Ooooh I hate those queues at theme parks.

 

4 hours ago, EnterName said:

Maybe have premium priced chargers accessible via a "Priority Queue" system, for those in a rush?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19712847

 

Then owners of flash German EVS could avoid having to queue with all the plebs in their Zoes and the like. 😋

Or they could just increase the number of chargers at each site?

13 hours ago, EnterName said:

Maybe have premium priced chargers accessible via a "Priority Queue" system, for those in a rush?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19712847   Then owners of flash German EVS could avoid having to queue with all the plebs in their Zoes and the like. 😋

 

If those DC charging station providers could alter their charging structure to put off us plebs in Zoes they could discourage us in our Zoes so we, for example, go on to any AC chargers rather than use the DC chargers I could understand that.  When I have gone on to an AC charger and if my little Zoe is drawing down say 25 or 30 kws I feel really bad if someone is waiting in their Audi e-tron GT or Porsche Taycan to charge and they would get 250 or more kW and get on their way quickly.

 

The Zoe is the fastest charging car on AC, Zoes can charge at 22 kWs and sometimes 43 kW on AC chargers if they are some of the better ones and I would gladly either move over to the AC chargers, if they are there and free up a powerful DC chargers for those EVs that can use it.  I have found the EV community super accommodating to each other, generally love to chat to each other about each other's cars, share experiences, keep on chatting to past the finish of charge time and no snobbery if one is driving an Audi, Renault or MG EV.  Very not like ICE ownership experience that I have found.  A lovely group of people.  Hope I never meet the Taycan guy, what a plonker. 

10 minutes in TESLA owner Rob Llewelyn states he can charge between twice and half as quick again as his TESLA on AC......

 

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by lol-lol

The dude from Harmony that has been refused planning permission to build a Solar Farm on prime farming land was on the Radio this morning.

They own the company (Not the land) and build the Solar Farms with no public money but need to be near the connections to the grid.

The National Grid with a waiting time of years for many to get a connection to and they need near a sub station with the capacity.

 

Same with the Charging hub,s planned even built and they can not get connected.

 

**Totally the wrong place for a solar farm and it is crazy the sites that are selected because of Grid Connection availability, 

it is the Grid that needs the HS2 money and more and with profits from Energy Transmission being in the Public purse not going abroad.**

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-67054731

 

Yesterday i heard someone on the radio discussing that Scotland has to take on hand expanding the Grid because as it is there is all the energy being generated and more and more coming available and the National Grid is what is stopping it being used and then there is the lack of storage for that electricity or use to produce green hydrogen.

http://insider.co.uk/news/scotland-can-lead-way-rewire-31168234

 

 

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by toot

I wonder what mean about a connection to the grid, they mean it has be close to generation plant or wind farm which already has a connection that these solar farms can onto? There are loads of solar farms in East Anglia but no visible connection point that I'm aware of. 

4 hours ago, toot said:

Yesterday i heard someone on the radio discussing that Scotland has to take on hand expanding the Grid because as it is there is all the energy being generated and more and more coming available and the National Grid is what is stopping it being used and then there is the lack of storage for that electricity or use to produce green hydrogen.

http://insider.co.uk/news/scotland-can-lead-way-rewire-31168234

It's about time energy suppliers start offering localised special tariffs. Octopus have the backend technology (Kraken) to give customers tariff that matches the renewable excess.

 

Combine that tariff with customers who can keep their cars plugged in to smart chargers to soak up those excess renewables. As I've been saying, EV batteries are part of renewable solution.

 

But for some reason, prices are similar between London (https://agileprices.co.uk/?region=C) and Scotland (https://agileprices.co.uk/?region=N). Hopefully with Scotland building connections to renewables themselves, and the pipeline to England not widened, those tariff become a reality for Scots.

 

 

I've been manipulating my Intelligent Octopus on/off switch to match when house use electricity the most. This way house consumption also counts at 7.5p/kWh. I'm currently facing the problem that I don't drive enough to get more cheap IO slots. 🤣

 

When parked, the car is still working for me to get cheap electricity. Soon Leaf will also function as my home battery. Parked EV's are brilliant resources.

 

 

Edit:

Not surprising stat from EV forum: 99% has private parking space.

https://www.speakev.com/threads/for-those-who-you-who-have-an-ev-do-you-rent-or-own-your-home.180652/

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by wyx087

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

I wonder what mean about a connection to the grid, they mean it has be close to generation plant or wind farm which already has a connection that these solar farms can onto? There are loads of solar farms in East Anglia but no visible connection point that I'm aware of. 

 I understand that Larks green in Bristol is the first to be "Grid" connected earlier this year.

 

https://www.nationalgrid.com/uks-first-transmission-connected-solar-farm-goes-live

 

"Until now, all of the UK’s solar farms have connected to the country's distribution networks – the lower voltage regional grids that carry power from the high-voltage transmission network to homes and businesses. Connecting solar power directly to National Grid's transmission network marks a significant step in the renewable energy transition, allowing clean energy to be transported over greater distances and opening a gateway for larger projects to connect to the grid."

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by Stonekeeper

What is equally important as generator cheap electricity from renewables is to supply it at the time it is needed/wanted.  So solar and wind farms need to increasingly look at battery storage themselves and not assume that the grid will buy their lecky at 10p per Kw at any time of the night or day.

 

Battery electricity storage modules is getting cheaper and cheaper so getting smart and selling it at the right times to make the most money is clearly the better business model.

 

I gather that some suppliers can get over a £1 a kWh at peak times.  I seem to recall Octopus was willing to pay me 2 or 3 quid for saving each kWh at those peak times and it was an opportunity to make a few quid. 

 

 It is unreasonable, in my view, to expect massive grid upgrades just to facilitate producers who spike production as the wind is just at the optimum level.  Hold it in batteries locally so it can be used when the wind dies down and it is needed more so and one might get a better price for it !

 

48 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 I understand that Larks green in Bristol is the first to be "Grid" connected earlier this year.

 

https://www.nationalgrid.com/uks-first-transmission-connected-solar-farm-goes-live

 

"Until now, all of the UK’s solar farms have connected to the country's distribution networks – the lower voltage regional grids that carry power from the high-voltage transmission network to homes and businesses. Connecting solar power directly to National Grid's transmission network marks a significant step in the renewable energy transition, allowing clean energy to be transported over greater distances and opening a gateway for larger projects to connect to the grid."

Oh, now I see what they are on about, however, every time you create a voltage change, there is some power loss, local distribution networks work at lower voltage than the National Grid so to connect to it, the voltage will need to go through a transformation stage to reach the grid voltage and that will incur some power losses.

1 hour ago, Stonekeeper said:

 I understand that Larks green in Bristol is the first to be "Grid" connected earlier this year.

 

https://www.nationalgrid.com/uks-first-transmission-connected-solar-farm-goes-live

 

"Until now, all of the UK’s solar farms have connected to the country's distribution networks – the lower voltage regional grids that carry power from the high-voltage transmission network to homes and businesses. Connecting solar power directly to National Grid's transmission network marks a significant step in the renewable energy transition, allowing clean energy to be transported over greater distances and opening a gateway for larger projects to connect to the grid."

 

I notice all those thousands of solar panel as you go South on the M5 as one crests the hill to drop down to the M4/M5 interchange. Logical site for it, half way between Thornbury and Yate.  50 MW and 70 GWh per year are impressive stats.  Well down South to get lots of the sun much of the year and it seems to be most on the southerly slope down to the Bristol area. Larks Green solar farm linked in to the Iron Acton substation and link to the National Grid, nice.

https://en-gb.topographic-map.com/map-v5h951/Iron-Acton/?center=51.5891%2C-2.51839

 

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by lol-lol

Octopus the cheeky barstewards are on about cheaper tariffs for those within a certain distance of new inshore and offshore turbines in England.      That is how it should be for those now, and backdated from the time they have been up.   As for Ofgen talking about more cost to customers to stop suppliers going bust.     They energy companies are sitting on people money into the billions.   Stuff those that pay covering those defaulting.    @Graham Butcher Substations.   Like at Tealing outside Dundee for the new wind field energy coming ashore at Carnoustie to be online with the one north of Aberdeen and the one to be built near Laurencekirk bringing energy from the Northeast south.  

PS.& Alyth Substation more Inland near new Windfarms 

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by toot

On 09/10/2023 at 13:10, wyx087 said:

Instead of dozen of posts guessing, read the manual in your glovebox? 

OK, it would appear that even with my son sitting in the rear of the car for around 10 minutes after the car had autolocked, (I still have not got the hang of leaving the keys in the car if people are staying in it), while I was in the vets with one of our cats, the alarm went off because he moved and then again when a little while later the sun came out, and he got rather warm, he opened the rear door by simply pulling on the lever in the normal fashion as I suspected it would. I think that it is like the MK2 model, to activate the deadbolts, there is a need to use the remote control and press the lock button, at which point the mirrors fold in.

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

Now while many of you will not to hear what this dude has to say about the Luton fire, I find it rather odd that he is like myself has grave reservations about diesel being the cause of this fire and seeing as this video has only just been placed on the internet today, and the fact that he is in Australia, but his thoughts are similar to mine with regard to the way that fire is burning as seen on the video that was shot from behind the car seems uncanny to me. But in the interests of trying to gain some insight into what may have caused this tragic incident, I suggest that it is worth a watch with an open mind and watch the clips and listen to what he is saying in-between some unnecessary padding in my view, he could have made the video shorter and got his message across.

 

There is a lot of common-sense advice that the authorities worldwide should be heeding and preparing themselves and us for. Take my advice if you watch it, start from around 1:15 in to avoid listening to his sponsorship deal.

 

 

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

The Truth of it is D1cK heads like the driver of this Tesla sitting plugged and locked in the only Rapid for 2 hours now that i have seen.

Not charging anymore.

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by toot

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Now while many of you will not to hear what this dude has to say about the Luton fire, I find it rather odd that he is like myself has grave reservations about diesel being the cause of this fire and seeing as this video has only just been placed on the internet today, and the fact that he is in Australia, but his thoughts are similar to mine with regard to the way that fire is burning as seen on the video that was shot from behind the car seems uncanny to me. But in the interests of trying to gain some insight into what may have caused this tragic incident, I suggest that it is worth a watch with an open mind and watch the clips and listen to what he is saying in-between some unnecessary padding in my view, he could have made the video shorter and got his message across.

 

There is a lot of common-sense advice that the authorities worldwide should be heeding and preparing themselves and us for. Take my advice if you watch it, start from around 1:15 in to avoid listening to his sponsorship deal.

It's a pure diesel vehicle. There is no lying or cover up. We have many layers of evidence in the public domain.

 

 Now that we've circled back, care to elaborate on your evidence on media being censored or punished?

On 10/10/2023 at 14:24, Graham Butcher said:

All the main stream media would not before dare to speak out for fear of being censored and punished, and we have indeed seen enough evidence of just that being done over the last few years.

 

6 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

It's a pure diesel vehicle. There is no lying or cover up. We have many layers of evidence in the public domain.

 

 Now that we've circled back, care to elaborate on your evidence on media being censored or punished?

 

Then how do you account for this extract from the ITVX news site.

 

Andrew Hopkinson, chief fire officer for Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service, said the fire at Luton Airport was thought to have started with a diesel vehicle.

“We don’t believe it was an electric vehicle,” he said.

“It’s believed to be diesel-powered, at this stage all subject to verification.

 

The same site also has this quote.

 

AA technical expert Greg Carter said the most common cause of car fires is an electrical fault with the 12-volt battery system.

He added that diesel is “much less flammable” than petrol, and in a car it takes “intense pressure or sustained flame” to ignite diesel.

 

The plain simple truth is that no one really knows at this stage what caused the fire, so why are we all ripping each other apart?

 

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

Today's update 13/10

 

"The investigation into the cause of the fire continues, but it has been determined that the vehicle that first caught fire was a diesel car. Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service’s fire investigation team will be working closely with Bedfordshire Police to get a better understanding of what happened on Tuesday evening, and why."

 

 

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/london-luton-airport-car-park-fire

 

 

 

18 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

 Now that we've circled back, care to elaborate on your evidence on media being censored or punished?

 

No I don't if you really don't know then where the hell have you been hiding for the last 4 years? Politics is not what this forum is about.

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

25 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

Today's update 13/10

 

"The investigation into the cause of the fire continues, but it has been determined that the vehicle that first caught fire was a diesel car. Bedfordshire Fire and Rescue Service’s fire investigation team will be working closely with Bedfordshire Police to get a better understanding of what happened on Tuesday evening, and why."

 

 

https://www.bedsfire.gov.uk/news/london-luton-airport-car-park-fire

 

Yes it might well have been a diesel car, but Range Rover did make a diesel hybrid car which had a 35KW electric motor and its battery was also, strangely enough, under the front passengers seat area, which is also where the fire seems to be coming from, so its still not crystal clear and further investigation will be required before the EV side of things can be 100% ruled out of contention. And the people who initially were trying to bash EV's by saying that was EV car on charge, are apparently out of luck as the chargers are supposed to in car park 1 and the hybrid RR is not a plug in either.

 

Range Rover Sport Hybrid Review - GreenCarGuide.co.uk

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

3 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes it might well have been a diesel car, but Range Rover did make a diesel hybrid car which had a 35KW electric motor and its battery was also strangely enough, under the front passengers seat area, which is also where the fire seems to be coming from, so its still not crystal clear and further investigation will be required before the EV side of things can be 100% ruled out of contention .

 

Range Rover Sport Hybrid Review - GreenCarGuide.co.uk

 

 

 

I would be surprised if three days after the event, with all the speculation about an ev element being involved, that the fire brigade would issue a statement saying it was determined to be diesel powered if it was actually a Diesel/hybrid?

 

Do you not think they would be accused of covering the fact up?

 

Would they take that gamble?

25 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

 

I would be surprised if three days after the event, with all the speculation about an ev element being involved, that the fire brigade would issue a statement saying it was determined to be diesel powered if it was actually a Diesel/hybrid?

 

Do you not think they would be accused of covering the fact up?

 

Would they take that gamble?

Well, for one thing, the fire brigade were not there when the online videos of the car on fire were taken, I think by their own admission when they ran through the time when the alarm call was received and then arriving at site was something like 10 minutes. Have you ever watched videos of any fire brigade arriving at a fire, they first of get the hoses etc out and get suited etc to deal with the issue. They also to get to I think it was the 3rd floor which had to be on foot, no fire engine could get in the car park due to the low ceiling height etc. So with that kind of delay it is doubtful that there would be any identifying marks on the car left. Even if the body shell was intact, there is no charge door as the hybrid does not plug in, so externally it looks like any other diesel/petrol Range Rover. If the number plate quoted on Twitter (X) was correct, and they punched that number into the DVLA (assuming someone gave them the plate details), then as you can see, it came back as a diesel, it also stated 2014 date of first registration, but it had a V5C issued in Dec 2022, So was it a change of ownership, or was a change of plate for personal reasons? Or indeed, were the plate details even correct, at this stage it is still to be confirmed.

 

Now I have not ever even suggested a cover-up, I'm merely looking at the evidence based on what I could see in the videos that were taken on people phones and based on that and that alone, it tends to suggest the flames were being subjected to a pressure source, and it is known the li-on batteries do burn in that fashion and the location of the fire is right where such a battery would be located on a hybrid from that maker.

 

Also, don't forget that the Citroen was a pure EV, but DVLA still show it on their records as being petrol. It is not a perfect world and mistakes do happen, so if the same thing is happening with RR then the fire brigade are just going on what the DVLA show it as being listed as, so not a cover-up at all.

Edited 13 October, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

Oops, just watching the latest video from The Electric Viking where he is discussing the Luton Airport Fire and he used this footage of fire brigades tackling the fire WTF 😁

 

 

OK, if anyone is interested what happened next with that £7,000 Tesla that appeared to be needing a new £17,000 high voltage pack, here is the answer:- enjoy.

 

 

Taycan man tests a Tesla, thoughts?

 

 

On 13/10/2023 at 20:57, Graham Butcher said:

No I don't if you really don't know then where the hell have you been hiding for the last 4 years? Politics is not what this forum is about.

Now  you are refusing to give evidence you've previously referred. Me thinks everything you say is unreliable and have a hidden agenda. At least Geoff's motive is clear: views.

 

Why else would you keep harping on about the 2014 Range Rover diesel fire at Luton airport and coming up with multiple justifications for Li-on battery fire?

 

 

23 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Now I have not ever even suggested a cover-up, I'm merely looking at the evidence based on what I could see in the videos that were taken on people phones and based on that and that alone, it tends to suggest the flames were being subjected to a pressure source, and it is known the li-on batteries do burn in that fashion and the location of the fire is right where such a battery would be located on a hybrid from that maker.

You really think people will convert a 2014 range rover to electric, when there's much better and cheaper IPace out there?

 

You looked at evidence and overnight, you became an expert in how stuff burns? Flames were being subjected to a pressure source..... hum, I wonder if diesel cars have a high pressure fuel line......

 

Your bias is so blind, you would come up with ANY theory as long as it is against EV's. The location of hybrid battery are under the floor. NOT in engine bay:

https://www.landrover.com/landrovermagazine/hybrid-evoque-so-what-mhev

 

 

RE swapping Taycan to Tesla. I'm sure he will find the busiest supercharger at busiest times to get his SHOCKING view stats. In case he needs some support, South Mimms is usually quite busy.

 

 

Edited 14 October, 20232 yr by wyx087