This morning i heard a news story again about missing targets on Public EV charging and much more needs doing outwith London and the South West. 

Really it should not be Public Money needed for Public Charging as there should be the ability for Companies to make profits providing charging at realistic prices.

GREAT BRITISH ENERGY  as a company or really a Public Owned Agency needs to be ensuring the the Companies are allowed to get on and build charging hubs and the grid connections are not delayed. 

Where the public should be contributing is with publicly owned Waste Land / Brownfield sites not suitable for housing being made available to Businesses to lease and develop for the Charging Hubs / Transport Hubs, HGV Rest Stops etc. 

That is not just about on Motorways but in and around towns and cities. 

 

North West, England...   

This term FAST CHARGERS for 7 / 11 kW AC Charge Ports needs put to Bed.  SLOW AC Charging. Some are only 3.6 kW. 

 

 

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

^^^ When the Issa Brothers took over ASDA the Competition and Market Authority CMA),  Ex Monopolies Commission (MMC) got involved.

Supposedly with the EG Filling Stations already owned / run they had to sell ones off.

 

The UK Government are possibly going to be in a position where TESLA EV Charging is has the monopoly over public EV charging in the UK, or England.

 

If Reform UK ever form the UK Government then there might be Nigel Ferage, Richard Tice, Nick Candy & Elon Musk running the country.

Which of those are very big in Investments Electric Vehicles and Property ownership or Leasing?

29 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ When the Issa Brothers took over ASDA the Competition and Market Authority CMA),  Ex Monopolies Commission (MMC) got involved.

Supposedly with the EG Filling Stations already owned / run they had to sell ones off.

 

The UK Government are possibly going to be in a position where TESLA EV Charging is has the monopoly over public EV charging in the UK, or England.

 

If Reform UK ever form the UK Government then there might be Nigel Ferage, Richard Tice, Nick Candy & Elon Musk running the country.

Which of those are very big in Investments Electric Vehicles and Property ownership or Leasing?

A clear example of how vested interests corrupt governments, such events and industry lobbies and think tanks should have no place in politics anywhere never.

15 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

A clear example of how vested interests corrupt governments, such events and industry lobbies and think tanks should have no place in politics anywhere never.

Corruption goes both ways:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/09/climate-leadership-council-big-oil-thinktank

https://eu.boell.org/en/2024/02/12/fossil-fuels-uk-net-zero

All throughout history, fossil fuel industry has had the biggest influence over many areas of government policies.

 

But let's be truthful, it is Tesla the company who sent the letter for mandate on lorries and EV subsidies from people buying ICE cars.

Meanwhile, ICE manufacturers do the exact opposite lobbying:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/business/uk-government-set-ease-electric-car-sales-targets-carmakers-2025

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/zev-mandate/

 

Swings and roundabouts.

4 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

-5 seconds?

TESLA predicted the power cut ?

I knew TESLA software was good but that is impressive.  Do you mean 5mS ?

 

I wonder if KRAKEN and TESLA software is going head to head anywhere ?

Kraken did support Williams F1, lots of air time with them usually crashing. Maybe next season it will look like a good investment with Carlos driving for them.

I was just happy Renault/Alpine got sixth and the 95M USD.

 

Must look in to some UPS stuff and security stiff too.  

The gateway detects the power cut, disengages contactors and then resumes providing power. I timed it, from me switching off grid isolator to lights come back on took around 5 seconds. Not very long but long enough to be noticeable and everything to reset. Hence need UPS.

Whereas If I press "go off grid" in the app, it knows before hand and can disengage contactor without anything resetting, not noticeable.

 

Battery systems usually is grid-following, sync with grid phase and measures current to match its inverter output to usage, tries to zero grid usage.

UPS is line interactive, meaning it is always sitting between input and output, output doesn't need to be in phase sync with input. So any drop in incoming voltage will simply take power from the battery. UPS is also suitable to lead acid battery to float at 13.6v fully charged until needed.

 

Though Giv-Gateway says impressive 20ms switchover time, I wonder how they achieved that. I seem to remember there's members here with Giv-Gateway, does your computer reset when you flip the grid isolator?  Who was it has the GivEnergy AIO?

 

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

 

I saw this one, tempted to attempt at making something. But there's not enough daylight these days.

 

I can show V2H, being self sufficient off-grid + charge on solar (only the capability, no sun this time of year 😞 ), convenience and low cost EV ownership.

^^^you should have been up in sunny Scotland then.  But maybe not enough sun right enough to get my 10 miles a day needed. Especially if getting only 2 miles to the kWh in the very cold weather .  Just have to use electric from the local Solar Farms and their Battery storage then. They seem ok as far as sunlight goes.     PS. Are you all down there not really using Green Energy from renewables while getting cheap tariffs,,?   

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 minute ago, Ootohere said:

Just have to use electric from the local Solar Farms and their Battery storage then. They seem ok as far as sunlight goes.     PS. Are you all down there not really using Green Energy from renewables while getting cheap tariffs,,?   

Solar generation scales well. I suspect the grid level battery storage has also done some buffering when the wind was blowing to help through last few days.

 

Cheap tariff is only cheap because I exclusively use off-peak. Per kWh is slightly more expensive than "up there", not enough difference but it's indicative.

I now think zonal pricing is the correct way forward.

On 21/10/2024 at 11:57, Graham Butcher said:

Of course, there is tax on tax, maybe more if we let them get away with it. You pay tax when you earn it, pay tax when you spend it and pay tax again when you save it. 

This is an amazing example of extortionate tax, compared to the actual value of the original product.

It's a bit of a reach, but it's still interesting to consider.

 

It is one ting killing the golden goose. But the UK Government takes the money and puts it into weapons / ammunition and gives it away.

As it is the farmers cost increased when Russia attacked the Ukraine and fertiliser , fuel /energy went high. 

 

The UK always there taxing and bringing in revenue and the wars go on.  They do not tax high enough the USA Weapons industry in the UK though, they give them grant aid.

 

They even gave Tax Relief to oil & gas companies in the North Sea to decommission rigs and some did and some sold them on and some are very much still in the North Sea with the licences they got from Russian and Chinese Companies. 

 

ED MILLIBAND MP being involved with Energy in the UK is really taking the Michael.

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

11 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Think about it logically then, why does a bus need to have a fuel gauge when they are normally used on known routes, exact length of route is a known, the number of trips it makes in a day is also known, the mpg is also a known, the size of the fuel tank is also a known, it is also a known that the bus starts its day from the depot and ends its day in the same depot, and it gets refuelled to the brim each and every night, before it gets parked up, so why make the bus overly complicated by adding in things that it does not need? The fuel consumption is all worked out in advance when planning the buses day, they all run to a timetable so there is no way that a bus can do more miles in a day, very often they do less because of heavy traffic will often lead to trips being cut short and another bus takes over the rest of the route in order to try and maintain some sort of timetable as they get fined if they are not able to keep within certain limits on timetables.

 

Each bus has a fleet number on it and the that particular fleet number is ticked off on a fleet chart and the amount of fuel it took to brim the tank is recorded against it. The crew will always drop the bus off at the fuel pump or in the queue for the pump, which is always located at the entrance to the depot and then the garage staff (like me) takes over the bus, fills it, and drives it through the washer, next to the pump and then drive it further inside the garage to find a bay to reverse into and leave it there for the morning. And on a freezing icy morning, the buses are (were) started and left idling in the garage to warm up before the crews arrive to take them out. And yes, we used to stuff a rag soaked in paraffin and attached to a long welding rod and burning, into the air intake while cranking the engine over with the half compression levers engaged to ease the cranking. I have already fully discussed this before with you.

 

I really don't understand why you have trouble believing it, have you any experience of buses, ever worked on buses? I would say that is a huge NO to that question, and that is why are struggling with it.

 

Too much waffle and denial to read plus all the photos of vintage vehicles, my question remains unanswered. do you really believe that buses and coaches, current ones not museum exhibits, do not have petrol gauges? This is the 3rd time asked either answer it or let your silence speak, spare us the waffle.

 

12 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

I really don't understand why you have trouble believing it, have you any experience of buses, ever worked on buses?

 

The question (still unanswered) was do you believe the sweeping statement you made, I have travelled on buses and coaches the world over and the majority would have had fuel gauges, you seem to have forgotten that your statement included coaches.

 

 

 

do you really believe that buses and coaches, current ones not museum pieces

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Corruption goes both ways:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/09/climate-leadership-council-big-oil-thinktank

https://eu.boell.org/en/2024/02/12/fossil-fuels-uk-net-zero

All throughout history, fossil fuel industry has had the biggest influence over many areas of government policies.

 

But let's be truthful, it is Tesla the company who sent the letter for mandate on lorries and EV subsidies from people buying ICE cars.

Meanwhile, ICE manufacturers do the exact opposite lobbying:

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/business/uk-government-set-ease-electric-car-sales-targets-carmakers-2025

https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/zev-mandate/

 

Swings and roundabouts.

Precisely my point, I dare say the whole diesel debacle was the result of big oil's lobbying governments. In fact vested interests have long played some very dark roles in history and this particularly true when it comes diesel as it would appear that the inventor of the diesel Rudolf Diesel was murdered by coal magnates in 1913 in an attempt to prevent his invention becoming popular because it had the potential to kill their market. The History And Origin Of Diesel Fuel – Kendrick Oil  

 

As an example of how ICE vehicles, and diesel engines in particular, have been making massive strides in cleaning up their emissions over the years have a look at the sulphur content has been reduced from around 2000ppm in 1994 over the space of 15 years to max of 10ppm and developments are on going to further clean up emissions. This table is extracted from Diesel fuel - Wikipedia.

 

Emission standard	At latest	Sulfur content	Cetane number
N/a	1 January 1994	max. 2000 ppm	min. 49
Euro 2	1 January 1996	max. 500 ppm	min. 49
Euro 3	1 January 2001	max. 350 ppm	min. 51
Euro 4	1 January 2006	max. 50 ppm	min. 51
Euro 5	1 January 2009	max. 10 ppm	min. 51

 

This video explains what is currently happening with Euro 7 engines. 

 

 

@J.R. So I don't show the dash of a coach then the Bristol RE is a very good coach, even today, it rides on air suspension as did Bristol FLF Lodekkas and also Bristol VR buses and coaches. These I have worked on and also driven extensively, and I stand by my claim. I don't deny that there might well be some modern ones that do have fuel gauges, I know of some that have been converted into RVs, and gauges added because their usage has changed but as pure PSV vehicles they do not need a fuel gauge for all the reasons that I mention, and you refuse to read and learn.

 

When used as passenger service vehicles, they travel strict routes, and total distances are all precalculated by their operators (not the drivers) and are known factors and service buses are refuelled fully each night and all routes are well within their safe range and coaches are refuelled at predetermined garages along their route and are where they also usually drop off or pickup new passengers, or have overnight stops so they are fixed locations and again well within the tanks range.

 

Seeing as this thread is supposed to be about electric cars, I'm not going to discuss this any further, I know the buses that I used to work on did not have them and neither do the current buses in my city and they aren't Bristols either. 

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

2 hours ago, EnterName said:

This is an amazing example of extortionate tax, compared to the actual value of the original product.

It's a bit of a reach, but it's still interesting to consider.

 

And what is more to the point is that they have done nothing at all in the production of that barley, or the alcohol, but they take the largest slice of profits. 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

When used as passenger service vehicles, they travel strict routes, and total distances are all precalculated by their operators (not the drivers) and are known factors and service buses are refuelled fully each night and all routes are well within their safe range and coaches are refuelled at predetermined garages along their route and are where they also usually drop off or pickup new passengers, or have overnight stops so they are fixed locations and again well within the tanks range.

Sounds perfect for to be battery powered: strict routes, total distance pre-calculated, refuel each night or at predetermined stops.

 

 

42 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Sounds perfect for to be battery powered: strict routes, total distance pre-calculated, refuel each night or at predetermined stops.

 

 

Yes, but I was of course referring to dedicated bus depots for the refuelling. And for coaches on tours those stops are/were always arranged at dedicated bus depots with other operators both nationally and internationally along its route. The coaches on international routes would have designated stops with hotels booked for the driver and passengers and once the driver had dropped his passengers off at the hotel, would then drive to the local depot, refuel, wash and clean the coach then drive back to the hotel for his rest period ready for the morning departure.

 

Sadly, while I was on the buses, we had an international coach driver die unexpectantly while on tour, his son was working alongside me on the engineering team at the time, bad few days all round. We had to fly another driver out to continue the tour.

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

45 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Sounds perfect for to be battery powered: strict routes, total distance pre-calculated, refuel each night or at predetermined stops.

 

 

 

Still think our recharging is the most elegant but I gather Stockholm has got the in the road system in trails now. Also the temp tram system between Frankfurt and Darmstadt is pretty cool too.   About 25s in.....

 

 

 

A 285 miles range seems fair enough.

Transport for Greater Manchester’s procurement plan envisages the purchase of a further 250 electric buses by 2027, which, like the 100 vehicles already delivered, have been co-financed by central government as part of the City Region Sustainable Transport Settlement programme.

Stagecoach plans to put a further 170 electric buses into service over the same period. Stagecoach operates various routes in the transport area. ADL and BYD had already jointly delivered 32 double-deckers, also of the Enviro 400 EV type, to Manchester in 2021/22.

 

 

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

Did someone say free charging?

 

 

 

JOLT gives 7 kWh for free every day. Today I had 10min spare and the charger were available.

But it was only 22 kW DC, so needed to stay 20min for the full free ~25 miles.

 

Edited 13 December, 20241 yr by wyx087

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Vauxhall issue is not the number of Sales or just First Registration of EV,s. In the UK. 

There are Legacy issues of being in the UK with it out of the EU. 

 

They were crazy with the pricing of the Corsa & Mokka electric but shifted many Brand new even during Covid Shutdown.

Some pricing is still just ridiculous.

Then the use of the Same platform for 3 different drivetrains. 

Edited 15 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

PS.

The Corsa Electric is built in Spain.

 

Edited 15 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere