Not all about CO2.     You just quoted. read what you quoted. 

23 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Not all about CO2.     You just quoted. read what you quoted. 

That was just a off the cuff reply to @wyx087 when he quoted CO2.

 

I do really understand that it is not just CO2 and that burning fossil fuel is not good, but that does not detract from the fact that, man kind is making vast strides in improvements of all kinds across many things, but what gets up lots of peoples' noses is this constant banging on about how dreadfully bad we are for still using ICE when we should be embracing electrification and how wonderfully green it is when it really is not anywhere near as green as some claim it is. Also about how much cheapness can be had from driving electric by charging at home and how some folk constantly bang that drum and how they must have their eyes wired shut because they fail to see the reality that there are far more people who cannot enjoy home charging than there is who can, and also how electric cars are not the solution for loads of people, even those who could indeed charge at home with ease.

 

I don't go around trying to preach to anybody who has made the choice of switching over to electric that they have made the wrong move etc, I respect that it is their chosen method of transport and that at the point of usage there is virtually zero emissions. Yet many of these same people are always telling us who drive ICE vehicles that we are using filthy polluting dinosaur juice etc. As I mentioned earlier, many people who drive ICE might just love to have an electric vehicle but because of where they live, and their personal circumstances simply cannot have an electric car, but these electric car enthusiasts simply cannot respect that and will at every opportunity attempt to demonise those who are not into the whole electric ethos, lock stock and barrel.

There are EV drivers still with ICE vehicles and will drive ICE vehicles.

They are having a discussion not preaching.

It is good to talk, and listen to their debatable points.

 

They are not doing the scare mongering stuff, just talking about the real world now, and maybe what is coming. 

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

There are EV drivers still with ICE vehicles and will drive ICE vehicles.

They are having a discussion not preaching.

It is good to talk, and listen to their debatable points.

 

They are not doing the scare mongering stuff, just talking about the real world now, and maybe what is coming. 

Likewise, I'm not doing scaremongering stuff either, just highlighting that these current batteries do come with some massive drawbacks and IMO it is wrong to push this mandate onto people before we truly fully understand the implications implied by it and how we can mitigate against it. We are being used as the guinea pigs in this, just as we have always done before in every major step forwards and those in a position of power are never putting themselves at risk.

 

17 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

but what gets up lots of peoples' noses is this constant banging on about how dreadfully bad we are for still using ICE when we should be embracing electrification and how wonderfully green it is when it really is not anywhere near as green as some claim it is.

What claim is this and why is EV not anywhere near as green? Care to cite anything meaningful?

 

What makes this post special that you feel I am talking about "how dreadfully bad" for driving ICE vehicle? This is the post that kicked off your latest rant isn't it?

15 hours ago, wyx087 said:

As I keep saying, the electrical grid is getting cleaner..... and so will every EV in the country.

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I don't go around trying to preach to anybody who has made the choice of switching over to electric that they have made the wrong move etc,

1 minute ago, Graham Butcher said:

I'm not doing scaremongering stuff either, just highlighting that these current batteries do come with some massive drawbacks

If only there is the irony award.

9 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

 

What claim is this and why is EV not anywhere near as green? Care to cite anything meaningful?

 

What makes this post special that you feel I am talking about "how dreadfully bad" for driving ICE vehicle? This is the post that kicked off your latest rant isn't it?

 

 

 

If only there is the irony award.

This is just typical, these discussions have been had, and I'm not going to repeat past discussions, just so you can carry on again. Oh and for the record, I'm not having a rant either.

Edited 11 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

There is no way that i would suggest to anyone without Home or Workplace charging cheaply or without discounted public charging to get a BEV for private use and buying / renting using their own money which they get after tax. 

 

The cost of electricity in the UK is  nonsense and really shows the Social divide or Business / Commercial users or purely private vehicle users for personal use. 

But not just vehicles because also their homes, and being on Smart Meters or not, and being able to get OffPeak tariffs or not, then regional differences on tariffs and standing charges. 

21 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

There is no way that i would suggest to anyone without Home or Workplace charging cheaply or without discounted public charging to get a BEV for private use and buying / renting using their own money which they get after tax. 

 

The cost of electricity in the UK is  nonsense and really shows the Social divide or Business / Commercial users or purely private vehicle users for personal use. 

But not just vehicles because also their homes, and being on Smart Meters or not, and being able to get OffPeak tariffs or not, then regional differences on tariffs and standing charges. 

The voice of reasoning, well said.

53 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

This is just typical, these discussions have been had, and I'm not going to repeat past discussions, just so you can carry on again. Oh and for the record, I'm not having a rant either.

 

It's extremely simple. You don't like EV's because you feel left out. That's completely okay, solutions are being developed, nothing is being banned right now.

But you also don't need to defend ICE vehicles. There is nothing what so ever gained other than showing lack of reading comprehension.

 

Why do people need to repeat themselves?

Do I have to continuously repeat myself so that I don't get painted as unbalanced:

I've never, ever, said EV is the right solution for everyone right now. I'd also not recommend people without home charging capability to jump in to the deep end.

By continuously pointing out improvements in electrical generation and EV, I'm trying to bring awareness and challenge outdated views. Nothing more.

 

I just stopped and help a lady start charging her Zoe.

She knew if needed the CCS, it was not reading her RFID car or starting.

That was because the lights were RED.  Probably a child or ignorant adult charging hit the Emergency Stop but never restarted the charger.

She did not know if not the 2 lights were Green the charger would not work.  The 43kW AC on the side was green.

 

I turned the Stop Knob for 10 Seconds and pulled it out, reset in 20 seconds. 

She said she knows how they work and was grateful for a bit more instruction.       

*I know the car that was charging when i went past a little earlier and i will try to see if they are the driver that keeps leaving the charger looking out of order.*

Edited 11 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

55 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

 

It's extremely simple. You don't like EV's because you feel left out. That's completely okay, solutions are being developed, nothing is being banned right now.

But you also don't need to defend ICE vehicles. There is nothing what so ever gained other than showing lack of reading comprehension.

 

Why do people need to repeat themselves?

Do I have to continuously repeat myself so that I don't get painted as unbalanced:

I've never, ever, said EV is the right solution for everyone right now. I'd also not recommend people without home charging capability to jump in to the deep end.

By continuously pointing out improvements in electrical generation and EV, I'm trying to bring awareness and challenge outdated views. Nothing more.

 

Who said I feel left out, I never, keep on making it up as you go.

 

I have always said that currently an EV does not suit me because of the way that I use my car and if forced into one it would cost me a lot of time faffing about looking for and then recharging it in order to make it back home again at the end of a long day when I'm at a venue that has no charging available to me. If I was just nipping about my city then I possibly would have one as I could possibly save a lot of money then. So maybe you need more reading comprehension.

 

Electric cars I have always said, do have a place, but they are also not for everyone and also there are a lot of risks that come with them, they are still new technology, and we have much to learn yet. I also say that we are trying to run before we are ready for them to become mainstream.

9 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Who said I feel left out, I never, keep on making it up as you go.

 

I have always said that currently an EV does not suit me because of the way that I use my car and if forced into one it would cost me a lot of time faffing about looking for and then recharging it in order to make it back home again at the end of a long day when I'm at a venue that has no charging available to me. If I was just nipping about my city then I possibly would have one as I could possibly save a lot of money then. So maybe you need more reading comprehension.

Come on now. Why the extreme defensive response?

Let me remind you that you have not pointed out any reason why you might want to own EV. So there is nothing to read over last page or so.

 

11 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

there are a lot of risks that come with them, they are still new technology, and we have much to learn yet.

Care to expand on this so everyone would know exactly what you are saying? What areas that we must learn?

Don't forget well cited references to back up your assertions.

 

Let's be reminded that even with ZEV mandate over next few years, EV is by no means mainstream until after 2035. Cars are kept on the road for a long time.

I do not see anyway that the Government in the UK, or Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland are really encouraging anyone other than business's to go Electric. 

I can not see anyway that anything to do with the infrastructure for public charging will be helped by anything the governments do.

 

They could set up Companies that give training and also do direct labour / ground works at charging hubs and installation of EV chargers.

These 'Youth / Adult employment schemes could do Commercial Work for other businesses, for local authorities and do home installations.

 

Basically privatisation of EV charging installers, but working with Commercial Concerns and not to undercut them.  Help get out the trained people required how can maybe even become Contractors / Sole Traders / Business.s.

 

Get the Planning in order and Local Authorities.  Battery Storage is required, and solar canopies etc.

And no Land Banking and no Permission given to those who do not own the land while those that do own it are blocked / refused planning.

 

 

Bless me Father for i have sinned.

 

With the colder weather  i was a few miles short of my required range so I popped in to Frankley Services, went up to the TESLA V4 charger banks and took some of the Devil's juice.

 

Super easy, Zoe only charged at 45 kws i presume but I add 23 miles in 6 minutes and it cost me £2.30 according to the screen. Took £20 as deposit but should get the £17.70 back before the weekend i suppose.

 

Those V4 did not accept American Express oddly, will get on to one of my daughter other half who works for Am Ex as that is my weapon of choice.

 

I can see why the Teslarati like all things TESLA. Screen was a bit small for my fading mince pies and I prefer to drive in rather than reverse in. Cable and plug easy to use. 9 out of 10 i reckon.

 

Price was about 50p a kwh i think, hikes at 1600 hours but I was there about 1530 so got the off peak rate.

 

Hope both Gridserve and TESLA tie up with Electroverse, another 8% discount would be good too.

Ionity still my favourite i think but nice to know TESLA chargers are very good 

 

Edited 11 December, 20241 yr by lol-lol

@lol-lol Is that you getting 5 miles to a kWh if 4.6 kWh gets you 23 miles?

10 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol Is that you getting 5 miles to a kWh if 4.6 kWh gets you 23 miles?

 

Zoe had been showing 4.7 miles per kwh today after a reset this morning.

Have been getting 4.9 when slightly warmer, 5 is so difficult to keep on the screen for the Zoe.

 

Generally pleased.

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

The £40,000 Luxury VED is on the List Price.  It matters not if you get it for under £40,000 because of a discount. 

 

@Graham Butcher If he just stuck to actual facts then that would be something.

The crazy exaggeration about Milk Floats and range.

Yes Stellantis 50 kWh usable batteries might only do 3.5 miles a kWh, so 150 miles and a bit from the latest. 

He says the insides all the same,  and guesses a Mokka will be the same as a Peugeot, or a Citroen, they are very different from each others inside. 

Edited 11 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

25 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Any thoughts?

 

 

 

He quotes the brands and models that are failing or, like MG, being targeted at the UK as we are out of step with EU and other countries who have introduced massive countercailing tariffs.

On the website for Renault Scenic buyers they are screaming for the dealers to get their cars cleared through Portbury docks Bristol ASAP.

 

9 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The £40,000 Luxury VED is on the List Price.  It matters not if you get it for under £40,000 because of a discount. 

 

Guy is a no naught pillock. As someone from the Devon & Cornwall peninsula he is strengthening the story we are thick Wurzels sadly.

 

Damn, just been an Octopus saving session between 6 pm and 7 pm and I missed it. refunding 60p.  Probably do not use much in that time slot anyways, probably about 0.5 a kwh so no real lose.

 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Any thoughts?

 

 

Depreciation is capital lost on the actual price you paid, not on a nominal list price.

3 hours ago, Ootohere said:

The £40,000 Luxury VED is on the List Price.  It matters not if you get it for under £40,000 because of a discount. 

 

@Graham Butcher If he just stuck to actual facts then that would be something.

The crazy exaggeration about Milk Floats and range.

Yes Stellantis 50 kWh usable batteries might only do 3.5 miles a kWh, so 150 miles and a bit from the latest. 

He says the insides all the same,  and guesses a Mokka will be the same as a Peugeot, or a Citroen, they are very different from each others inside. 

I know what you mean about the range claims, BUT, what we don't actually know is just what the SOC was when he picked them up from the airfield or just what problems he encountered on the delivery drive or when trying to get charged and rather than point fingers without the full facts, I'm happy to sit on the fence on that issue. His claims about the discounting and the build quality however might well be indicative, as he claimed of the true state of the market.

@Graham Butcher  I have watched his videos as he posted them so i did see the problems he caused himself to have.

He was collected vehicles and not then looking at getting charged to know he was good to go, or paying much attention to it was a BEV he was driving for Gain or Reward / Work. 

 

He is on about the state of the market & discounting we have been discussing all this year, who are the people that he thinks he knows better than that are non believers. 

He is just one of the many Vloggers that have been repeating the stuff on vehicles, pile them high, and eventually sell them low.

You also spotted registered vehicles, and like him really did not know what they actually were or why where they were there. 

 

.........................

He had driven Stellantis Cars before this, so forewarned is forearmed getting in a van..   

2 battery sizes, same as the cars were which was 50 kWh with 45 kWh usable, or the 75 kWh one. Which this is not.

 

Economy mode does not give the best range on a motorway / dual carriageway.

But you just need to try 5 miles in each mode and you would see that.

 

"But A i am not paying!" 

 So get on and start the charge and then do your 2nd job being a Vlogger and HMRC will be able to tax you on the income from that job. Youtube video maker. 

Not many overheads as while doing the main job the vehicles and charging costs are being paid and not costing you....

 

50 kWh Battery, but only 45 kWh useable battery (small battery), 

3.5 miles a kWh x 42 kwH. is 147 miles, they only get 3 miles a kWh though. 126 miles and not empty. 

**It can charge at UP TO 100 kW, but here is on 50 kW chargers.**

 

New Stellantis cars have the 50 kWh usable battery,

and the most efficient us the Citroen C4. 

 

Brain of Britain realises that from the coast which is at sea level to inland means going up hill. 

Also that Charging first then talk to camera is simply clever... 

Places to be and people to see and talk guff to. 

 

 

 

Edited 12 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere