He has done his sums.

Maybe not watched 'Dave's Video though..

just 

 

Edited 16 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

He has done his sums.

Maybe not watched 'Dave's Video though..

just 

 

 

I have been involved in mass customs declarations out of bonded/customs warehouse, thousands of cars in one go.

 

The European cars will have no customs duty under the EU Trade Cooperation Agreement and Import VAT can be put to Postponed VAT Accounting meaning no cost of tax import but no EU, and it not covered by any other Preference Agreement would be subject to the 10% Ad Valorem customs duty based on the landed cost of the car. Be interesting as to what that value is compared to UK RRP.

 

So a big amount for BYD, Geely, SAIC etc to pay and they will want to get those tens of thousands of cars sold to customers, renters, mobility or whatever outlet they can and they should be a relative bargain.

 

The Bristol Portbury docks can contain well over 30k cars and there a several similar sites I have also worked at ie Immingham up on the Humber. Not all EVs of course but there will be all the vans etc as well which logistics companies would likely snap up by the thousand.

 

I would not be surprised to see the 1 in 4 cars being EVs go to 1 in 3 in December.

On 13/12/2024 at 07:16, Ootohere said:

This morning i heard a news story again about missing targets on Public EV charging and much more needs doing outwith London and the South West. 

Really it should not be Public Money needed for Public Charging as there should be the ability for Companies to make profits providing charging at realistic prices.

GREAT BRITISH ENERGY  as a company or really a Public Owned Agency needs to be ensuring the the Companies are allowed to get on and build charging hubs and the grid connections are not delayed. 

Where the public should be contributing is with publicly owned Waste Land / Brownfield sites not suitable for housing being made available to Businesses to lease and develop for the Charging Hubs / Transport Hubs, HGV Rest Stops etc. 

That is not just about on Motorways but in and around towns and cities. 

 

North West, England...   

This term FAST CHARGERS for 7 / 11 kW AC Charge Ports needs put to Bed.  SLOW AC Charging. Some are only 3.6 kW. 

I found his video to be at odds with what some members here keep claiming regarding queuing at chargers when other YouTubers state that they have had to wait in line at many charging locations for a charger to be become available, and that waiting has on some occasions been a rather lengthy wait before being able to get a charge in order to continue their journey. The usual response is that they say these things in order to rubbish electric cars or that they are using the wrong app etc, either way, they always claim that it is nonsense, so well done Dave for being factual and 100% honest on that front.

 

I hate to think about the size of those large charging hubs Dave speaks off with around 1,000 chargers, if they have the required clearance between cars the sheer size of the ground space required is staggering.

Sir Keir Starmer MP / PM is speaking right now in Norway and signing agreements.

Maybe he will learn more about things, and that the UK is not Norway, and neither is the UK London or just England.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

59 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

I don't know about the McMaster taking people for mugs, this person is taking what he says and twisting it totally out of context. Nobody is actually saying that you cannot do longer journeys in an EV, because it is plainly just stupid to say that because you can, but what you can't do in an EV is hold a candle to an ICE car unless you're one of these people who cannot go longer 2 hours without a comfort break or feel the need to keep stopping for something to eat or drink and at the same charge your car. Those of us who can drive for 4 or 5 hours or so without feeling the urge to do one or more of those things, can complete their journey in considerably less time and time to most people is an important factor. Also of course, in a lot of cases, complete the whole journey without needing to top fuel, but you may need a quick comfort break, which is not possible in an EV, currently.

 

Now in everyone of these trips he mentions that the McMaster did in his Taycan, he was up against a diesel car which always won the challenge by a massive margin and in some cases the McMaster was even unable to complete the challenge and had to divert off to the prearranged hotel because of driver fatigue and or, it would have taken him to the following day to do. 

 

That for some people might well be acceptable, but it is not for the majority of people and as for his trip of 50 miles each way, well that is hardly a difficult journey and depending on the type of roads, and of course his own driving style and speed could be well within the reach of I suggest most EVs with the SOC that he claimed. I find it hard to believe that given his mannerisms, that he drives at an energetic pace, I think he has a far more relaxed laid back pace so drives at a very economic speed and has regen on. I may be doing him a injustice there, but somehow I doubt.

Edited 17 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

He says it how he sees it. Which is odd sometimes like his 30% battery use.   25*oC setting in the car, toasty toasty, and heated seats and his swimming trunks maybe. 

No idea what he drives. 

 

He is just the Anti to MacMaster and his anti.    MacMaster sets up to fail. 

But gets the Video made, gets it posted, earns the pittance and keeps on keeping on driving the Taycan. 

 

PS

Or is the beardy man playing a character like the MacMaster is, for Entertainment reasons.

There was a member from this forum says he knows Lee Davey and he is not really like in the videos.    So less of a plonker, or more!

Edited 17 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

I drove to Birmingham and back over the weekend. It was really difficult....... I had to stop and pee, just can't hold it in any longer!

People who can drive 3+ hours really must have iron bladder. 😜

 

 

Longest was 1 hour 44 minutes started fresh from home on Sunday morning, only managed 100 miles despite driving "at speed limit" majority of the time.

 

Plugged in for a top up whilst I emptied my bladder, decided to get something to eat as it was almost 12. Then I had too much and didn't charge anywhere else, arrived home at 30%.

 

There were destination charge points at the car park I parked overnight in city centre, there were more chargers when I stopped to pee on the return journey. There were also a charger at the restaurant on the way back. Chargers everywhere, could have easily done it with any 40 kWh EV.

11 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

He says it how he sees it. Which is odd sometimes like his 30% battery use.   25*oC setting in the car, toasty toasty, and heated seats and his swimming trunks maybe. 

No idea what he drives. 

 

He is just the Anti to MacMaster and his anti.    MacMaster sets up to fail. 

But gets the Video made, gets it posted, earns the pittance and keeps on keeping on driving the Taycan. 

 

PS

Or is the beardy man playing a character like the MacMaster is, for Ente😂rtainment reasons.

There was a member from this forum says he knows Lee Davey and he is not really like in the videos.    So less of a plonker, or more!

Who knows for sure 😊

HMRC hopefully.    He is like Lorraine Kelly.  Not playing herself, playing being the entertainer. 

 

So Lee Davey, Journalist / food - travel reviewer, Graphic Designer. Publisher - vlogger. 

 There are expenses involved in that work self employed.  Overheads a plenty including your vehicle.  Tool of the trade.  Worth a mention.

10 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

I drove to Birmingham and back over the weekend. It was really difficult....... I had to stop and pee, just can't hold it in any longer!

People who can drive 3+ hours really must have iron bladder. 😜

 

 

Longest was 1 hour 44 minutes started fresh from home on Sunday morning, only managed 100 miles despite driving "at speed limit" majority of the time.

 

Plugged in for a top up whilst I emptied my bladder, decided to get something to eat as it was almost 12. Then I had too much and didn't charge anywhere else, arrived home at 30%.

 

There were destination charge points at the car park I parked overnight in city centre, there were more chargers when I stopped to pee on the return journey. There were also a charger at the restaurant on the way back. Chargers everywhere, could have easily done it with any 40 kWh EV.

I'm not disputing that any 40kWh EV would do it, but it does come at a time cost. I find that even at 75 years old on the 20th this month, I can still drive for 4 or 5 hours without the need to stop to empty my bladder, mind you, once I do stop and get out of the car or my chair at home, I very soon feel the that need then. As to stopping to grab a bite to eat or drink because its 12, well that has never bothered me, I often manage to go all day from breakfast time, right round to around 6 or 7pm before needing to eat again, I have never ever been a slave to toilet or food breaks and I have driven professionally for most of my working life including a few years of truck driving living in my cab 5 to 6 days a week all over the British Isles in all kinds of weather conditions, even in Northern Ireland during the height of the IRA campaign there and seen loads of devastation there as a result.

 

I see that you actually managed to beat the normal average speed for such a trip as well, so I suspect that you either live right close to the motorway and your destination was alongside the motorway, or you did exceed the speed limit for part of the trip. All my experience tells me that usually, the overall average speed is 50 to 56mph keeping within the limit, you did 69mph.  

4 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I'm not disputing that any 40kWh EV would do it, but it does come at a time cost.

 

I see that you actually managed to beat the normal average speed for such a trip as well, so I suspect that you either live right close to the motorway and your destination was alongside the motorway, or you did exceed the speed limit for part of the trip. All my experience tells me that usually, the overall average speed is 50 to 56mph keeping within the limit, you did 69mph.  

With same driving pattern and stopping at same locations (where every single location had charging facility, I didn't choose any of stopping location for charging, I simply saw they were plentiful) for same periods of time. An imaginary 40 kWh EV would have spent the same amount of time due to my comfort break needs.

 

That was my point, my comfort break needs appear to be suitable to smaller battery EV. And EV chargers seems to be at every location I stopped.

 

I live near North Circular London, Sunday morning took less than 15min to get on M1. The data presented was from home to M40 Warwick service north bound. So motorway most of the way. Can't get any faster than that.

 

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

With same driving pattern and stopping at same locations (where every single location had charging facility, I didn't choose any of stopping location for charging, I simply saw they were plentiful) for same periods of time. An imaginary 40 kWh EV would have spent the same amount of time due to my comfort break needs.

 

That was my point, my comfort break needs appear to be suitable to smaller battery EV. And EV chargers seems to be at every location I stopped.

 

I live near North Circular London, Sunday morning took less than 15min to get on M1. The data presented was from home to M40 Warwick service north bound. So motorway most of the way. Can't get any faster than that.

 

So, as per my thoughts on EV ownership and driving, they are ideal if you can charge at home first and foremost, secondly, if you can get sufficient charge stuffed into the battery on longer trips in the time taken for your comfort breaks (bearing in mind that not everyone feels the need for such frequent need of a break) etc, and you can always rely on a charge at the places that you either stop at or if need be at your destination etc. Then an EV does become a bit of a no-brainer on financial grounds, if you are doing enough miles a year to offset the extra cost of the car in the first place (I'm talking here about new cars) if that suits your lifestyle and time requirements. 

 

 

We are now where a new EV need not cost more than a new ICE car of the same interior size.  Be that the RRP, or the 'Cost to buy' price. 

 

I think we know now that depending on the BEV size, battery size that they need charged every 2, 3, 4 5 or maybe 6 hours of driving, assuming going 50 miles in an hour or so,

As to those that can charge at home or work and return trips with no public charging then same thing. What car / battery and how far you go,

 

No brainer financially if you can charge and go each 100 miles for maybe £2.50 or less cheap tariff electric.

Or the HMRC / Government / General Public are helping you be taxed less on a company / business use car. 

 

If it does not suit your lifestyle or temperament then surely it is as with any vehicle / transport, use something else that does suit. 

Unless you are a delivery driver, or employee landed with what you are given. 

 

Jaguar is in the news again and a whistleblower has been sacked.

 

JLR whistleblower sacked for publishing concerns about VinFast cars - BBC News

What is BBC doing!? 

 

Article title: "Jaguar Land Rover electric car whistleblower sacked" 

Quote

He told the BBC that in test-driving prototypes, designed by Tata Technologies for Vietnamese car maker Vinfast, he identified improperly designed components in the car's chassis, including its suspension system.

At low mileages, some of them were snapping off, he said.

That created a risk that under stress, such as hitting a pothole at speed, the wheels could become misaligned, causing the car to veer to the left or right without prompting, and the driver could lose control, Mr Denli added.

 

The news story wouldn't get read if the title was truthful: "Whistleblower on Vinfast vehicle suspension sacked". 

 

There is nothing related to existing or future JLR electric car in this article, the design fault could surface on any vehicle manufacturer with any powertrain. 

22 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

What is BBC doing!? 

 

Article title: "Jaguar Land Rover electric car whistleblower sacked" 

 

The news story wouldn't get read if the title was truthful: "Whistleblower on Vinfast vehicle suspension sacked". 

 

There is nothing related to existing or future JLR electric car in this article, the design fault could surface on any vehicle manufacturer with any powertrain. 

Apparently, he did enough damage that JLR fired him, so its my guess that as both companies are owned by Tata that they use common parts and in particular the parts that are failing on Vinfast vehicles and are currently under investigation in the USA. 

10 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Apparently, he did enough damage that JLR fired him, so its my guess that as both companies are owned by Tata that they use common parts and in particular the parts that are failing on Vinfast vehicles and are currently under investigation in the USA. 

The problems that Jaguar and Vinfast vehicles are under investigation for are completely different, Jaguar EVs have ongoing problems with the EV batteries possibly causing fires but Vinfast have problems with suspension component failures which it is thought have caused crashes resulting in injuries and even deaths.

46 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

The problems that Jaguar and Vinfast vehicles are under investigation for are completely different, Jaguar EVs have ongoing problems with the EV batteries possibly causing fires but Vinfast have problems with suspension component failures which it is thought have caused crashes resulting in injuries and even deaths.

As often happens in news outlets of all types, there is a grain of truth in there somewhere. In this case, it is probably the whistleblower was involved in the engineering side of Vinfast parts but based in the UK at JLR which would account for him being fired. Maybe there is more on this still to come out? 

Edited 18 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

50 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

 In this case, it is probably the whistleblower was involved in the engineering side of Vinfast parts but based in the UK at JLR which would account for him being fired.

The BBC News article explains the circumstances, it's worth reading. Here's my precis of that article:

 

The whistleblower worked for Tata Technology in the UK which does much of the background work for both Vinfast and Jaguar but was assigned to the Vinfast suspension design. He saw the suspension design was too fragile and failed early in tests (15,000km not 150,000km) and advised Vinfast management to redesign the suspension components but Vinfast management ignored this and went into production with the (in his opinion) sub-standard suspension parts. Unhappy with being ignored he changed jobs to work directly for JLR and subsequently saw reports of the suspension failures on Vinfast vehicles in the US. He chose to become a whistleblower and posted anonymously on social media about the testing failures. Tata worked out that he was the only person with that knowledge and as JLR are also owned by Tata advised JLR of their concerns that he could also leak information about JLR vehicles. On the basis of this it is alleged that JLR sacked him.

Interesting financial model for TESLA Public Supercharge EV chargers.

 

Stopped at the excellent, for charging, Frankley services Southbound and thought I would give these supposedly marvellous TESLA V4 superchargers a go.  Was only in the Zoe so best I was going to get was 46 kw from these 250 kw beasties.  Plugged in nice and easy, Zoe charge point is on the nose so drove in rather than reversing of course. 

 

Flashed the Am Ex card on the contactless payment pad, no likey, hmm, so used the mastercard which it liked and after a few moments it started to charge.  Screen very small compared to other chargers.  Was getting my 4 miles a minute of so being added which is the best I probably could expect, only needed a handful of kWh as I was in a few miles of negative range to get to Worcester some 20 miles a way and I only had about 16 miles. Probably would have made it but thought test them out.  Obviously preferable to the Gridserve chargers at 79p per kWh, could have gone on the 11 kW I suppose which charges 49 p per kWh.  TESLA charge 59 p per kWh except at peak 4-8 pm when it charges 74 p per kWh.

 

Six minutes later had plenty of charge ie showing over 40 miles so pressed the disconnect on the Zoe and returned the charging cable to its holder.  Little screen said £2.33 of charge taken and I set on my merry way.  Check online bank account next day and it shows a £20 pending TESLA charge, no problem and expected £17.67 to be returned in a couple of days.  A week later the £20 disappears but no £2.33 charge replaces it.  Weird. Did Elon just give me 4 kWh of lecky for free or can I expect the £2.33 to pop in sometime in the next days and weeks ?

 

Will rock along there in the Scenic soon and see if I can get the 130 kW charging speed it is supposed to be able to get, might get around 34 kWh ie £20 worth, or maybe not as do not want to pass Elon a penny more than necessary as he might only go and give it to the Reform party.  Cannot imagine getting a couple litres of fuel from a petrol station and them saying ahh, not worth charging for ?      Good chargers though.

    

I have used BP Pulse chargers that are on the Charge Place Scotland network 3 times now started with Electroverse card and not been charged anything.

3 weeks ago and 2 weeks ago twice. 

 

 

 

Edited 18 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

🐙 GO night rate stays at 8.5 p per kwh, no price rise, horray !!!

 

Day rate up a bit but I use/download most of my lecky during the night, two EV charging and portable solar generator batteries, so great news.

 

Happy days, or rather happy Nights.

 

F in hell.   Doh.

The 100 miles on Autotrader is when you look at New Vans and choose Electric and up to how many miles a New Van has done.  

As in Delivery Miles.

New van not covered more than 100 miles.   Not a new van with only a range of 100 miles.  

 

 

Edited 19 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere