asked to pay for charging / fueling the car.)

 

BP Pulse chargers at some locations means when charging you get discounts on a drink and something to eat.

The thing is you can flash your card say you are charging and still get that discount even if there with an ICE vehicle filling up or not filling up. 

Edited 9 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

EV Chargers properly ICE'd.

Edited 10 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

At my local Esso PFS they are installing a few chargers and rather worryingly they have also installed a sign next to them that reads "Maximum stay 15 minutes" WTF? 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

At my local Esso PFS they are installing a few chargers and rather worryingly they have also installed a sign next to them that reads "Maximum stay 15 minutes" WTF? 

 

Usually enough time to get a decent charge on most EVs.

Not my air cooled Zoe battery pack but the liquid cooled Scenic.

15 minutes, 30 kwh, 128 miles of driving, two hours until I would stop again.

 

Many EVs can charge at twice the rate of my Scenic.

 

^^^ tosh. Total tosh.    Lots of the. 1.2 million EV, wil be from the slower max charge generation..  the people maybe without home chargers. 

Edited 10 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

4 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

At my local Esso PFS they are installing a few chargers and rather worryingly they have also installed a sign next to them that reads "Maximum stay 15 minutes" WTF? 

 

 

I bet those with cars that have 11kw chargers on board will be glad of the 7mile.

20 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ tosh. Total tosh.    Lots of the. 1.2 million EV, wil be from the slower max charge generation..  the people maybe without home chargers. 

 

I think 150 kw charging is quite average now and should be the minimum for any installed new chargers.  The average EV now is between 60 and 80 kwh batteries, yes about a quarter are below that and a quarter of above that but I gather about half are in the 60 to 80 kwh range so tree quarters with 60 kwh and above, even Model S of a decade ago are above 60.

 

My smaller battery Scenic worked out as not a lot more than £30k so hardly expensive compared to most modern cars ie minis, Superbs etc.

with the Scenic, and most Renaults, arrive with 7% or more. With mine 15 minutes will take it from 7% to 58%, itw ill still be charging at over 100 kWs but a good time to bog off as it will dip quite a bit when it gets in to the 60% ie at 70% it will be down to just over 90 kWs.  remember to precondition which has to be done Google 12 App and it will not precon if battery is as low as 7% I gather.  I find similar lithium battery response on my hope batteries, hate that first few percent and the BMS protects that the battery gradually increasing current and voltage.    

 

charge curve.pdfcharge curve.pdf

 

 

14 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

I bet those with cars that have 11kw chargers on board will be glad of the 7mile.

 

As Renault we either have 22 kW AC or some have 43 kW AC but I think I would go and find a nice Rapid DC giving up to 150 kW DC which are quite common these days.

Edited 10 December, 20241 yr by lol-lol

@lol-lolAverage.!   i do not think so.  

Plenty not just MINI Electrics of which there are many thousands in the UK max 50 kW charging. 

 

@Stonekeeper There are still Stellantis cars with only 7 kW AC onboard and then 100 kW DC Max charging.

There was only 7 kW AC up to 2021 before the 11 kW option was available. 

 

Then we have PHEV,s that need charged. 

Maybe bigger batteries but not that fast charging. LR ones, Skoda / VW Group. 

 

@lol-lolPS,

it really is not all about and your business miles and paid much more than the electricity costs you if we take the AVERAGE of your Offpeak & Public charging. 

Edited 10 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Just get a TESLA.  or Just get one of the Newest Renaults,

you should have Just got an electric car / taxi / van from the last few years but you if have one from more than a few years ago or you are just so out of step with things. 

Remember you are likely below average in what you have and maybe even the owner of the vehicle not a renter with the assistance of the HMRC / UK Tax payers to run your cheaper cost transport.

Edited 10 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

How big are batteries on those cars with 50 kW max? 

 

On my first-gen Leaf, with right battery temperature (mild summer's day, not too cold, not too hot, it hasn't got thermal management), 15min could recover over 40%, as long as plugged in below 30%. It's a significant portion of the battery. 

 

Another possibility is that the sign for max stay hasn't been replaced yet for the new chargers. That is the typical restriction for petrol station parking spaces. 

But I think easonable time frame start from 30min, 60min is about right middle ground. 90 min is on the leasurely side. 

 

36 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

I bet those with cars that have 11kw chargers on board will be glad of the 7mile.

Remember this is DC rapid charging. It wouldn't be speed restricted by the car's on-board chargers. 

Your Enyaq should have a figure for rapid charging speed. 100 kW? It should also have a quoted time for typical 10-80% with ideal charger in ideal conditions. 

5 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

How big are batteries on those cars with 50 kW max? 

 

On my first-gen Leaf, with right battery temperature (mild summer's day, not too cold, not too hot, it hasn't got thermal management), 15min could recover over 40%, as long as plugged in below 30%. It's a significant portion of the battery. 

 

Another possibility is that the sign for max stay hasn't been replaced yet for the new chargers. That is the typical restriction for petrol station parking spaces. 

But I think easonable time frame start from 30min, 60min is about right middle ground. 90 min is on the leasurely side. 

 

Remember this is DC rapid charging. It wouldn't be speed restricted by the car's on-board chargers. 

Your Enyaq should have a figure for rapid charging speed. 100 kW? It should also have a quoted time for typical 10-80% with ideal charger in ideal conditions. 

 

Thanks for that, I believe my enyaq can charge at 100kw possibly more the flap has a C K L in it which i think refers to AC + DC charge.

 

I think the C is AC type 2 and the K is DC ? and the L is DC more? but not sure of the actual limits.

Edited 10 December, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

6 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

How big are batteries on those cars with 50 kW max? 

 

On my first-gen Leaf, with right battery temperature (mild summer's day, not too cold, not too hot, it hasn't got thermal management), 15min could recover over 40%, as long as plugged in below 30%. It's a significant portion of the battery. 

 

Another possibility is that the sign for max stay hasn't been replaced yet for the new chargers. That is the typical restriction for petrol station parking spaces. 

But I think easonable time frame start from 30min, 60min is about right middle ground. 90 min is on the leasurely side. 

 

Remember this is DC rapid charging. It wouldn't be speed restricted by the car's on-board chargers. 

Your Enyaq should have a figure for rapid charging speed. 100 kW? It should also have a quoted time for typical 10-80% with ideal charger in ideal conditions. 

 

A well cooled lithium battery can start its charge at over twice the battery capacity 60 kW battery nominal, charging at just over 130 kWs meaning a C of 2.03.

Yes it starts "throttling" back as it hits about 2/3rd full.  Oddly the bigger 87 kW battery pack as in the Scenic, and Araya, starts significant throttling at 45%, ouch.

Might be that it is much more tightly packed than by 63 kW battery pack and the cooling is less effective on the big battery, quite noticeable. Battery pack half as big again but charging best speed on 10% better and actually worse in the top part of the State of Charge. Since the smaller battery is a fe percent more efficient, not carrying about another 100 kgs of battery.  Just need an excuse to do the longer journey and have the need to charge as these trips of 250 miles or less mean I do not have to public charge.  Which is fine.

Still waiting for Octopus to say whether the 8.5p per KWh is going up in January 2025, they do leave it very late each quarter. 

   

BMW i3 or MINI Electrics with a 50 kW max charge speed can be a 33 kWh battery or 38 with the BMW.

18 kW Smart EQ,s but they are AC only charging. 

 

if a 30 kWh battery  charging can take 60 mins to get a charge then 15 minutes charging is taking the Michael really. 

100 mile range but maybe only 90 taking an hour or more to get.

 

 

Edited 10 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

BMW i3 or MINI Electrics with a 50 kW max charge speed can be a 33 kWh battery or 38 with the BMW.

18 kW Smart EQ,s but they are AC only charging. 

 

if a 30 kWh battery  charging can take 60 mins to get a charge then 15 minutes charging is taking the Michael really. 

100 mile range but maybe only 90 taking an hour or more to get.

 

On the other side of the coin the EVs with slightly bigger than average and quick charging speeds are showing that EV charging can make only a few percent difference than a very good petrol car, in this case an Acura (Honda V6 turbo).

 

US coast to coast, over 3000 miles.   Boston to Seattle on the i90. 

44 hours 20 minutes for the Honda ICE but the Taycan only 2 hours behind and the other EVs between about 48 and a half for the cheapest TESLA ie the Model 3 LR Highland which costs about £35k in the US, think it is about £45K in the UK but obviously there are some great Salary Sacrifice deals for presumable around £400  a month.     

 

Now like to see this done on the Canadian Highway 1 which is closer to 5K miles !  Summary below start at around 3 hrs 10 mins.  3 driver teams I think to be safe.

Porsche 800v architecture, like Hyundai and Kia have also a real plus I suspect.  I would have an e-tron GT. Clients can be so negative if one turns up in a Porsche.

 

 

Edited 10 December, 20241 yr by lol-lol